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This is more powerful than Sorcerer, not even considering its ability to double attack.

Sorcerer's RFG can be dodged with Book of Moon or by Setting monsters. This hits f/d too. It may not be able to Synchro, but that hardly matters in the long run. Most Synchros can't beat this and those that can are likely to get RFGed in an instant. Plus, this can inflict an insane amount of damage if you use the double attacking effect.

I can see this coming back for lulz. I dont think it should come back, though.

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[font=tahoma,geneva,sans-serif][color=#800000]While the Black Luster Soldier is very powerful I don't think it will have its full influence like it did in the past. Nor would Chaos Emperor. IMO they both can be limited to 1. Just don't bring back Yatagarsu into the game and I think we'd all be ok (unless there is another monster with Yatagarsu's effect). Don't most people like using the Reborn Tengu or is that card going out of style? There have been a number of ways for monsters to come to the field from deck, grave yard and removed from play since Black Luster and Chaos Emperor were banned.[/color][/font]

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[quote name='Nine Breaker' timestamp='1313046380' post='5432596']
[font=tahoma, geneva, sans-serif][color=#800000]While the Black Luster Soldier is very powerful I don't think it will have its full influence like it did in the past. Nor would Chaos Emperor. IMO they both can be limited to 1. Just don't bring back Yatagarsu into the game and I think we'd all be ok (unless there is another monster with Yatagarsu's effect). Don't most people like using the Reborn Tengu or is that card going out of style? There have been a number of ways for monsters to come to the field from deck, grave yard and removed from play since Black Luster and Chaos Emperor were banned.[/color][/font]
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While SOMEWHAT true, the game is not usually aided by returning a blatantly overpowered card to the legal cardpool. Dark Hole is an exception, as it really didn't make the impact it was expected to. The problem may very well be that our meta is so messed up that OPed cards really dont make the splash any more. But rather than get rid of the broken cards, introducing new broken cards to counter them isn't the best idea.

BLS-Envoy has this little problem regarding the fact it's splashable as hell. One Light and one Dark is EASY to get in the Grave for a 3000 beater that can attack twice or RFG any monster without a cost.

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[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1313047087' post='5432616']

While SOMEWHAT true, the game is not usually aided by returning a blatantly overpowered card to the legal cardpool. Dark Hole is an exception, as it really didn't make the impact it was expected to. The problem may very well be that our meta is so messed up that OPed cards really dont make the splash any more. But rather than get rid of the broken cards, introducing new broken cards to counter them isn't the best idea.

BLS-Envoy has this little problem regarding the fact it's splashable as hell. One Light and one Dark is EASY to get in the Grave for a 3000 beater that can attack twice or RFG any monster without a cost.
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[font=tahoma,geneva,sans-serif][color=#800000]I agree. Bringing back one broken card to counter another isn't really helping. Who or whom is BLS supposed to be countering? I also agree he's extremely easy to bring forth and use his effects. At the same time though I don't think he's searchable and if limited to one I don't see him being as fast many of the Synchro monsters. It seems more like a wake up call to tread carefully when playing.[/color][/font]

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To me, he's a counter to Shi En and the brokenness of Samurai, considering it can attack twice and thus neuter the swarming while overpowering them in battle. He also would be a detriment to most Synchros, Xyz, and boss monsters like Grapha.

Better question: What DOESNT this thing counter? Anything immune to targeting can usually be bested in battle with a 3000. Anything immune to destruction in battle can be RFGed.

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[quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1313027125' post='5432043']
EDIT: My Math is wrong
12 Formats
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[size=2]correction 13 Formats, remember we had 3 Formats in 2008 because of Allure being emergency hit, but that's besides the point,[/size]

this will stay @0 forever, besides they reprinted 5 banned cards in DPKB and none of them went off the list now did they

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@1 would be perfectly fine.

It's perfectly comparable to Judgment Dragon. Both do well in Twilight/Chaos and Mill decks. Both have a chance to be milled themselves. Both are 3000 beatsticks.

...And both are extremely easy to remove.

After Bottomless becomes good, this becomes worse. And I have no problem with this at 1. So many ways to remove it, it's not funny.

Shrink, Forbidden Lance, Bottomless, Dimensional Prison, Smashing Ground, Scrap Dragon, Trishula, Dark Hole, Solemn Warning, Judgment. The list goes on.

The same, however, cannot be said for Chaos Emperor Dragon. It shall stay forever banned.

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[b]But I can't Synchro with it![/b]
Do you want Arcanite [s]or Locomotion R-Genex[/s] so badly that you'd get rid of [i]this[/i]?

[b]It's just like Chaos Sorcerer![/b]
No, it has 3000 ATK. That means, for all practical purposes, there is no way to run over it in battle.

[b]Blablabla ATK doesn't matter blablabla who destroys in battle[/b]
Stop parroting people who actually know what they're talking about.

[b]It's so easy to get rid of![/b]
Well, first of all, since we've crossed battle off the list, it's not. Second of all, once it actually hits the field successfully (no Solemn Warning, etc.), it will immediately pay for itself with the removal effect, [i]and[/i] probably won't ever attack, so D-Prison can also be crossed off the list.

[b]Words.[/b]
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It can obviously go up. And probably will because of next set.

[quote name='機皇神龍アステリスク' timestamp='1313068667' post='5433030']
[b]But I can't Synchro with it![/b]
Do you want Arcanite [s]or Locomotion R-Genex[/s] so badly that you'd get rid of [i]this[/i]?
[b][color=#ff0000]Exactly. One reason why it can come back.[/color][/b]

[b]It's just like Chaos Sorcerer![/b]
No, it has 3000 ATK. That means, for all practical purposes, there is no way to run over it in battle.
[b][color=#FF0000]Shrink, Forbidden Lance, Forbidden Chalice, [/color][/b]

[b]Blablabla ATK doesn't matter blablabla who destroys in battle[/b]
Stop parroting people who actually know what they're talking about.
[color="#FF0000"][b]Except it doesn't matter. It's ten times easier to destroy via effects these days.[/b][/color]

[b]It's so easy to get rid of![/b]
Well, first of all, since we've crossed battle off the list, it's not. Second of all, once it actually hits the field successfully (no Solemn Warning, etc.), it will immediately pay for itself with the removal effect, [i]and[/i] probably won't ever attack, so D-Prison can also be crossed off the list.
[color="#FF0000"][b]Except we didn't cross battle off the list. And you might as well say the same thing for every other boss monster in the game. "Herp derp, if you don't have Solemn Warning, how am I going to get rid of it? Herp derp."[/b][/color]
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I hate it when people are paranoid that things are impossible to get rid of.

[b][spoiler=Viable ways of how it can be got rid of][/b]
- Scrap Dragon
- Black Rose Dragon
- Judgment Dragon
- Dark Armed Dragon
- Master Hyperion
- Caius
- Trishula
- Brionac
- Catastor
- Chaos King Archfiend
- Chaos Sorcerer
- Shooting Star
- Quasar
- Red Nova
- Shrink
- Forbidden Lance
- Forbidden Chalice
- Smashing Ground
- Warning
- Judgment
- Grapha
- Compulsory Evacuation
- Bottomless (especially after priority change)
- Arcanite
- D.D. Warrior Lady
- Another copy of BLS if it's unbanned.
- Dark Hole
- Evolkaiser Ragia
- Torrential Tribute
- Tiras
- Adreus[/spoiler]

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[quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1313059054' post='5432787']
@1 would be perfectly fine.

It's perfectly comparable to Judgment Dragon. Both do well in Twilight/Chaos and Mill decks. Both have a chance to be milled themselves. Both are 3000 beatsticks.

...And both are extremely easy to remove.

After Bottomless becomes good, this becomes worse. And I have no problem with this at 1. So many ways to remove it, it's not funny.

Shrink, Forbidden Lance, Bottomless, Dimensional Prison, Smashing Ground, Scrap Dragon, Trishula, Dark Hole, Solemn Warning, Judgment. The list goes on.

The same, however, cannot be said for Chaos Emperor Dragon. It shall stay forever banned.
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As LZ said, Counterabiltiy =/= balance. CED is not worse than BLS because it cannot be countered, it's worse because if it isn't countered OTKs are easy as hell.

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First off: I never said I particularly wanted it at 1. Just saying there would be literally no problems with this at 1.

A broken card can be off the list as long as there is viable amounts of things to get rid of it that it doesn't really matter.

Bad design: yes. But as long as there are counters, things can stay off the list and thrive.

Master Hyperion might just be said the same. Even easier to get out, with a destruction effect.

You might say the same for Obelisk. Once again, it's gg. The point is that it's hard to get out. Everything has its weakness. With Obelisk, playability. With BLS, how long it can stay on the field for.

The banlist isn't there just to remove broken cards, it's to provide an environment where things can be where they are without threat.

Miror, that is exactly why CED is on the list. I know. But BLS doesn't provide a threat if it isn't taken care of straight away. CED, you have to take care of it straight away. BLS, you don't. Simple as.

It's Konami's fault anyway. But I can say with full confidence that BLS has absolutely no problem at 1.

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[quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1313072148' post='5433099']
First off: I never said I particularly wanted it at 1. Just saying there would be literally no problems with this at 1.

A broken card can be off the list as long as there is viable amounts of things to get rid of it that it doesn't really matter.
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Premature Burial should come back because we have MST, Dust Tornado, Solemns, Magic Drain, Bottomless, Torrential and Breaker.

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Premature encourages OTKs more than BLS.[quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1313072793' post='5433117']
But it can be countered by a lot of cards.
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Premature can be bounced for even more broken shenanigans.

And you can't fricking search BLS that easily.

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Because when your opponent gets it, you might as well declare gg.

You don't win with BLS straight away. Your opponent can counter it easier and the chances of losing because of it is small. At most, it'll get rid of a Shi En or something or do 3000 damage.

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