.Nu-13 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1311349497' post='5377526'] EDIT: Wait, than that would mean Sangan gets his eff. OH BOY. [/quote] He needs to be sent from field to graveyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Klavier Gavin' timestamp='1311349604' post='5377531'] He needs to be sent from field to graveyard [/quote] How is that any different? Aren't Sangan and Tengu both on the Field? If not, Tengu's ruling is f***ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Klavier Gavin' timestamp='1311349604' post='5377531'] He needs to be sent from field to graveyard [/quote] Q4E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 To summarize this topic. [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/5ee4vo.gif[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Basically TCG's "Rulings", Yugimonz is now: [img]http://gametechmods.com/../uploads/images/12268Fyea.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1311349397' post='5377518'] Wait a minute.... If "being used as an XYZ Material" is now considered being removed from the field... Then wouldn't cards like Birdman and Plaguespreader get Banished, instead of being overlaid? [/quote] That's what I was thinking. =| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Birdman, Plague and Quillbolt would theoretically be banished. Sangan won't activate because being overlaid is not treated as being on the field, so never gets sent from the field to the graveyard. So, apart from Tengu they've done it right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1311349418' post='5377520'] @CDD: It's funny cause its true. [/quote] no it isn't Dragunities can't run Tengu because it'd hurt their consistency (Tengu forces them to NS their Tuners), so it's the only decktype that i know of, that cannot be a 34 card deck because their consistency would be f***'d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted July 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1311349397' post='5377518'] Wait a minute.... If "being used as an XYZ Material" is now considered being removed from the field... Then wouldn't cards like Birdman and Plaguespreader get Banished, instead of being overlaid? [/quote] [quote]The reason that this is supposedly nothing more than a baseless OCG-TCG ruling disagreement is because of Plaguespreader. [u][b]It has already been ruled conclusively that a Plaguespreader that would banish itself when removed from the field does not banish itself upon being treated as Xyz Material.[/b][/u] If treating a card as Xyz Material triggers Tengu's effect, it must make Tengu leave the field: but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field. And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself. But it doesn't banish itself. So it can't make it leave the field. So it shouldn't trigger Tengu. But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field. but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field. And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself. But it doesn't banish itself. So it can't make it leave the field. So it shouldn't trigger Tengu. But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field. but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field. And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself. But it doesn't banish itself. ......... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [img]http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/10/128708495594016451.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I still don't get why Konami made such a confusing ruling. Overlaid monster's aren't on the field, but when removed, are considered to have "left the field". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Guys, this is obviously the reason [i]why[/i] Tengu, and [i]only[/i] Tengu has such a BS ruling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoYWdHe4tQ4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 My only clue/assumption to this is: Overlaid Units are no longer monsters. Tengu says "card", but it's not related to Summoning Conditions. When Plague, Birdman, or Quillbolt are RFGed, it's because they were Special Summoned by their effect. Being Overlaid (presumably) resets the memory of how it was Summoned, the same as Book of Moon. But that should conflict with Sangan because Sangan doesn't have to be a monster when it's sent to the Graveyard. So if Sangan can't do it, Tengu shouldn't be able to, either. This seems more like an attempt to get rulings consistent until Xyz mechanics are clear, but that's a stupid way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1311351180' post='5377574'] But that should conflict with Sangan because Sangan doesn't have to be a monster when it's sent to the Graveyard. So if Sangan can't do it, Tengu shouldn't be able to, either. [/quote] [size=7][b]FROM FIELD TO GRAVEYARD[/b][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Gks still won't use tengu |: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Wait, now I have to verify. Does Tengu activate when Overlaid or when detached? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1311351479' post='5377584'] Wait, now I have to verify. Does Tengu activate when Overlaid or when detached? [/quote] They're saying when overlaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1311351533' post='5377587'] They're saying when overlaid. [/quote] Oh. I thought it was when it was detached. Disregard my assumption. Yeah, that totally screws up consistency with the rulings regarding Plague, Birdman, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Shortly saying: Tengu works when Overlaid, and Quillbolt/Birdman still don't get banished when Overlaid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='ＴＨＥ ＳＵＮ ＯＦ ＧＯＤ ＤＲＡＧＯＮ' timestamp='1311351401' post='5377580'] Gks still won't use tengu |: [/quote] true, Tengu would f*** up the consistency of GKs.................. and Dragunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 This ruling.... it's pretty dumb. IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATISTHISIDON'TEVENSAJKBSAifwfdsagfdasi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Klavier Gavin' timestamp='1311351712' post='5377592'] Shortly saying: Tengu works when Overlaid, and Quillbolt/Birdman still don't get banished when Overlaid? [/quote] I think so. It doesn't make sense. This is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionnaire Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1311350921' post='5377566'] I still don't get why Konami made such a confusing ruling. Overlaid monster's aren't on the field, but when removed, are considered to have "left the field". [/quote] Wait, does tengu's effect go off when it is used for a xyz summon, or when it, acting as xyz materials, is sent to the grave for the monster to which it is overlaid's effect? I understood it like this: xyz material overlaid is a similar entity to field or grave in that it is a location for monsters. When you xyz summon, your monsters leave the field to be overlaid; effects that activate when a monster leaves the field activate at this time. (tengu) When xyz material is detached, it is sent to the grave, so sent to grave effects activate. (dandy) Other monster with more specific effects, ie sangan, never get their effects because they are xyz material between field and grave. Ninja'd, missed the second page :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I hope you all can now understand why I b**** so much about the TCG ;p Nothing they do makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Legionnaire' timestamp='1311352167' post='5377605'] Wait, does tengu's effect go off when it is used for a xyz summon, or when it, acting as xyz materials, is sent to the grave for the monster to which it is overlaid's effect? I understood it like this: xyz material overlaid is a similar entity to field or grave in that it is a location for monsters. When you xyz summon, your monsters leave the field to be overlaid; effects that activate when a monster leaves the field activate at this time. (tengu) When xyz material is detached, it is sent to the grave, so sent to grave effects activate. (dandy) Other monster with more specific effects, ie sangan, never get their effects because they are xyz material between field and grave. Ninja'd, missed the second page :/ [/quote] That makes some sense, except for the problem with Birdman, Plague, and Quillbolt, which are ruled in the OCG to not RFG themselves when Overlaid. If they remove themselves from the field even momentarily, they should be RFGed instead, theoretically implying they cannot be used for Xyz Summons at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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