Flame Dragon Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 [img]http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/isd/iceyu12sbr_en.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 ...THIS IS CRAZY! First effect is pretty double-edged, but you can still abuse the hell out of it in your own favor Second is a bit like Geth's Verdict...never liked the idea of giving my opponent a choice. But it doesn't target, so gets around Hexproof and Shroud Ultimate effect...man. It's just insane. And CMC 3 to make it better Liliana, I love you :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 It is funny how hit and miss this card seems to be. My one friend this is is crappy, I think it good, and you clearly love it. In the magic forum I saw a similar ranger of excitement for her. Personally like the +1 for my main commander deck, and a second I'm working on. However in normal games, while she can help your grave based strategy she also helps the opponents, especially with this being a graveyard themed set. -2 is good, can't really so much side from giving them the choice is kind of sucks. Still, in control mirrors or aggro decks I see it being useful. -6 is great, just a bit slow to hit and imo, she is a little hard to keep alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niv-Mizzet Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Assuming you could get to the -6, she is evil. Unfortunately, that looks a little hard in Constructed. Still, fun for MBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1314785550' post='5481322'] It is funny how hit and miss this card seems to be. My one friend this is is crappy, I think it good, and you clearly love it. In the magic forum I saw a similar ranger of excitement for her. [/quote] Yeah, opinions on her are REALLY varied. [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1314785550' post='5481322'] Personally like the +1 for my main commander deck, and a second I'm working on. However in normal games, while she can help your grave based strategy she also helps the opponents, especially with this being a graveyard themed set. -2 is good, can't really so much side from giving them the choice is kind of sucks. Still, in control mirrors or aggro decks I see it being useful. -6 is great, just a bit slow to hit and imo, she is a little hard to keep alive. [/quote] Well, using her -1 at a right time might really screw your opponent over. Plus, you can always use stuff like Distress to take a look at their hand and get to know if you can use her -1 safely or not. It requires some effort to use correctly, but it can be amazing if done right. Plus, seeing as she has synergy with Sun Titan, being CMC 3, they could work in one deck pretty good IMO. You can discard something and later make it come back with Titan. Plus it fuels Grave for Wrath of Geists, Boneyard Wurm and lots of other stuff. Yeah, I dislike the idea of letting my opponent choose as well. But it gets around Hexproof and Shroud, so it's not that bad. -6 is a bit slow, yes, but is pretty devastating. Seperate lands and all other permanents. Opponent either keeps the filed and all cards in their hand become dead, or give up field in favor of being able to play more stuff. Also, -1 and -6 interract pretty nicely IMO. The -1 forces your opponent to get good stuff on field ASAP so that they don't have to discard it, and -6 punishes them for doing so. Also, last effect might be pretty nuts in non-Standard formats, with It That Betrays. Plus...there's always Proliferate to speed it up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niv-Mizzet Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Fact or FIction is fun. This is even more fun, but probably a no-go in Commander. Ah, well, you can't have everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Only seems good if you control Doubling Season when this enters the battlefield. Otherwise... The +1 hurts any player who isn't running a Graveyard-based deck. However, everyone this block will be playing a graveyard-based deck, so.... The -2 is alright. You'll never get to the -6 unless you play Doubling Season and then this. Even so, if they only need one specific permanent to win or a certain amount of lands, chances are they'll still get to keep it. In my review, it's junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 It is stupidly easy to get her to 6 Turn 1: Swamp, Despise Turn 2: Land, Contagion Clasp, kill any 1/1 creature if Any Turn 3: Swamp, Liliana, +1 Both Players discards, she gets to 4 LC Turn 4: Land, +1 Both Players discards, she gets to 5 LC, Contagion Clasp proliferates, she gets to 6 LC Ablities do simple Stuff: First One is [url="http://magiccards.info/pch/en/39.html"]Rotting Rats[/url] Second is [url="http://magiccards.info/tr/en/57.html"]Chainer's Edict[/url] Ultimate is [url="http://magiccards.info/in/en/102.html"]Do or Die[/url] except you can choose to separate his lands from his permanents and let him choose which side to keep... also with 3 CMC I just want: DARK RITUAL REPRINT FTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｕｐｐｒｅｓｓｉｏｎ ＰＬＵＴＯ' timestamp='1314798564' post='5481459'] It is stupidly easy to get her to 6 Turn 1: Swamp, Despise Turn 2: Land, Contagion Clasp, kill any 1/1 creature if Any Turn 3: Swamp, Liliana, +1 Both Players discards, she gets to 4 LC Turn 4: Land, +1 Both Players discards, she gets to 5 LC, Contagion Clasp proliferates, she gets to 6 LC [/quote] ^this guise, this^ [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｕｐｐｒｅｓｓｉｏｎ ＰＬＵＴＯ' timestamp='1314798564' post='5481459'] also with 3 CMC I just want: DARK RITUAL REPRINT FTL [/quote] Same, but I doubt it will happen. Although Turn 1 Liliana could be a big handicap for opponent :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niv-Mizzet Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Didn't think of Contagion tech. *runs off to build TwoPiles.dek* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 So I made an experimental deck with her, and I must say, it worked pretty well. Still needs some tweaking, but still. Discarding a Vengeful Pharaoh is funny :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 [quote name='Noel Vermillion' timestamp='1314827082' post='5482170'] So I made an experimental deck with her, and I must say, it worked pretty well. Still needs some tweaking, but still. Discarding a Vengeful Pharaoh is funny :3 [/quote] :3 Liliana basically has her own deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1314827214' post='5482180'] :3 Liliana basically has her own deck. [/quote] Dump s*** to Grave -> Reanimate Make them sack something -> Reanimate Half-nuke -> Renimate Gruesome Encore is fun :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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