Understanding the Copyright Problem

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Technically isn't this site infringing upon the copyright of Konami and Kazuki Takahashi by using the same template for Yu-Gi-Oh! cards and using their text?

[NP Sage]

That we are but unlike the DA folks they know that if people like what they have it will be copied. common sense the japenese have. America has allowed morons to breed for too long. STERILIZE THEM FOR CHRISTS SAKE!

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Technically I believe though that for using a copyright for nonprofit only results in a Cease and Desist, and then further action if you continue. Unlike using it to make profit, which I believe is punishable by millions of dollars in fines and jail time.

 

But I'm not sure, because I'm not a lawyer. And it doesn't seem to me like Konami should care if we make cards like this for fun. They'd probably just make us change the template to say that this is not their work.

[Jocarra]

If you can't feed yourself' date=' you die and thus fewer stupid genes get passed down. This is a good thing.[/b']

 

As a biology graduate, I have to say that this is not a very good illustration of "evolution understood" - there is something severely wrong with social Darwinism as a theory, and it's mostly to do with the fact (as opposed to theory) that human survival success rates and reproductive success are not at all correlated with intelligence or mental fitness, which throws natural selection pretty much out the window.

 

Nice try, but you're standing on a nonexistent ground there.

 

On the other hand, if you had instead said something about social fitness or "streetwise-ness," you may be correct. However, there's something to be said about social "survival of the fitness" and that is, just as it is in nature, it can be not very nice.

 

What's wrong with not being very nice? The problem is that humans can do a hell of a lot of damage, because there's a lot more tied to human action than there is to animal action. Theft in human society has greater effect than theft in animal society, and in more facets. That means, a "bad action" can have multiple and severe repercussions, which in general undermines the stability of human society, which can spell disaster for the surrounding environment, from a local to global scale.

 

Social Darwinism is a very flawed perspective based on a faulty "theory" that sacrifices long-term foresight and broader consideration for short-term selfishness and personal gain. In other words, it's something people use as an excuse to the detriment of society. It's not something one should found his life's philosophy on - not saying you are, necessarily, but just saying.

 

On the other hand, I think you expressed your point quite poignantly: theft is generally the victim's fault, ie. it was in some way preventable and therefore to that extent, the victim is responsible. However, that does not discount the responsibility of the perpetrator - again, it's just an excuse to be selfish.

 

Definitely, the artist who posts his artwork all over the internet without watermarking should not put all blame on the thief, as better precautions should have been taken, and refusing to take responsibility for lack of foresight is poor conduct. However, if an unwatermarked piece is stolen, that doesn't mean justice has somehow been served - a wrong is still a wrong.

[NP Sage]

If you can't feed yourself' date=' you die and thus fewer stupid genes get passed down. This is a good thing.[/b']

 

As a biology graduate, I have to say that this is not a very good illustration of "evolution understood" - there is something severely wrong with social Darwinism as a theory, and it's mostly to do with the fact (as opposed to theory) that human survival success rates and reproductive success are not at all correlated with intelligence or mental fitness, which throws natural selection pretty much out the window.

 

Nice try, but you're standing on a nonexistent ground there.

 

On the other hand, if you had instead said something about social fitness or "streetwise-ness," you may be correct. However, there's something to be said about social "survival of the fitness" and that is, just as it is in nature, it can be not very nice.

 

I think evolution is BS. I'm just saying if an idiot has a kid he going to grow up being taught to be an idiot. Trust me rural community not many outside sources, stupid breeds stupid. I live it.

 

 

What's wrong with not being very nice? The problem is that humans can do a hell of a lot of damage, because there's a lot more tied to human action than there is to animal action. Theft in human society has greater effect than theft in animal society, and in more facets. That means, a "bad action" can have multiple and severe repercussions, which in general undermines the stability of human society, which can spell disaster for the surrounding environment, from a local to global scale.

 

The problem with being nice? Think about it. How fast has technology advanced scence we stopped caring. When things can be done without fear of stepping on someones toes things go faster.

 

Social Darwinism is a very flawed perspective based on a faulty "theory" that sacrifices long-term foresight and broader consideration for short-term selfishness and personal gain. In other words, it's something people use as an excuse to the detriment of society. It's not something one should found his life's philosophy on - not saying you are, necessarily, but just saying.

 

Damn Static and Gist and Sart and whats the other guy? Are going to be ticked at you.

 

On the other hand, I think you expressed your point quite poignantly: theft is generally the victim's fault, ie. it was in some way preventable and therefore to that extent, the victim is responsible. However, that does not discount the responsibility of the perpetrator - again, it's just an excuse to be selfish.

Hey the smart are the ones with the nice things. Selfishness is not a bad trait. It founded this country.

 

Definitely, the artist who posts his artwork all over the internet without watermarking should not put all blame on the thief, as better precautions should have been taken, and refusing to take responsibility for lack of foresight is poor conduct. However, if an unwatermarked piece is stolen, that doesn't mean justice has somehow been served - a wrong is still a wrong.

And the artist will learn.

[Jocarra]

I think evolution is BS. I'm just saying if an idiot has a kid he going to grow up being taught to be an idiot. Trust me rural community not many outside sources' date=' stupid breeds stupid. I live it.[/b']

 

If you think evolution is BS, then why are you using an argument based on the theory of evolution? If you believe in the influence of genetics, then you have to believe that change in genetype will lead to possible changes in phenotype on an individual and eventually population and then species-wide level. This is what evolution is.

 

Yes, stupid generally breeds stupid, but it only partly has to do with genetics - it has a LOT to do with associative learning, socialization, and local culture. Genetically, a "stupid" person may be very capable of being very intelligent, but that intelligence must be fostered by a good environment.

 

The problem with being nice? Think about it. How fast has technology advanced scence we stopped caring. When things can be done without fear of stepping on someones toes things go faster.

 

Is that necessarily a good thing? Local and global environments have been pushed out of balance and changed faster than nature can adapt. These are bad things' date=' and they are due to technology. Of course, I am as hypocritical as you in that we all are using technology right now, which in Western culture is an integral part that is often taken for granted.

 

Technological advances are not inherently good or bad. They have provided us with convenience, but at the cost of the environment which sustains us. Creatures that don't take care of their environment, and consume/destroy their environment are eventually wiped out, and this is what we're heading for. So, unless humans stop being as selfish (which I don't see happening on a global scale), this IS what is going to happen. No habitat can sustain exponentially increasing populations indefinitely. Ever.

 

Damn Static and Gist and Sart and whats the other guy? Are going to be ticked at you.

 

Who are you talking about, and what did they believe, and as such, why would they be ticked at me?

 

Hey the smart are the ones with the nice things. Selfishness is not a bad trait. It founded this country.

 

Selfishness' date=' again, isn't inherently bad, either. It's part of life, integrally. However, this kind of selfishness works to benefit individuals only, and almost never benefits populations or groups.

 

Also, the fact that the country was founded on some principle doesn't inherently make it good. Australia's modern culture was founded largely on convicts - does that make being a convict cool?

 

Intelligence has zero correlation with wealth.

 

And the artist will learn.

 

A good end does not always justify a bad mean, especially when used to excuse bad behaviour. People do not steal out of the goodness of their hearts - they steal out of selfishness, not to teach people a lesson and make people wiser. They use that as an excuse, and a poor one at that.

[Tiberas]

Honestly Sage, you're balant racism and disregard of human rights really pisses me off. And I'm one of those people called the Japanese who apparently have more common sense.

 

Let me tell you why -Insert YuGiOh production company here- hasn't sued you for using their characters...as many of the other animes.

 

 

1) this is fanwork. It is specifically dedicated to them. If you used my art to say, make something dedicated to me, I probably wouldn't be as pissed.

 

2) Money. It isn't worth it at all for them to sue you for money. They're making more money than they are 'losing' to you, if at all. No offense, but no one will buy these cards and neither would it be legal for you to sell these cards for profit.

 

 

And I would also like you to know about this epidemic that's been going on ever since art theft became a trend on the internet.

 

GOOD ARTISTS are DISAPPEARING from the FACE OF THE INTERNET ONE BY ONE because of JERKS who WHINE when they get told to stop SCREWING with the ARTISTS' CAREER.

 

Maybe instead of the fact you may obtain an official record on your person for doing something ILLEGAL, you should think about how one day your FAVORITE artist will soon be GONE FOREVER because of YOU.

 

 

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[Jocarra]

Honestly Sage' date=' you're balant racism and disregard of human rights really pisses me off.

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*chuckles* That's definitely one way to put it.

 

Something of note: if you, Sage, are so frustrated with your community full of "stupid" people, I don't think promoting selfishness is the way to go to solve that. The kind of selfishness you seem to promote (disregard for others in the name of "progress" and personal gain) very rarely, if ever, promotes or facilitates ideals that actually require work and effort, such as "intelligence," so you're really only encouraging things to get worse.

[Axiom_Nor]

Thanks!

I never really make cards anymore though... but now we have 1 more reason to hate noobs who don't read rules!

 

lol

[Jennifer]

Oh boy, NP Sage- you made me say it. This is why we can't have nice things.

 

Yeah, if there's a bike without a lock, it's probably gonna be stolen. That's the sad state of things. Should it be stolen? No. I think it's pretty universal that 'stealing is wrong'. It still happens, yeah.. that's reality. But justifying that someone is in the wrong because they were stolen from is totally arbitrary. You can justify any crime if you find a way to place blame on the victim.

 

For the record, I put blatant copyrights (text and a logo) on my works yet they are routinely stolen.

 

The point is- what can it hurt to be respectful of someone else's property? They probably worked hard for it, and there is no need to steal if there are alternative means. I for one respect that you and others wish to continue doing your cards, and that's cool. Which is why I made suggestions on a way to do this while still respecting artists. Why is that such a hard concept? :/

[Jennifer]

Sure! What specifically would you like me to site?

 

I just meant' date=' it'd be helpful for each bolded "rule" you've outlined to include official citations of where it's covered in actual copyright law. Like referring to a clause in a website's terms of service, including the URL and where I got the quote from.

 

It's not really required, but I think it definitely makes for a more solid argument. "According to copyright, you can't do this. Here's exactly where it says it: (quote and citation)" It's so people can look up and verify that what you're saying is correct.

 

It's not that I'm doubting you or anything. I'm just curious as to the actual official laws. It can be difficult to sort through legal stuff, as I'm sure we all know, and it helps to have key bits pointed out.

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Makes sense to me! I went back and edited some sources in. If you'd like I've got more. :) I didn't want to bombard the post, hehe. :)

[NP Sage]

Ok I've calmed down and have thought about it.

 

Forcing them to get permission is one thing asking them to cite is another.

I'm going to lay it flat. Yugioh is dying they have run out of good ideas. Soon no body is going to care about this once was great game. Some artist aren't going to want to be associated with it. So asking for permission is good. Forcing it is not. When you cite written works do need to ask? no you simply list where you got it. Leaving a link to that artist is good. It brings them more traffic.

 

Oh and so you know I've been having a really shitty month so if I've ticked you of in scence Feb 1st Sorry.

[Jocarra]

Leaving a link to that artist is good. It brings them more traffic.

 

Precisely. This is why I tend not to mind if people use my artwork for nonprofit without asking IF they link back to me - then we both profit. The only time I really care is if people don't credit me. Then the person gets the art' date=' and I don't get anything.

 

Oh and so you know I've been having a really shitty month so if I've ticked you of in scence Feb 1st Sorry.

 

That sucks, no worries.

[Cyber Altair]

well guys you can stop arguying now it's enought.

[NP Sage]

Leaving a link to that artist is good. It brings them more traffic.

 

Precisely. This is why I tend not to mind if people use my artwork for nonprofit without asking IF they link back to me - then we both profit. The only time I really care is if people don't credit me. Then the person gets the art' date=' and I don't get anything.

 

Oh and so you know I've been having a really shitty month so if I've ticked you of in scence Feb 1st Sorry.

 

That sucks, no worries.

 

tell me about it. I am waiting for march, it had better be less suckish.

[Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer]

This has immediately halted my card making permanently. Thanks a lot. :(

[J-Max]

This Thread may have had a 7 Month or so Bump but it brings up some Valid Points. It makes me panic a little to be honest.

[Wyhe]

good thread to talk about copyright, I expected a mod to do this,but I could be wrong

 

Hope this can lead people to understand more on crediting others' pics