Monarch Control Deck

[~ Chidori-Kun]

well here is my monarch control deck.

 

monsters(21)

 

x2 Raiza the Storm Monarch

x2 Mobius the Frost Monarch

Zaborg the Thunder Monarch

Jinzo

x3 Mystic Tomatoe

x3 Hydrogedon

Marshmallon

Spirit Reaper

Sangan

Snipe Hunter

D.D. Warrior Lady

Breaker the Magical Warrior

Magician of Faith

Treeborn Frog

Exiled Force

 

Spells (11)

 

Enemy Controler

Shield Crush

Lightning Vortex

Heavy Storm

Brain Control

Swords of Revealing Light

x2 Pot of Avarice

Giant Trunade

Mystical Space Typhoon

Double Summon

 

Traps (8)

 

Torrential Tribute

Dimmensional Prison

Botomless Trap Hole

Karma Cut

Call of the Haunted

Mirror Force

Magic Cylinder

Sakuretsu Armor

[CrabHelmet]

Less than 3 Raiza?

Mobius in main deck?

 

I'm afraid those are rarely good choices in a Monarch deck. In fact, they're on this list:

 

[spoiler=The List of Instant Fails V1.01]

In General:

 

Vanilla/Normal monsters (outside of dedicated decks)

Lack of Staples (unless you have a VERY good reason not to run them)

Reload (unless the deck's specific goal makes it significantly more useful)

Magical Mallet (see Reload)

Tribute to the Doomed (especially over Smashing Ground/Fissure/Lightning Vortex)

Lack of theme (also known as "Holy Pile of Random, Batman!")

Mixing incompatible decktypes (LADD and Six Samurai, Perfect Circle and Macro, E-Heroes and Neos, etc)

 

With Monarchs:

 

Lack of Raiza

Lack of both Zaborg and Thestalos (replace Zaborg with Caius after his release)

Mobius in main deck (belongs in side)

Granmarg

Lack of Treeborn Frog (unless Macro)

Less than 3 D.D. Survivor (if Macro)

 

With Perfect Circle Monarchs:

 

All applicable general Monarch instant fails

Lack of Destiny Hero - Disk Commanger

Less than 2 Destiny Hero - Malicious

Lack of Premature Burial

Lack of Call of the Haunted

Lack of Destiny Hero - Fear Monger

3 Destiny Hero - Fear Monger

Less than 2 Destiny Draw

Lack of Elemental Hero Stratos

Lack of Reinforcement of the Army

Lack of Phoenix Wing Wind Blast

Lack of Foolish Burial

 

With Gem Beasts:

 

Rainbow Dragon

Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder

Cobalt Eagle

Emerald Tortoise

Less than 3 Rare Value

More than 2 Traps

Lack of Abundance

Lack of Summon Priest

Less than 3 Sapphire Pegasus

Amethyst Cat without Rescue Cat

Promise over Beacon/Blessing

Lack of Rainbow Ruins

Continuous Spells

Equip Spells (other than Prem and Release)

Destiny Board

 

With Fusion-based Elemental Heroes:

 

Polymerization

Any Vanilla that isn't named Sparkman or Clayman

Clayman in the absence of Giant Rat

Any E-Hero that requires a tribute (Malicious Edge is permissible)

Lack of Stratos

Fusion Gate

Lack of Wildheart

Lack of Cyber Dragons

Lack of The Light - Hex-Sealed Fusion

Lack of Miracle Fusion

Lack of Dark Calling

 

With Big City:

 

Lack of Stratos

Lack of Ocean

Lack of Wildheart

Any E-Hero other than Stratos/Ocean/Wildheart

More than 10 monsters

Lack of Skyscraper 2

Lack of R-Righteous Justice

 

With Neos:

 

Running a Neos deck

Lack of O-Oversoul

Lack of Neos Alius

NEX

 

With Chimeratech OTK:

 

Less than 3 Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon

Less than 3 Metalzoa

Less than 3 Trade-In

Less than 3 Reasoning

Less than 3 Monster Gate

Less than 3 Cyber Dragon

Lack of Dark Magician of Chaos

Lack of Overload Fusion

Lack of Card Destruction

Morphing Jar

 

With Zombies:

 

Lack of Zombie Master

Macro Cosmos

Dimensional Fissure

Banisher of the Radiance

Banisher of the Light

 

With Dark World:

 

The Cheerful Coffin

Reign-Beaux, Overlord of Dark World

 

With Standard Six Samurai:

 

Less than 3 Grandmaster of the Six Samurai

Less than 2 Great Shogun Shien

The Six Samurai - Yariza

Not having exactly 1 The Six Samurai - Kamon

Less than 3 Reasoning

Less than 3 Cunning of the Six Samurai

Less than 2 Reinforcement of the Army

Less than 3 Solemn Judgment

Lack of Cyber Dragon

Lack of The Six Samurai - Zanji

Lack of The Six Samurai - Irou

Lack of The Six Samurai - Yaichi

Tribute-requiring monsters (ones with self-Special Summoning effects notwithstanding)

 

 

 

 

You'll find that main-decking Mobius is generally a bad idea, as is running less than three Raiza. Replace the 2 Mobius with 1 Raiza and either 1 Zaborg or 1 Thestalos.

 

I'm also not too keen on only running 5 Monarchs, especially since you have Treeborn Frog, Hydrogeddon, Brain Control, and Double Summon to provide masses of tributes. I know you can recycle them with 2 Pot of Avarice, but I'm still not too fond of it. Also, Swords of Revealing Light seems...kind of random here.

 

Also, I don't like 3 Mystic Tomato at all when you only have three other monsters it can search out.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Things used to be a lot different. The way I see it, the top monarchs used to be Mobius and Zaborg. And nobody really debated that. How could things have changed so much? xP

 

Anyway... Three tomato is too much. He's supposed to be a searcher, not a wall as much.

[CrabHelmet]

Things used to be a lot different. The way I see it' date=' the top monarchs used to be Mobius and Zaborg. And nobody really debated that. How could things have changed so much? xP

[/quote']

 

The meta changed a lot. Spin became the most powerful effect. Zaborg is still near the top, but no longer the best; when Caius comes out, Zaborg will officially be dead. Chainables are run too much now, which is why Mobius is now side deck material instead of main deck material.

 

It's kind of surprising when you think about it. Things have changed so much that destroying two cards at once is no longer worthwhile, while removing one card for a single turn has become extremely advantageous. It's like everything turned around in the opposite direction.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Things used to be a lot different. The way I see it' date=' the top monarchs used to be Mobius and Zaborg. And nobody really debated that. How could things have changed so much? xP

[/quote']

 

The meta changed a lot. Spin became the most powerful effect. Zaborg is still near the top, but no longer the best; when Caius comes out, Zaborg will officially be dead. Chainables are run too much now, which is why Mobius is now side deck material instead of main deck material.

 

It's kind of surprising when you think about it. Things have changed so much that destroying two cards at once is no longer worthwhile, while removing one card for a single turn has become extremely advantageous. It's like everything turned around in the opposite direction.

Indeed it has.. And we went from 1500 ATK in a level 4 normal monster being awesome, to the norm being 1900 or 2000 over time. Nowadays, if a card has 1500 ATK or less is better have a VERY good effect.

 

Caius is obviously a good card though. He's stronger than most the other monarchs in that he card target any card on the field, and has a chance of damaging your opponent's life as well.

(( I actually wrote an article online once about Caius ))

[RikotheFoxKid]

mm... I see no problem with mobius. sure, there are loads of cards that can be chained to, but there are also cards like sakuretsu, mirror force, and dimensional prison.

[CrabHelmet]

mm... I see no problem with mobius. sure' date=' there are loads of cards that can be chained to, but there are also cards like sakuretsu, mirror force, and dimensional prison.

[/quote']

 

Mobius has been side deck material for a long time now.

[Abstract [Atrocity]]

You shouldn't tell him to get 3 raiza, since it'll be 1 in 5 days.

 

Mobius is OK if you have nothing (at ALL) to replace him with.

 

Take out a tomato, Karma Kut, 1 Pot of Av, and in a couple days Breaker and MoF.

 

I'd don't know what else to suggest, just use more staples.

[legolover09]

put in mr

[tjmartians]

-1 Raiza

+1 Mobius

+1 Caius (When it comes out)

+1 Emporer Order (when it comes out)

[JesusofChaos™]

-1 karma cut

-1 pot of avarice

- MOF

-Breaker

-1 Raiza

-1 Sak Armour

 

+2 Dimensional Prison

+2 Zaborg

+2 Theslatos (until Casius comes out)

[tonisanoob]

3 caius

2 thesty

raiza

2 mobius (chainable or not, ity gets rid of the could that ber a mirror force thing ykno?)

[CrabHelmet]

3 caius

2 thesty

raiza

2 mobius (chainable or not' date=' ity gets rid of the could that ber a mirror force thing ykno?)

[/quote']

 

No. Mobius is bad because Mirror Force is the ONLY thing that he can usually hit; no other non-chainables are widely run. His place is in the side deck.

[RikotheFoxKid]

3 caius

2 thesty

raiza

2 mobius (chainable or not' date=' ity gets rid of the could that ber a mirror force thing ykno?)

[/quote']

 

No. Mobius is bad because Mirror Force is the ONLY thing that he can usually hit; no other non-chainables are widely run. His place is in the side deck.

 

I beg to differ. I know a lot of people who run Sakuretsu and Magic Cylinder. This could be because they don't have Mirror Force, but I've also seen a lot of Decks on forums like Xerocreative and TCGPlayer that use those cards.

[CrabHelmet]

3 caius

2 thesty

raiza

2 mobius (chainable or not' date=' ity gets rid of the could that ber a mirror force thing ykno?)

[/quote']

 

No. Mobius is bad because Mirror Force is the ONLY thing that he can usually hit; no other non-chainables are widely run. His place is in the side deck.

 

I beg to differ. I know a lot of people who run Sakuretsu and Magic Cylinder. This could be because they don't have Mirror Force, but I've also seen a lot of Decks on forums like Xerocreative and TCGPlayer that use those cards.

 

Magic Cylinder is never run outside of Burn decks (by good players, at least). And Burn is one of the decktypes against which Mobius should be sided in.

 

Sakuretsu Armour isn't terrible, but there are almost always better options available. Its lack of chainability is one of the reasons it isn't run much. Decktypes that can properly use it tend to have a more heavy reliance on non-chainables than most competitive decks, which is again why Mobius is in the side deck.

 

Most good decks will only run Mirror Force. Only a few can use Cylinder/Saku and still be good, which is why Mobius is sided instead of mained.

[RikotheFoxKid]

Ok, that's a good point, but I would still see it as useful if you have no other card that can fit, or if you're some person who has very little of the metagame's popular cards because two years ago someone stole a tin full of your best cards (in other words, me :/)

[CrabHelmet]

So you're saying it's relatively good if you don't have anything better. >_> Doesn't that describe every card in the game?

[RikotheFoxKid]

...not EVERY card... but basically, I see where this is going, so I'll stop here.

[baritone_rob05]

He will not be able to run that deck in a tournament for much longer. The advanced Deck list is being updated and will be going into effect March 1st. here is a link:

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/gameplay/forbidden/advanced_current_new.aspx

 

i hope this helps.

[RikotheFoxKid]

We already knew that, baritone.

 

I'll let it slide this time since your a new member.