Neg Reps

[Yankee]

I find your apathy strange. If you don't care, give it up.

 

Who says I don't care? I'm not the most enthusiastic member on the site, and I don't conform to other's beliefs, but I do care about the site.

 

But, it does. People told Shard (And others) to change. He did not. Got negged, and he did. And this was in the era of reps without explanations. We need them to be like a comment on a wall, but as a neg, like in the old forum, but I don't see that happening.

 

Again, minority.

 

You're inactive as hell, and you obviously don't or you wouldn't say that. The trolls are considered some of the best members, not that I agree.

 

Didn't I explain that later in my post...? Also, I'm on every day. It's called logging in as invisible, sir.

 

The majority didn't decide. YCMaker upgraded to a kind of server without negs, for some reason, it seems. Only people like MBX who refuse to listen to reason or people who, like you, are apathatic didn't want negs.

 

The majority did decide, however, that they did not want negs. It was YCMaker who was slow in removing them. In fact, the majority on this site don't truly mean a lot in the end. All decisions are handed to the dictator, YCMaker. (It is not an attack on him. Simply put, YCM is not a democracy, but a dictatorship.)

 

 

 

 

Again, Shard changed because he was sick of being negged. He was told how to fix it, and he ignored it. He just got tired of being negged, and got up. See, you keep saying that's the exception, and it's childish... But many on this forum are 11-14-ish. They're, le gasp, children.

 

Ya know, you keep bringing Shard up, even though you yourself have agreed that his is a minority case. Yes, members here are children, but that's not excuse to act more childish than that. I also like how you attacked my "childish" comment, but didn't really say anything to the contrary of "exception".*

 

 

My definition isn't that. In fact, I think most "good members" are trolls, not good members. But, people who are trolls can even become mods for "Being a good member". And, if good member is subjective, negs can come back, oui? Shows who people think is good, and who they think is bad. They need to come back, if only as a reference.

 

So now you've left the idea of changing people, to my idea of it being a reference?

Trust me, more thought goes into promoting a member to a mod than that. Simply being a "good member" isn't enough.

 

Alas, it seems this is futile, according to Warheim, but don't delude yourself into that sense of arrogance you give off.

 

Any arrogant implications I give are simply accidental.

 

@Striker: ... =/

 

At least we're not really jabroniING at each other. It's more a debate.

 

See, that's what makes this better. Arguing and debating. Different things. ^^

 

 

Yes, you did. There hasn't been a trace of you in a while. Now, can things go civilly and not involve forceful resignation?

 

 

 

Again, logging in as invisible. You don't have to post to be active.

*cough* Forceful resignation? How...strange.

 

 

 

That stood out to me. YCMaker decided to update YCM. Not the members. Not the majority. The update to the newer version of IPB doesn't include neg reps. An Warenheit said.

So no matter how much you wish for neg reps to come back, chances are, they aren't.

 

The majority decided that they did not want reps before the initial switch. YCMaker never responded to it. Rather, he ignored the members (as per usual), and changed EVERYTHING. Safe to say, the majority did not agree on THAT decision. Please do not combine the decision on reps and the decision to change the site. They are separate.

 

As for reports, more often than not, I will make it a point to post and respond. Generally, much like reps, a member will change if a mod requires that they do. That, and a warning... :P

[Joey Miles]

super support idk why people were stupid enough to want them gone in the first place

[Guest Ravenous Black]

Who says I don't care? I'm not the most enthusiastic member on the site, and I don't conform to other's beliefs, but I do care about the site.

 

And I don't conform either, hence why I still say we need negs, despite the impossibility. And, the whole "Resignation" thing was, again, opinion. I feel if someone doesn't care about the site, not neccesarily you, they should throw in the towel.

 

Didn't I explain that later in my post...? Also, I'm on every day. It's called logging in as invisible, sir.

 

Touche

 

The majority did decide, however, that they did not want negs. It was YCMaker who was slow in removing them. In fact, the majority on this site don't truly mean a lot in the end. All decisions are handed to the dictator, YCMaker. (It is not an attack on him. Simply put, YCM is not a democracy, but a dictatorship.)

 

No, the majority of those who posted in that thread wanted them gone, just as the majority here want them back. And, yes, I know it's a dictatorship, hence why I don't care much for "Support this". It's just something I think on.

 

Ya know, you keep bringing Shard up, even though you yourself have agreed that his is a minority case. Yes, members here are children, but that's not excuse to act more childish than that. I also like how you attacked my "childish" comment, but didn't really say anything to the contrary of "exception".*

 

Well, he's the best example. Others would include Shadow Zero, and maybe even Striker. Those 3 are some of the most infamous on the site. And I was meaning to imply that it might not always BE the exception, due to most members, like shard, being kids.. Granted, Shadow is into his 20s, and I wanna say Striker is 16.

 

So now you've left the idea of changing people, to my idea of it being a reference?

Trust me, more thought goes into promoting a member to a mod than that. Simply being a "good member" isn't enough.

 

NAh, I'm saying it needs to be there /at least/ as a reference.

I've won the YMB twice, and won the "Best Male Member" award, not that I agree with all that. I know it's more than "good member", but there ARE mods who are "good members".

 

Any arrogant implications I give are simply accidental.

 

Good to know

 

See, that's what makes this better. Arguing and debating. Different things. ^^

 

Exactly ^^

[Sweetie Belle]

 

The majority decided that they did not want reps before the initial switch. YCMaker never responded to it. Rather, he ignored the members (as per usual), and changed EVERYTHING. Safe to say, the majority did not agree on THAT decision. Please do not combine the decision on reps and the decision to change the site. They are separate.

 

What you call "majority," I counted as 2-3 people. Only 2 people in Welche's thread about wanting negs gone supported (one of which was Welche himself), and then 1 I couldn't get a definitive answer from.

 

Those who opted to keep reps outweighs the number who wanted to get rid of them.

 

And then there are those who wanted the entire rep system gone, but that's separate.

[Tourmaline]

As for reports, more often than not, I will make it a point to post and respond. Generally, much like reps, a member will change if a mod requires that they do. That, and a warning... :P

 

Just don't go thinking that your opinion is worth anything more than, for example, WinterKirby's or my own.

Simply because it isn't, I believe.

 

On the topic, I think that it'd be better if the reputation system could be purely optional.

 

For example, one could turn the system off and the reputation a post receives would be invisible, as would any numbers or information pertaining to such.

 

Additionally, the only other option should be to keep reputation on, thus allowing one to see all information pertaining to such.

 

Of course, there would be positive reputation and negative reputation.

 

Realistically, there is a large probability anybody but those involved in the topic will read this post. It was simply a manner of expressing opinion.

[byak]

You guys know that neg reps made Shard worse right.

 

regardless they still need to come back because they're fun

[evilfusion]

Hmm...neg reps.

 

I never really liked the concept of neg reps. They were far superior when you had to specifically go to a person's profile, sign your name to a rep, and give a reason for why they're good/bad. Thus it was usually earned, and they weren't handed out like candies.

 

The problem with negs is the same as there is with positive reps.

 

1) It's been said that some A-holes have 400+ reps. This is TRUE. Why? Because positive reps aren't usually given because someone is NICE. They're given because the person is AMUSING. And what's a great source of amusement? Being a complete jerk to other people, especially those who are stupid. A good example is Crab, who has a massively high rep and forum cred for being witty, but also a colossal jerk.

 

2) Posts with memes often give a plethora of positive reps, despite these type of posts derail the conversation, can border on inside jokes, or are incredibly stupid. Posts I would give a negative rep to for this reason are often awarded with positive reps by various other members, making the entire system completely ineffectual. Funny stupidity= good. Needs improvement stupidity is discussed below.

 

3) People overreact to "stupidity" and give out neg reps with little provocation. Genuine stupidity is often dismissed as the work of a troll, or the work of a troll is dubbed stupidity. In either case, negs do nothing.

 

However, in support of neg reps, I'll note that I myself feel much less restrained now that neg reps don't exist. I don't have to think much about what I say or what I contribute, because I can't be penalized by it so long as I'm not spamming or blatantly flaming.

 

Still, I don't think neg reps need to come back. They're just something a little extra and a way to put someone else down in a non-aggressive manner.

[Wahrheit]

Negative reputation was removed as part of the IPB 3.2 update and has nothing to do with the decisions of the board's staff. There is no way to turn it back on, the "like" system is meant to be used akin to stuff like digg, reddit etc but only with upvoting.

I am quoting myself because you are all too dumb to read.

 

I run an IP.Board, I know these things. It's not coming back, be quiet.