Senpаi Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 [center]Friend: Christianity Me: What about it? I'm not going to convert to it Friend: That's where you should be Me: I don't believe in it though Lool Friend: I'm not going to argue with you over this. Me: I'm not intending to argue over it I'm just saying I don't believe in it's morals even if some of them aren't upheld. If I were to become part of a religion I would want to follow it down to a 'T' Friend: Christianity isn't a religion it's a faith Me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity Wiki says its a religion Friend: But it's not. It's a faith. Me: In your eyes In others it may be a religion Friend: But it's a faith. Me: Okay, explain to me your views You shouldn't be so biased though Friend: Why not? Me: Because it's good to be diverse Friend: If you go around worshiping false gods which is the devil then it's not good you're not following the true God, just the devil you're giving into temptation and it's just wrong! I'm sorry that was a bit harsh Me: But Buddhism isn't a religion or temptation. Lol, it's a faith to live a pure life. And you practically just admitted by using the last sentence that Christianity is a monotheistic religion. And the devil nor God has been proven. It is optional to believe in them and it is down to you to seek your own morals out in life not turn to God. I believe in God, but I believe he would be a nice person. Therefore not send you to hell for having a different faith Friend: No, you should follow God's morals you should turn to God And he will send you to hell if you don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, and God doesn't know you Anyways. Can we stop talking about this I get too frustrated over this Me: So do I! Let's stop because people who have bias and non-diverse views won't accept other peoples points of view. Even if you are right, you wouldn't accept someone else's views, correct? But if you were wrong, then I could just say I told you so. Please tell me you are at least accept homosexuals? Lool Friend: I'm not wrong. And yes of course, I don't agree with that homesexuality is wrong. Me: You might be wrong Friend: You're gay? Me: No But some of my bestfriends are Friend: No, I'm not wrong Me: You could be, I'm not trying to change your mind to say "yes, all religions are right" because that is obviously not you. But you have to be diverse about these things Because I believe you will then be sent to hell Friend: Shut up. Me: And if you believe homosexuality is not wrong but it's written in the bible then how can you say you're right? I'm sorry but yeah Friend: Who are you to judge me and say I'll go to hell. what the f***? Me: I'm not judging you at all for one and for two you said I would be sent to hell for not being a Christian, don't be the black kettle. Friend: k. Me: Lool Seriously, diverse please There's nothing wrong with wanting to have a different faith then Christianity is all I'm saying Friend: 22:50 Ok. I don't really believe in God, I was just making sure she didn't go Schizo on me as she has before. Discuss people with biased beliefs.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 inb4shitstorm On the subject of that conversation, Christianity is, by definition, a religion, but it's not (supposed to be) treated as such by it's followers. Anyway, I think American politics is full of bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senpаi Posted July 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1310422349' post='5346301'] inb4shitstorm On the subject of that conversation, Christianity is, by definition, a religion, but it's not (supposed to be) treated as such by it's followers. Anyway, I think American politics is full of bias. [/quote] Thanks for the info, I wouldn't have known as I have never set foot in a church in my life and never bothered to study Christianity. Imo, any politics is full of bias beliefs; especially in England. The BNP is just fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndlessOcean Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Religion? Biased? NEVER!? OT: Everyone has their own opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Everyone but Agnostics have biased views on religion. I despise not only organized religion but also the concept of a God. See that bias there? Religion is an extremely touchy subject, but it is always the religious who start killing innocents for their beliefs. Don't bring out the Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot argument - they didn't kill because they were Atheists, they killed to further their political ideologies (which happened to exclude religion). In response, you may say that the fact they exclude religion makes them bad. Bad people often give good advice. Nazi researchers were against smoking. The UK Independence Party promote student grants rather than student loans. David Cameron says that multiculturalism should adhere to basic human rights. I am opposed to the concept of a God because I dislike the totalitarianism of it all. God sees all, God hears all, God can read your thoughts and punish you for them - that's Thoughtcrime. You are sentenced to an eternity of agony for thinking sinfully. Thought control is a disgusting creed, whether it be part of a Totalitarian state or a worldwide religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Requiem Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Your friend is right Christianity is not a religion just a highly organized cult that is everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexcalibrate Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 it doesn't matter what you believe we all die the end, if theres actually religion pray you got the right one, preferably it be judaism, they don't believe in hell and have the best spiritual views. oh and yes i am catholic. [quote name='Senpаi' timestamp='1310422580' post='5346316'] Thanks for the info, I wouldn't have known as I have never set foot in a church in my life and never bothered to study Christianity. Imo, any politics is full of bias beliefs; especially in England. The BNP is just fantastic.[/quote]the BNP are a joke, they believe in keeping the bloodline pure,[spoiler='this is what they call pure'][IMG]http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/8616/92b252a026d136c4d16e564.jpg[/IMG][/spoiler]who the f*** whats to preserve that? his own mother and a member of BNP despises "that thing". oh and yes i am british. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 [quote name='Izanagi' timestamp='1310425192' post='5346441'] Your friend is right Christianity is not a religion just a highly organized cult that is everywhere. [/quote] Stop trolling. Religion is a contraversional topic, which has Christianity on the top of the list. It was intended to be a Relationship, but society has turned it into a Religion. Since I know where this is going to go, let us keep this civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maghion Syaoran Light Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 If God is as merciful and great as the Bible claims, then why are non believers automatically banished to Hell along with murdered and rapists? Why should we suffer eternal pain because we decide to believe something that makes a bit more sense to us? That is one thing I don't agree with. How about those people living in villages in middle of the amazon who has no idea there exists Christianity and never heard of the name Jesus? Do they go to hell because they never heard of Jesus? Why is following Buddha or worshiping Allah = worshiping the Devil? To followers of the Buddha or Allah, thats what makes sense to them. And as for deadly sins, why is looking at girls consider a deadly sin? Why overeating is a deadly sin? Overeating and looking at girls in God's eyes = murdering and rape. Thats bullcrap. To be honest, I believe there is a god, and I go to church, but for what? We are going to hell anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 I feel, in terms of radical nature, the monotheistic religions take the cake in making sure people want to convert. I mean, if you aren't a Christian and Christianity is right, you are going to hell for sure. But if you aren't a Buddhist and Buddhism is right, you'll still go to "heaven" because you were a good person. So why the hell would I want to convert to Buddhism? Sign me up for Christianity, because no matter which religion is right, I'll still go to heaven. I can go to heaven from Christianity if it's the correct religion, and I can go to heaven for every other religion because I'm a good person because of Christianity. You know, assuming Islam kind of dies. [quote name='Mr. Striker' timestamp='1310427346' post='5346516'] Stop trolling. Religion is a contraversional topic, which has Christianity on the top of the list. It was intended to be a Relationship, but society has turned it into a Religion. Since I know where this is going to go, let us keep this civil. [/quote] Contraversional? Is that an adjective describing the... different versions of Contra? "intended to be a Relationship" Really? And where did you come to this conclusion? Face it; the first religion was some tribe leader telling his men that they all better do what they are told and act nicely or else they are going to a flaming abyss for all of eternity. Every other religion just branched off of that belief and tweaked a few things, but the main concept is the same. Religion is a scare tactic to get people to do good, and while it used to work, now society has butchered it and it has no purpose in our lives whatsoever. Minus the few people that use religion as a stepping-stool to help society, religion is just the mindless drone of people reading from a book and shoving information into your brain. I hate to quote YouTube, but have you seen "An Atheist Meets God"? The main character was a perfectly good human being: he donated to charity, he lived a life without "sinning" too much, and yet Christianity still dictated that he goes to hell. Just because he doesn't believe in some middle-aged stoner named Jesus he is entitled to an eternity of burning in flames? Yeah, real great religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Requiem Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Striker' timestamp='1310427346' post='5346516'] Stop trolling. Religion is a contraversional topic, which has Christianity on the top of the list. It was intended to be a Relationship, but society has turned it into a Religion. Since I know where this is going to go, let us keep this civil. [/quote] Um not trolling, I am right. Christianity started off as a cult and just went mainstream and spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote name='Maghion Syaoran Light' timestamp='1310429889' post='5346624'] If God is as merciful and great as the Bible claims, then why are non believers automatically banished to Hell along with murdered and rapists? Why should we suffer eternal pain because we decide to believe something that makes a bit more sense to us? That is one thing I don't agree with. How about those people living in villages in middle of the amazon who has no idea there exists Christianity and never heard of the name Jesus? Do they go to hell because they never heard of Jesus? Why is following Buddha or worshiping Allah = worshiping the Devil? To followers of the Buddha or Allah, thats what makes sense to them. And as for deadly sins, why is looking at girls consider a deadly sin? Why overeating is a deadly sin? Overeating and looking at girls in God's eyes = murdering and rape. Thats bullcrap. To be honest, I believe there is a god, and I go to church, but for what? We are going to hell anyways. [/quote] Personal belief is that should there be a god he doesn't care what you believe and judges you on the person you are and the things you do. Also, the 7 sins are fine in moderation, it's just they are some of the easiest things to end in extreme destructive behavior. It's simply presented in the way it is to cause people to avoid doing them out of fear. Also, I've gone to Christian schools for most of my life and they always called it a religion. So yea, idk what your friend is talking about. And because I see bad things happening in this thread I'm going to move it to debates where the conversations that's bound to start here will be in the right spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote name='Maghion Syaoran Light' timestamp='1310429889' post='5346624'] If God is as merciful and great as the Bible claims, then why are non believers automatically banished to Hell along with murdered and rapists? Why should we suffer eternal pain because we decide to believe something that makes a bit more sense to us? That is one thing I don't agree with.How about those people living in villages in middle of the amazon who has no idea there exists Christianity and never heard of the name Jesus? Do they go to hell because they never heard of Jesus? Why is following Buddha or worshiping Allah = worshiping the Devil? To followers of the Buddha or Allah, thats what makes sense to them. And as for deadly sins, why is looking at girls consider a deadly sin? Why overeating is a deadly sin? Overeating and looking at girls in God's eyes = murdering and rape. Thats bullcrap.To be honest, I believe there is a god, and I go to church, but for what? We are going to hell anyways. [/quote] The fact is, hell was intended for Satan and his followers. It wasn't meant for humans at all. Jesus came and died on the cross to give us mercy and grace. Unfortunately for great deal, not accepting it gives hell. Those who hear about Jesus, but don't act are guilty. [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1310432651' post='5346717'] I feel, in terms of radical nature, the monotheistic religions take the cake in making sure people want to convert. I mean, if you aren't a Christian and Christianity is right, you are going to hell for sure. But if you aren't a Buddhist and Buddhism is right, you'll still go to "heaven" because you were a good person. So why the hell would I want to convert to Buddhism? Sign me up for Christianity, because no matter which religion is right, I'll still go to heaven. I can go to heaven from Christianity if it's the correct religion, and I can go to heaven for every other religion because I'm a good person because of Christianity.You know, assuming Islam kind of dies.Contraversional? Is that an adjective describing the... different versions of Contra?"intended to be a Relationship"Really? And where did you come to this conclusion? Face it; the first religion was some tribe leader telling his men that they all better do what they are told and act nicely or else they are going to a flaming abyss for all of eternity. Every other religion just branched off of that belief and tweaked a few things, but the main concept is the same. Religion is a scare tactic to get people to do good, and while it used to work, now society has butchered it and it has no purpose in our lives whatsoever. Minus the few people that use religion as a stepping-stool to help society, religion is just the mindless drone of people reading from a book and shoving information into your brain.I hate to quote YouTube, but have you seen "An Atheist Meets God"? The main character was a perfectly good human being: he donated to charity, he lived a life without "sinning" too much, and yet Christianity still dictated that he goes to hell. Just because he doesn't believe in some middle-aged stoner named Jesus he is entitled to an eternity of burning in flames? Yeah, real great religion. [/quote] You have interesting points Dark, I'll give you that. The majority of Jesus' disciples left him, which left 12. I don't consider Christianity as a scare tactic, even though the thought of hell frightens me due to the vivid descriptions in the Bible. Some of my other comments are above your quote. Also, if you met me irl, you wouldn't consider me mindless. Everyone has a free will to do as they please, but the day will come where the price will be paid. And no, I have not seen it. [quote name='Izanagi' timestamp='1310432704' post='5346720'] Um not trolling, I am right. Christianity started off as a cult and just went mainstream and spread. [/quote] Opinion =/= Being right Also, it has evidence from Jewish Texts (Old Testament if you are keeping track) to back it up. I doubt cults have that to say. @Everyone: Has anyone read "The Case for Christ"? If not, I suggest giving it a read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maghion Syaoran Light Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote]The fact is, hell was intended for Satan and his followers. It wasn't meant for humans at all. Jesus came and died on the cross to give us mercy and grace. Unfortunately for great deal, not accepting it gives hell. Those who hear about Jesus, but don't act are guilty.[/quote] That alone is harsh. We have to believe in Jesus to not go to Hell? So Buddhist, Jews, and many other non-Jesus following religions are going to burn in hell because they have a different belief? And how about those who never had a chance to hear about Jesus? Things would gone a bit more easier if there is tangible proof that Jesus exist and that the Bible's description of Jesus can be proven. God is basically saying "You will only go to heaven if you believe in Jesus but there will be no proof. Your call." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 [i]You have interesting points Dark, I'll give you that. The majority of Jesus' disciples left him, which left 12. I don't consider Christianity as a scare tactic, even though the thought of hell frightens me due to the vivid descriptions in the Bible. Some of my other comments are above your quote. Also, if you met me irl, you wouldn't consider me mindless. Everyone has a free will to do as they please, but the day will come where the price will be paid. And no, I have not seen it.[/i] I consider all religions a scare tactic. Because, when it all boils down to it, what are religions? They are organized groups of people that contact a higher power in order to make a lower group of people do something. It's late, and that's probably terribly worded, but you get the point. How can you say they aren't scare tactics? You are [b]scared[/b] of hell and thus you will [b]whatever is needed[/b] to not go to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1310437638' post='5346883'] [i]You have interesting points Dark, I'll give you that. The majority of Jesus' disciples left him, which left 12. I don't consider Christianity as a scare tactic, even though the thought of hell frightens me due to the vivid descriptions in the Bible. Some of my other comments are above your quote. Also, if you met me irl, you wouldn't consider me mindless. Everyone has a free will to do as they please, but the day will come where the price will be paid. And no, I have not seen it.[/i] I consider all religions a scare tactic. Because, when it all boils down to it, what are religions? They are organized groups of people that contact a higher power in order to make a lower group of people do something. It's late, and that's probably terribly worded, but you get the point. How can you say they aren't scare tactics? You are [b]scared[/b] of hell and thus you will [u]do[/u] [b]whatever is needed[/b] to not go to hell. [/quote] I see what you are saying Dark. Allow me to say this, don't most Religions have a list of do and don't? An example is Judaism. They have tons of Religious laws they have to follow. Laws for sickness, laws for sacrifices, etc. Christianity, well we have the Great Commission. And I quote from Matthew 28:19, "So you must go and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." It is late so this should be my last statement for the night. @Maghion: Scholars cannot deny the facts that Jesus did live 2,000 years ago. the only question is if he was risen from the dead. You may think it is harsh, but there are many opportunities in a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Everyone is biased based on their upbringing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote name='Welche' timestamp='1310492681' post='5348446'] Everyone is biased based on their upbringing. [/quote] I was brought up by christian parents who wanted me to believe in God. I'm an atheist. But in the majority of cases, you're right. On the topic of the OP's conversation, it's surprising how many Christians don't know their own religion. Catholics invented the idea of hell as a method to scare people into believing in and worshiping God, and regardless, who wants to worship a God who's obviously an a****** anyway? On the topic of the thread, bias will always occur, no matter what, personally I prefer to know all the facts before forming an opinion of anything, being bias towards something only reduces your credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the christian stereotype (?), or that part of the christian bible resenting other religions is kinda BS >_> There really is no "False god", theres always a god based on your beliefs , with the exception of atheists, and Christianity shouldn't be allowed to change your perspective on how you see religion. I'm not trying to rip on Christians, even if it sounds like I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Striker' timestamp='1310449795' post='5347223'] I see what you are saying Dark. Allow me to say this, don't most Religions have a list of do and don't? An example is Judaism. They have tons of Religious laws they have to follow. Laws for sickness, laws for sacrifices, etc. Christianity, well we have the Great Commission. And I quote from Matthew 28:19, "So you must go and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." It is late so this should be my last statement for the night. @Maghion: Scholars cannot deny the facts that Jesus did live 2,000 years ago. the only question is if he was risen from the dead. You may think it is harsh, but there are many opportunities in a lifetime. [/quote] ...I said that [b]all[/b] religions were a scare tactic, not just Christianity. If that doesn't respond to your first paragraph, I'm not really sure why you wrote it in the first place. And no, I will agree that a man named Jesus lived somewhere in Eurasia or Africa, but I will not agree that a man named Jesus lived and performed miracles and was nailed to a cross. [quote name='Welche' timestamp='1310492681' post='5348446'] Everyone is biased based on their upbringing. [/quote] I'm anti-biased; I was brought up to be religious but now I don't like religion. :[b][/b]S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Striker' timestamp='1310435177' post='5346804'] The fact is, hell was intended for Satan and his followers. It wasn't meant for humans at all. Jesus came and died on the cross to give us mercy and grace. Unfortunately for great deal, not accepting it gives hell.[b] Those who hear about Jesus, but don't act are guilty.[/b] [/quote] Normally I like to stay out of purely religious debates, but I just had a single comment to make here. If we take it that the only people who are "guilty" are those who hear of Jesus but ignore him, doesn't that logically mean we shouldn't teach ANYONE about Jesus? I mean, the less people who are aware of him in the first place, the less people can be held account for that. Assuming that only guilty people go to hell, that implies that the only reason people go to hell is because they were informed about Christ. I've always found religions to be fascinating, to be honest. I don't really believe much in any of them, but the idea of an almighty creator, especially one who cares about his creations, is such a romantic idea that I can easily see why thousands of years of literature has been written about it. Many of my personal idols were religious, and I can see why they were- and even respect that. Heck, I'll even admit the Bible is one of my favorite pieces of literature ever written. Basically, I think religion lets people think that they're caught up in something greater than themselves. On one hand, that can lead to courage, compassion and selflessness... but on the other, they refuse to acknowledgement things that challenge their beliefs, and that blindspot can turn dangerous quick. It's because of their ability to reject purely logical fact in favor of a greater "truth" that they can stay strong even in the face of adversity... which, in certain cases, leads to conversation like the OP's. [i]What no this totally wasn't my essay thesis.[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Striker' timestamp='1310435177' post='5346804'] The fact is, hell was intended for Satan and his followers. It wasn't meant for humans at all. Jesus came and died on the cross to give us mercy and grace. Unfortunately for great deal, not accepting it gives hell. Those who hear about Jesus, but don't act are guilty. Opinion =/= Being right [/quote] Why don't we take your wonderful little quote there and dramatically apply it to a very good point? Josef Stalin. Ruler of the Soviet Union and famous murderer (not a real Communist, I must stress). Stalin marched into Eastern Europe and the Balkans imposing his warped semi-fascist brand of "Communism" onto millions of innocent people. He converted many (remind you of anything?) and conquered them all. He killed or exiled then killed anyone who opposed him. He believed (and imposed this belief on others) that you must convert people to your destructive ideology, or as you wonderfully quoted from Matthew 28:19, "So you must go and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.". Once again - remind you of anything? Anyone who heard about Stalinism but didn't accept and love it were "guilty" of Thoughtcrime - the crime of choice for all Totalitarian states and punishable most often by death. As you so poisonously said, those who hear about Jesus but don't act are "guilty" also of Thoughtcrime - the crime of choice for all Totalitarian states. However, rather than simply death, the delightful punishment for [b]DISAGREEING[/b] (it deserves bold capitals for LOUD, BOOMING EMPHASIS) with a bunch of cultists-gone-mainstream is excruciating pain and torture that goes on forever. FOREVER. Notice how the two link up identically? One is considered the most hideous crime in History, the other of vital importance to every living being, or as the idiotic interpretation of your Holy Book called it, "Good News". Stalin believed in something horrible. Christians believe in something horrible. Are either right? In their own minds, yes. I quote you again: [quote name='Mr. Striker' timestamp='1310435177' post='5346804'] Opinion =/= Being right [/quote] [quote name='Welche' timestamp='1310492681' post='5348446'] Everyone is biased based on their upbringing. [/quote] You're talking to an ex-devout Roman Catholic. I was raised a Catholic by my very Conservative Catholic family, though after much reading (The Bible, Marx, Hitchens, C.S. Lewis' Christian Apologist Arguments, Hume, Paley et al.) I began to question not only the existence of God, but the concept of religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I am comepletely biased when it comes to my beliefs however I dont act like your friend there... This is why I believe in Roman Paganology because there is no heaven there is only a hell, which is why I believe in apotheosis so I can escape it... I also believe it cuz it makes sense to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 *le raises hand meekly* Arab Christians still call "God" "Allah" because "Allah" is simply a translation of the word "God" People treat Allah like some foreign deity =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Ah see you begun to question. That implies you didn't always question. Furthermore, I count the books you read as part of your "upbringing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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