Friend who has biased views on religion. (Discuss biased beliefs.)

[Dad]

[quote name='機皇神龍アステリスク' timestamp='1313342533' post='5442229']
Well, I thought I was going to have to take a peek into the gospels, but Mr. Striker helpfully gave me a quote:

'Matthew 28:19, "So you must go and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."'
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Thanks for enlightening me. =]

[Grunt Issun]

That guy that Striker linked to was just trolling us right? He WAS just trolling us.. right? RIGHT!?!

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

In all seriousness though, like it's been said countless times, why would a deity give free will if he would damn those who don't believe in him? This is very unlikely, but I am not an Aethiest, I DO believe that there is some form of Deity that created everything, starting from the first cells that existed.

[Dark]

[i]I DO believe that there is some form of Deity that created everything, starting from the first cells that existed. [/i]

Kay, does this god of yours have any other purpose? Does he send you to heaven if you're nice and to hell if you're naughty? If so, there are logistic problems regarding how he sends someone to heaven, regarding a ton of other aspects of your religion that your god failed to address (unless he does, in which case, your "lack of religion" probably is very close to some religion out there).

If he doesn't play Santie Clause, why the hell is he even existent? To make us and watch blindly as havoc unfolds? If so, is there really any rational through process to believing in him anyways? He doesn't do anything, he's a lazy arse, and he's secretly a dick. So why believe in something like that when your outlook on life doesn't change if you become an atheist?

[Grunt Issun]

I simply believe in a higher power because, honestly, I have no other reasoning to how anything was created, I'm not extremely educated on the subject, I don't know what the theory behind how the big bang happened is, I don't worship said higher power, I just assume that he/she/it just created the universe, don't know to why, don't really give a crap.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

[quote name='~N~' timestamp='1313345737' post='5442376']
I simply believe in a higher power because, honestly, I have no other reasoning to how anything was created, I'm not extremely educated on the subject, I don't know what the theory behind how the big bang happened is, I don't worship said higher power, I just assume that he/she/it just created the universe, don't know to why, don't really give a crap.
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I dont believe in one god I believe in many and I am one of the few who can honestly say my Gods have a tendency to be *ssholes at times... I worship them nonetheless...

[Vough]

@[url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/user/114148-%e6%a9%9f%e7%9a%87%e7%a5%9e%e9%be%8d%e3%82%a2%e3%82%b9%e3%83%86%e3%83%aa%e3%82%b9%e3%82%af/"]機皇神龍アステリスク[/url]

What do you mean, the Kingdom of God is a physical, material thing. It's not 0.0
And also, I can give you the descendants from David->Jesus. There's a list somewhere in my Bible that has all of them.

[quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1313349523' post='5442543']
I dont believe in one god I believe in many and I am one of the few who can honestly say my [b]g[/b]ods have a tendency to be *ssholes at times... I worship them nonetheless...
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fix'd

@Dark

I can't help but get angry when you overgeneralize with your biased opinions, but that's what you're intending.

[Dark]

[i]I simply believe in a higher power because, honestly, I have no other reasoning to how anything was created, I'm not extremely educated on the subject, I don't know what the theory behind how the big bang happened is, I don't worship said higher power, I just assume that he/she/it just created the universe, don't know to why, don't really give a crap. [/i]

Then it is equally as rational to, without previous knowledge of anything in the field of physics, blindly believe physicists that the Big Bang actually did happen and that is how the universe came into exist. But no one wants you to do that, science isn't about blindly believing "facts" like religion is. Just because you aren't educated on the topic doesn't mean you can't learn about it, and it's completely illogical to believe in a higher power that did and does nothing [i]other than[/i] make the universe. At least other people have more (although arguably stupid) reasons for believing in a god.

[i]I can't help but get angry when you overgeneralize with your biased opinions, but that's what you're intending. [/i]

Feels like your stupidity has transferred from the circumcision debate to the actual Debates forum, unfortunately.

How about instead of spouting out random bullshit, you actually (for once in your life, take baby steps) [b]point out[/b] one of the generalizations I made?

...also, are opinions supposed to be unbiased? Isn't the whole point of an opinion to form a stance on an issue? If my opinion that screamo music sucks was wholly unbiased, it would turn into fact and anyone who disagreed with me would be arguing with hard facts. You really don't think much before posting, do you?

[Dr. Cakey]

[quote name='Vough' timestamp='1313356690' post='5442864']
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What do you mean, the Kingdom of God is a physical, material thing. It's not 0.0
And also, I can give you the descendants from David->Jesus. There's a list somewhere in my Bible that has all of them.
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It is in the Old Testament.

The lineage of Jesus is in Matthew, from Abraham to David to Jesus. I could have sworn there was another lineage that went from Adam in another gospel, but I can't find it.

The problem, though, is that Jesus is of Nazareth, while the messiah was supposed to come from Bethlehem. To fix this, the Gospel of Mark inserts a census at this time, requiring Joseph to go to Bethlehem in order to establish that he was of David's line, but this event goes unrecorded outside of the Bible. A census of this nature would be a monumental undertaking, and quite frankly there would be record of it

[Hɑrdy]

The religion itself has no proof to back itself up. All proof consistent with Christianity comes from the bible which contradicts itself and is inconsistent.

But rather than nitpicking the entire thing let’s take one very big belief Christians go by today. ‘’God created the earth’’

Scientists today have a currently accepted theory of how the earth came to be called ‘’accretion’’ in which the planets began as dust grains that orbited around the central protostar. Through direct contact the grains formed into clumps which were up to 200 meters in diameter, which in turn collided to form larger bodies known as planatesimals of 10 km in size. Naturally the size increased over the course of the next few million years or so.

There is WAY more to it but my computer decided to delete it thrice, so I won’t type it all out again.

[Vough]

[quote]If he doesn't play Santie Clause, why the hell is he even existent? To make us and watch blindly as havoc unfolds? If so, is there really any rational through process to believing in him anyways? He doesn't do anything, he's a lazy arse, and he's secretly a dick. So why believe in something like that when your outlook on life doesn't change if you become an atheist?[/quote]

This is what I'm talking about by biased generalizations, Dark. Why would a GOD play Santie Clause? And you essentially begin talking to yourself by not considering that perhaps humans and their corruption brought this havoc upon ourselves. Who says he doesn't do anything? Because God, I repeat, [b]GOD[/b], doesn't cater to your every whim doesn't mean he's a lazy arse and is inexistent.
How does your outlook not change? Your outlook SHOULD change.
And I could also say the same thing. Why not become a Christian? You're promised eternal life, and if you're wrong, hey, there's nothing to worry about! You might also be saved by Buddha, if you get to heaven by living a good life!

Why would you be so adamant about being "right" in life, when you at least "know" that there is nothing after life. Would you rather look smart, and die and have no legacy, besides living reckless life, than atleast HOPING that there is an afterlife and a God that will bring you to paradise to live forever?

[quote name='Hɑrdy' timestamp='1313591006' post='5450260']
The religion itself has no proof to back itself up. All proof consistent with Christianity comes from the bible which contradicts itself and is inconsistent.

But rather than nitpicking the entire thing let’s take one very big belief Christians go by today. ‘’God created the earth’’

Scientists today have a currently accepted theory of how the earth came to be called ‘’accretion’’ in which the planets began as dust grains that orbited around the central protostar. Through direct contact the grains formed into clumps which were up to 200 meters in diameter, which in turn collided to form larger bodies known as planatesimals of 10 km in size. Naturally the size increased over the course of the next few million years or so.

There is WAY more to it but my computer decided to delete it thrice, so I won’t type it all out again.
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The only inconsistencies and contradictions are TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT.
And I thought that the theory was that the Earth was made of molten lava, when a meteor crashed into it and created the moon while the Earth cooled for a million years?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

I love it how you guys are avoiding the main way to disprove Christianity. Disprove the Resurrection.

[Dr. Cakey]

[quote name='Mr. Striker' timestamp='1313945161' post='5459355']
I love it how you guys are avoiding the main way to disprove Christianity. Disprove the Resurrection.
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There's no way to disprove the Resurrection without time travel. Unless you have a suggestion?

And now I activate quote-block madness.
[quote name='Vough' timestamp='1313909955' post='5458816']

This is what I'm talking about by biased generalizations, Dark. Why would a GOD play Santie Clause?
[b]I have no idea. Why [i]would[/i] a god play Santa Claus? Probably because that's what you say he does.[/b]

And you essentially begin talking to yourself by not considering that perhaps humans and their corruption brought this havoc upon ourselves.
[b]Analogy:[/b]
[b]Step 1: A guy grows a tree, cuts it down, and painstakingly carves each and every one into perfect building blocks.[/b]
[b]Step 2: Guy builds a block tower.[/b]
[b]Step 3: Tower collapses.[/b]
[b]Step 4: Guy blames it on the blocks.[/b]

Who says he doesn't do anything? Because God, I repeat, [b]GOD[/b], doesn't cater to your every whim doesn't mean he's a lazy arse and is inexistent.
[b]Apparently, God isn't held to moral standards as rigorous as humanity.[/b]

How does your outlook not change? Your outlook SHOULD change.
And I could also say the same thing. Why not become a Christian? You're promised eternal life, and if you're wrong, hey, there's nothing to worry about!
[b]Paschal's Wager is adorable.[/b]

You might also be saved by Buddha, if you get to heaven by living a good life!
[b]Wait...that's not how Buddhism works. Like, at all.[/b]

[b]Particularly since the goal of Buddhism is essentially to [i]escape[/i] having eternal life.[/b]

Why would you be so adamant about being "right" in life, when you at least "know" that there is nothing after life. Would you rather look smart, and die and have no legacy, besides living reckless life, than atleast HOPING that there is an afterlife and a God that will bring you to paradise to live forever?
[b]One problem with this argument is that it sounds like the speaker (i.e. you) is describing him/herself. Because what you said can be interpreted as, "I'm a sociopath, but because God's watching I'll act like a normal person."[/b]

[b]I may play a sociopath on the Internet, but in real life I'm just a smartass.[/b]

The only inconsistencies and contradictions are TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT.
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No, Dr. Cakey, don't do it....don't do it...you [i]know[/i] it won't help...don't...do - aw screw it:

[media='']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK7P7uZFf5o[/media]

[quote name='Vough' timestamp='1313909955' post='5458816']
And I thought that the theory was that the Earth was made of molten lava, when a meteor crashed into it and created the moon while the Earth cooled for a million years?
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Accretion -> very hot rocks -> two hot rocks collide -> MOON! -> cool for more than a million years -> water condenses -> most epic rainstorm ever -> and then there were dinosaurs.

...wait, I think I'm missing a few steps...

[Dark]

[i]There's no way to disprove the Resurrection without time travel. Unless you have a suggestion?[/i]

Not to mention that the burden of proof almost never lies with non-theists [i]because[/i] we are the one questioning your claims, not making our own claims. So why don't you prove the Resurrection did happen just to convert all the people on Earth? Sounds like a plan!

Cakey pretty much took care of my response to Vough, although I must say that Pascal's Wager is a [i]really[/i] primitive argument and I hoped that no one would be stupid enough to post it. I guess I have to say... erm... thanks for proving me wrong?

[King of Nothing]

Religion has been a scapegoat used by political figureheads in order to acquire the will of the people.

People think that if someone says they do it "in the name of ____", that means that ____ accepts it. If I learned your name, and killed millions saying I did it in your name, should you be punished? Absolutely not. But that's the way people view God.

Also, under many beliefs, He gave you life. People are entitled to nothing, they need to stop acting like they are.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

[quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1322493901' post='5672138']
Also, under many beliefs, He gave you life. People are entitled to nothing, they need to stop acting like they are.
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Why? Selfishness is a key emotion to keep balance in the world... Plus if I am told by the government I am going to get 1,000 dollars and I don't get it after a few weeks... I am going to feel entitled to it... There are many things that can be owned by many and usually it is the governments responsibility to fill those needs...

[Dark]

[i]People think that if someone says they do it "in the name of ____", that means that ____ accepts it. If I learned your name, and killed millions saying I did it in your name, should you be punished?[/i]

I think your analogy is a bit flawed. I don't tell people in holy religious books to go and spread Christianity or Islam or Judaism or whatever other religion you'd like to follow. At the end of the day, all religions would love to convert everyone on the planet. So if you were to kill someone in my name, you're absolutely retarded. Because I'm not giving you and rationale as to why you should kill someone. When you kill someone under the name of Jesus or Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, regardless of what your actual intent was, people think your rationale was religiously fueled.

Also, completely unrelated, if you did something under my name, I can denounce it. I can claim that I never asked you to kill someone, and in a court of law, you wouldn't have the evidence to prove that I gave you intent to murder someone. God can't vouch for himself if he's up there in the sky, can he? Maybe he was a bit retarded when he wrote his religious texts, since they are pretty bloody ambiguous. They can be misinterpreted so easily, and I find it funny when people tell me that xyz religion is peaceful. When you have texts that are so ambiguous, you aren't particularly able to tell whether the deity wants you to kill people or not. That problem exists in both Islamic and Christian texts, but I vouch for no other religions.