Guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Mynt, that sounds like an awesome idea! i know several people on this site have DA accounts (including myself) so it really wouldn't be that hard to do what you're thinking. the mods/ambassadors from this site could also link to the thread with the DA account in their sigs, or something, to make it easier to find. just a thought.... hope the higher-ups approve of everything soon so we can start making good on our promises to the DA artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I like those banners Brow, altho yellow is shockingly bright I have posted a large entry on Jocarra's journal explaining the current new solutions, in hope the DA members like stop flaming. thank you Mynt, its a great idea and im sure it may work ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 the idea is very good, and most people on DA are acting matuare about it, nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I like those banners Brow' date=' altho yellow is shockingly bright[/quote'] yeah, i know yellow is bright, but i figured it should stand out from the rest of the banners on this site so that DA artists know where to go. feel free to edit it if you can make a better one ^_^ P.S. to me, the green looks brighter than the yellow, though maybe it's just this monitor :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaden Yuki Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 i agree this will slow down the card making but if its the price of peace i agree a 100% and if they agree on the idea that we put the name and the link to his art on the thread it would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SebastiaanZ Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I am willing to help out whatever I can. However, I see one tiny problem (and it has probably been mentioned before, I just scrolled through this thread). What about the members of YCM that get pictures via-via, not through DA and it turns out those pictures are from DA, but the member who used them, didn't know they were from DA? I think you got some excellent ideas to keep an eye on this and I am seriously about wanting to help in any way I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I am willing to help out whatever I can. However' date=' I see one tiny problem (and it has probably been mentioned before, I just scrolled through this thread). What about the members of YCM that get pictures via-via, not through DA and it turns out those pictures are from DA, but the member who used them, didn't know they were from DA? I think you got some excellent ideas to keep an eye on this and I am seriously about wanting to help in any way I can.[/quote'] That is simple. You remove it and provide a link to where you found the image, so the DA ppl can tell them to take it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kocrow17 Posted February 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I want to thanks everyone for contributing so far. browarod, thanks for the mini-banners. I will be adding the Ambassador one to my sig momentarilly. I appreciate the work you're doing. Masterspeman, it’s plausible deniability (SP?). You can honestly say you did not know and you can fix the prob. I will be drawing up the official Custom Card Rules and posting them here before making the official thread. I'll also look into the stamp idea further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Hello! I posted a thread over here, in which I try to explain the copyright thing a little better. I'm not a lawyer, but I am experienced:http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/showthread.php?tid=27681 That said, I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding here. From what I'm seeing, it seems as if the general feeling that's coming up is "Taking from Deviantart without asking is now a problem". The truth is, taking the art from anywhere without permission is actually a problem. This is a giant pain in the rear, especially with places like Photobucket. Photobucket is loaded with art and I know it's very easy to use and take art from there for your cards. The really crazy thing is that over 80% of the art on Photobucket is stolen/put there without permission. Which really sucks, because unless there is copyright text on the image itself, you can't tell where the heck it's from or even who to ask if you wanted to. This sucks not only for you, but the artist too. It's definitely a lose-lose kind of situation. There is actually an artist petition out against Photobucket right now with over 6,000 signatures on it trying to get Photobucket to respect artist's rights. There are a few things you can do to try and avoid problems like this. You can do a google image search. This works well most of the time because google links you to the website that the art is from, originally. This is a sweet deal because most websites will have an email address where you can simply email the owner and ask permission. Additionally you can look for individual artists. Okay, for example, you want to make some dragon cards. Search for "Dragon artist" on google and you'll get some websites. You can then ask those artists via their website if it's cool to use their art or not. Even better- you can make a thread here that says "Hey, the following websites are cool with it if we use their art for cards:" and list them. You can't go wrong and that way not every member will have to ask permission! :) Imagine having a list of lots of websites in all categories.... monsters, dragons, anime, etc, where you have permission. Then any member can see that they are allowed to use that art and have fun, and it won't slow down the card making. It's a win-win! I know some of you are mad about artists coming here and causing a scene. Honestly I can't blame you... it's always annoying when anyone causes a scene! But at the same time you have to understand that they are allowed, legally, to ask that their art be removed (even if someone is a jerk about it). Yeah, you can definitely ban them. You can stick your head in the sand and ignore them and then they can't bother you here on the board. And by no means am I condoning aggressive or rude behavior. But, the thing is, the law is on their side and if you don't remove their individual artworks at their request, they can make life a lot more miserable for you by going to the admin, or the server host for this site, or your ISP. :( Which trust me, no one wants. I'm an artist and I don't want you guys shut down... I know you are having fun here! :) I hope together we can make a compromise that makes things legal and respectful, but still allows you to make your cards with no problems. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SebastiaanZ Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Masterspeman' date=' it’s plausible deniability (SP?). You can honestly say you did not know and you can fix the prob.[/quote'] First of all, it is MasterSepman :D. Second I realised that too, however I never heard of SP or plausible deniability (I am Dutch), but I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 First of all' date=' it is MasterSepman :D. Second I realised that too, however I never heard of SP or plausible deniability (I am Dutch), but I understand.[/quote'] "(SP)?" refers to when someone isn't sure of the spelling of the word. "plausible deniability" is basically that if you get a pic from an image hosting site, like photobucket, you do not know where it came from originally and thus cannot get into legal trouble if the pic ends up being stolen (i think, i could be wrong). however, if this happens, you should still take the card(s) down and report to the author which site you got it from so they can get it taken down from there as well. and, Jennifer, i thank you for your post about copyrights. it even cleared up a few things that i hadn't realized ^_^ i also agree with your suggestion of having an "ok to use pics from these artists" thread, and i think the mods are including that in their discussions. we could also have a "definitely do not use" thread for the people who don't want their art used in our cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songdancer13 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I would like to reccomend also adding 2 lists somewhere here in the forums...The first would be a list of artists to avoid, whose work to not even ask about, as there are many there who are professional artists who simply can not allow thier works to be used due to legal issues with thier employers or commissioners. There are also some who simply won't allow thier work to be used at all because they simply don't want it to be. That would help both sides as A: it would show members HERE who to not waste they're with by looking through art by that person and contacting them as even giving them credit in a disclaimer is not enough. It would help calm members on DA to know they can be added to this list if they do not wish to find their art used here. The second list would be a list of artists who have given permission for thier works, anything in thier gallery, to be used by members here for cards. Even if you don't want your cards to look like everyone else's it would be a place to start your search for art. I would also reccomend that someone create a club over on DA dedicated to the YCM. This club could contain art submitted by DA artists that is free for use here, lists of good artists to ask for art usage who are likely to get back to you quickly with a responce, and would be a great place for members of DA with questions to go to ask them. A club would get YCM a lot of GOOD publicity on DA, and help people really understand what it is. Again, it would be a good place to start when looking for art or artists as well by seeing who are members of the club, who have submitted art before. Those are people to go to ask for permission to use art, as they're most likely to say yes. It would likely take a few people to 'staff' or 'man' once word gets around about it and it starts getting more members than just people from here with accounts there. I am more than willing to create this club and give the log in information for it to anyone willing to help out as a moderator/admin of the club. However, if no one is intersted in this club being made, I won't bother with it as it's not worth doing if no one here wants it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songdancer13 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 First of all' date=' it is MasterSepman :D. Second I realised that too, however I never heard of SP or plausible deniability (I am Dutch), but I understand.[/quote'] "(SP)?" refers to when someone isn't sure of the spelling of the word. "plausible deniability" is basically that if you get a pic from an image hosting site, like photobucket, you do not know where it came from originally and thus cannot get into legal trouble if the pic ends up being stolen (i think, i could be wrong). however, if this happens, you should still take the card(s) down and report to the author which site you got it from so they can get it taken down from there as well. and, Jennifer, i thank you for your post about copyrights. it even cleared up a few things that i hadn't realized ^_^ i also agree with your suggestion of having an "ok to use pics from these artists" thread, and i think the mods are including that in their discussions. we could also have a "definitely do not use" thread for the people who don't want their art used in our cards. LOL, a little too slow with the 2 lists end of things, I guess...and of course at least one was posted in the only post I DIDN'T read in the thread, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 LOL' date=' a little too slow with the 2 lists end of things, I guess...and of course at least one was posted in the only post I DIDN'T read in the thread, lol.[/quote'] heh, that's okay ^_^ also, i wanted to mention that i think your idea about having a ycm club on DA would be a wonderful idea! it would definitely help to smooth things over between the two sites, and make collaboration easier. i have a DA account, but i don't actually post anything on it (i am in no way a good artist ;-)), so i would be willing to help with the "staffing" of the club, if you end up making one. i think others might be willing to help also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songdancer13 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 LOL' date=' a little too slow with the 2 lists end of things, I guess...and of course at least one was posted in the only post I DIDN'T read in the thread, lol.[/quote'] heh, that's okay ^_^ also, i wanted to mention that i think your idea about having a ycm club on DA would be a wonderful idea! it would definitely help to smooth things over between the two sites, and make collaboration easier. i have a DA account, but i don't actually post anything on it (i am in no way a good artist ;-)), so i would be willing to help with the "staffing" of the club, if you end up making one. i think others might be willing to help also. Awesome! I'll actually go make it now, or at least get it started, and send you the account info so that you can log in whenever, and edit anything that needs it. Anyone else who wants to join in with admin/moderating the club, let me know! Either through a PM here, or a note or somthing to the club once I have linked it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 LOL' date=' a little too slow with the 2 lists end of things, I guess...and of course at least one was posted in the only post I DIDN'T read in the thread, lol.[/quote'] heh, that's okay ^_^ also, i wanted to mention that i think your idea about having a ycm club on DA would be a wonderful idea! it would definitely help to smooth things over between the two sites, and make collaboration easier. i have a DA account, but i don't actually post anything on it (i am in no way a good artist ;-)), so i would be willing to help with the "staffing" of the club, if you end up making one. i think others might be willing to help also. Awesome! I'll actually go make it now, or at least get it started, and send you the account info so that you can log in whenever, and edit anything that needs it. Anyone else who wants to join in with admin/moderating the club, let me know! Either through a PM here, or a note or somthing to the club once I have linked it here. For some certain reasons, it would be better to SEND ME the info. I am more involved and aware of the situation then Brow, and i am also in talks with Many of the DA ppl over on DA about the situation, and im one of the members who talks to the Mods on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tefached Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 i found a slight problem now..with picture gallerys and photobucket wont they end with the same problem as deviantart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamboatStitch Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 You are going to need to ask for permission wherever you go, unless you know very well that it is open for public use and editing with no need of such permission. This rule isn't going into effect to silence DA members, it's fixing our copyright problem as a whole. Though that does bring a question to mind: Are other sites going to go under the same banner/emblem as DA, or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Are other sites going to go under the same banner/emblem as DA' date=' or what?[/quote'] i think that we can differentiate in the "who you can use" and "who you can't use" posts between different sites; though, i doubt we need to go to the extent of making a club on every site. but since deviantart is the site people seem to use most often, that's why we're working so much specifically with them and their artists. plus, they're the ones who started the discussions and are the main ones who want the right thing to be done (aside from our members, of course). Also, that's the reason i made the "Artistic Ambassador" banner so generic, so that any artist from any site knows who to go to if they have qualms about anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songdancer13 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 LOL' date=' a little too slow with the 2 lists end of things, I guess...and of course at least one was posted in the only post I DIDN'T read in the thread, lol.[/quote'] heh, that's okay ^_^ also, i wanted to mention that i think your idea about having a ycm club on DA would be a wonderful idea! it would definitely help to smooth things over between the two sites, and make collaboration easier. i have a DA account, but i don't actually post anything on it (i am in no way a good artist ;-)), so i would be willing to help with the "staffing" of the club, if you end up making one. i think others might be willing to help also. Awesome! I'll actually go make it now, or at least get it started, and send you the account info so that you can log in whenever, and edit anything that needs it. Anyone else who wants to join in with admin/moderating the club, let me know! Either through a PM here, or a note or somthing to the club once I have linked it here. For some certain reasons, it would be better to SEND ME the info. I am more involved and aware of the situation then Brow, and i am also in talks with Many of the DA ppl over on DA about the situation, and im one of the members who talks to the Mods on a daily basis. We are going to need more than just 1 or 2 people from both sides (DA AND HERE) to make the club work. I am more than happy to have BOTH of you help me, and will be asking a few DA artists to help, as well. If this is going to work, we need to have both sides represented, and represented by people capable of working together and being fair to both sides if and when issues crop up. It does no good if the admin can't be fair to both sides and can't get along. I also ask that we have one or 2 of the mods here as mods there...not so much to do work there...the rest of us can handle that, I'm sure, but to be there if an issue comes up that we need an official from this site to step in and help handle. Because of THAT, I think that having your help could be a really good thing as if we need one of them, you most liekly to be able to get in touch with them and let them know we need thier help. And so that you know, I AM one of those from DA. I am an artist there who is concerned with art theft in general, but also wants to make things work the best they possibly can for both sides. I am in no way coming into this blind or ignorant of what has been going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 We are going to need more than just 1 or 2 people from both sides (DA AND HERE) to make the club work. I am more than happy to have BOTH of you help me' date=' and will be asking a few DA artists to help, as well. If this is going to work, we need to have both sides represented, and represented by people capable of working together and being fair to both sides if and when issues crop up. It does no good if the admin can't be fair to both sides and can't get along. I also ask that we have one or 2 of the mods here as mods there...not so much to do work there...the rest of us can handle that, I'm sure, but to be there if an issue comes up that we need an official from this site to step in and help handle. Because of THAT, I think that having your help could be a really good thing as if we need one of them, you most liekly to be able to get in touch with them and let them know we need thier help. And so that you know, I AM one of those from DA. I am an artist there who is concerned with art theft in general, but also wants to make things work the best they possibly can for both sides. I am in no way coming into this blind or ignorant of what has been going on.[/quote'] i have a suggestion about your idea of having mods from here be mods in the club on DA also. perhaps the special mods put in position here to moderate the new rules can be the mods who also go over to officiate "disputes" or w/e on DA (that is, if YCMaker approves new mods). that way, the ones who are most knowledgeable will be in charge of making the decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songdancer13 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I think that's a great idea, too...for now I'm basically just taking whoever volunteers from here, and am going to start looking for volunteers on DA, too. If we wind up with mods butting heads and clashing...well, we'll deal with that if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songdancer13 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 the club on DA can be seen here: http://ycm-club.deviantart.com/ If anyone has reccomendations for changed to the journal, please let us know so that we can consider them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SushiTheLegend Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I take it nobody read my idea. I'd really like to help out with things, and I shall make banners and or graphics if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Sushi, everyone can help out, first off we need kaze to state the rule and choose YCM helpers then we make sure DA is fully clear with thats happening, then the graphics and supports come in, then we work things out from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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