Expelsword Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1313073301' post='5433132'] Because when your opponent gets it, you might as well declare gg. You don't win with BLS straight away. Your opponent can counter it easier and the chances of losing because of it is small. At most, it'll get rid of a Shi En or something or do [b]4000 or more damage[/b]. [/quote] Seriously, this is laughably easy to get out, deals too much damage, and if you want to, you can just turtle it and use it's RFP effect if you're scared to attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Too much damage? By your argument, Life Points matter. Opponent gets out BLS. Does 4000 damage. Next turn, you go Trishula, or Quasar, or what the hell. Master Hyperion and Grapha are also laughably easy to get out. So is Dark Armed Dragon. And so is Judgment Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Confiscation should be off the banlist. It's hard to search and it doesn't encourage OTKs. (same goes for Thousand-Eyes Restrict) btw, LPs do matter. People who say that are retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 No, but it can cause slippery slopes as -Griffin would say. A Confiscation immediately pulls the game in one person's favour. And you can't counter it in many ways at all so it's a guarantee. It's also easier to play by far. Thousand-Eyes is just easy to get out. With Black Luster, the point is that it usually doesn't cause much harm at all. All it is is a trump card. Not even a particularly game breaking one. Both players can easily pull off big moves. Black Luster is no different. It's not exactly hard to recover from =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 lolycm When the hell did everyone change their opinion by the way? I'm assuming the only reason people were saying it shouldn't come up now is because Mars was saying it should stay banned before. [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1313024964' post='5431962'] It also wouldn't be an autopilot deck. [/quote] to this. [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1313070845' post='5433080'] When did "card is easily countered" become a valid argument for unbanning something? [/quote] [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1313078277' post='5433303'] Confiscation should be off the banlist. It's hard to search and it doesn't encourage OTKs. (same goes for Thousand-Eyes Restrict) btw, LPs do matter. People who say that are retarded. [/quote] This. [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1313022746' post='5431822'] CED is an OTK on legs. This isn't. [/quote] to this. [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1313072686' post='5433112'] [quote]First off: I never said I particularly wanted it at 1. Just saying there would be literally no problems with this at 1. A broken card can be off the list as long as there is viable amounts of things to get rid of it that it doesn't really matter.[/quote] Premature Burial should come back because we have MST, Dust Tornado, Solemns, Magic Drain, Bottomless, Torrential and Breaker. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 I never went back and said I wouldn't like him back, because I happen to enjoy Chaos decks. I just pointed out that "it can be countered" has never been a successful argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 The removal of priority from the TCG will make this card weaker, maybe even weak enough to allow back, as cards like Torrential, Bottomless, Book of Moon, etc will be able to keep it from doing anything major. Sadly, I mentioned how mass S/T removal is more broken than mass monster removal, and this would be another example: It can keep removing monsters. But the card is still OPed as hell. JD is broken, but the only reason it's at 2 is because the deck has lost power. Black Luster Soldier doesn't NEED an archetype deck to run. With a few lights and darks in the deck, you could bring this out with relative ease. Some cards weren't just banned/limited for power. They were banned/limited because they were staples to the point where there was simply no point to use other cards. This would be practically an instant staple, with the further side effect of being an amazing card in its own right. Not good for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 @Cursed Reaction: You're using my sarcasm to counter my :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 I just realized that you could play this in everything, with Tour Guide engine and Veiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1313088417' post='5433494'] I never went back and said I wouldn't like him back, because I happen to enjoy Chaos decks. I just pointed out that "it can be countered" has never been a successful argument. [/quote] Well, the other argument is power creep in combination with Konami logic. One problem with Yu-Gi-Oh! is that the power level creeps every few years. Other TCGs have less of this problem because of actual good card designers. Chaos Sorcerer being on the list to coming off it completely is one example. Breaker is another. Then, Konami has the habit of doing the banlist terribly. My theory implies that Konami has never bothered to look at the meta and how certain cards would change it. I can't see the harm on the meta with this. Sure, you could banish Synchros these days but who would? Formula and Librarian are best left for Avarice. Plants don't use that many Light and Dark monsters to be honest. Neither do T.G.s. Six Sams hardly run much Lights except for a teched copy of that Light LLS. OTKs are pretty rare with this card too. If you want to OTK with Synchros in spam decks, it'll consist of 3 cards or more usually. It would give a fractional boost to Twilight decks that have lost substantial amounts of power already and just be a tech in other places. [quote name='Noel Vermillion' timestamp='1313088913' post='5433530'] I just realized that you could play this in everything, with Tour Guide engine and Veiler. [/quote] Sangan/Tour Guide is the culprit here, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1313089132' post='5433543'] Sangan/Tour Guide is the culprit here, by the way. [/quote] I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 I agree, those Plant decks that run 3 Chaos Sorcerer would never be able to play this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Exactly. ChaosPlants are Tier 2, not 1 so it doesn't give an un-necessary boost to a Tier 1 deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmic Rand Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Konami should suddenly put this to 3 and troll everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 [quote name='Ohmic Rand' timestamp='1313089747' post='5433588'] Konami should suddenly put this to 3 and troll everybody. [/quote] That's more extreme than your trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathxy Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 no searchable he is semi-nomi trade in for the lulz 3000 atk banish monster light easy to summon as 1,2,3 as said before, this at 1 can be stoped in some many ways ( cuz you will always have those cards at your dispossal as same as your oponent will always had bls in hand and light and dark on graveyard ). this is an invalid argument for @1 rescue rabbit can has a deck named after him, this cant cuz there is no such thing as bls-turbo,dek, but the decks in can be atached to are extremely good (not really). so its a tech card that serves as a triumph card cuz of his abilities, but a tech that can win you a duel, like some others cards that are @3, like shi or coelacanth ( having the effect of discarding a card and win the duel its better than removal or double atk ). this is a valid arguement compared to ced, the true is that they cant be compared, if you dont stop ced, u lost, but now u can warning, solemn, veiler, doomcaliber, raioh, but thats no excuse for a card list position, and also ced is "searchable" with a simple fufu and monster reincarnation. so ced is more searchable than this. oh wait, omni heroes spams lights and darks, i guess u can tech some stupid reincarnatios for when u use fufu and shining if ced was a god, this was jesuschrist, maybe god never apear again, but it is said that jesus will have a second come try and erroe, limit this and see what happen, in the worst scenario, it will only last for 6 months, and we always have terrible metas ruled by one deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmic Rand Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 oh yeah that reminds me, The Warrior Returning Alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Because people would tech in 3 Returning Alive for a Limited card. Although, it would give birth to a few new decks, I guess. But that's a good thing. Light/Dark Warriors (D.D. Warrior Lady, Doomcaliber, Thunder King Rai Oh). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Chaos Anti-Meta! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Now I think about it, it already existed. This just gives it a boost by about half a tier. They are an awfully cramped deck though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Chaos Bushi o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Really, any Chaos deck could use this. If cramped for space, drop a Sorcerer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmic Rand Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 well I sure learned to read the topic closely, right gang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted August 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 [quote name='Noel Vermillion' timestamp='1313088913' post='5433530'] I just realized that you could play this in everything, with Tour Guide engine and Veiler. [/quote] Its funny because its 100% true. That engine is becoming a staple in every deck too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1313095386' post='5433795'] Its funny because its 100% true. That engine is becoming a staple in every deck too. [/quote] 3 Tour Guide 2 Effect Veiler 1 Sangan 1 BLS - EotB ^new staple lineup if it gets unbanned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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