Umbra Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 @megamaster: That would be reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 NO. STOP THINKING LIKE A MIDDLE SCHOOLER AND ACCEPT DEFEAT. Infinity is not a number' date=' it is a concept. All equations involving it are undefined.[/quote'] well it is a concept meaning a number undefiened. but basiclly infinite - infinite equals to 0 cause both numbers cancel each other. Come back after you've taken Pre-Calc. The relationship between two infinite values depends on the limit process by which they were derived. According to the M:tG rules on infinate combos' date=' you must define a number for infinity. For instance, if I play a combo that gives me infinate life, I can't just say I have infinate life, I'm required to pick a specific number. That number can be whatever I choose, since my options are infinate. I could pick 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 as the number I choose to stop at, but I must stop at some number. I would assume rules for infinity would apply in the same way for Yu-gi-oh.[/quote'] That sounds reasonable...although Airknight Parshath with 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ATK doesn't feel quite as awesome as an Airknight Parshath with unlimited ATK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I think we can say that there are two 'infinites'. 1 is the 'Obelisk' infinite that never ends. Here we can say that [Old LP] + [infinite] - [infinite] = [Old LP]But this Infinite does not exist in the TCG. What does exist in the TCG are combo's which can give a monster any atk of your choice. Megamaster explained this right. And if you have offered such a monster for Mystic Wok and your opponent does a combo that gives his monster any atk of his choice, he could just give his monster a little more atk points then life points that you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under_Age_User Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Here we can say that [Old LP] + [infinite] - [infinite] = [Old LP] STOP! Stop talking! You clearly have no idea what infinity means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 NO. STOP THINKING LIKE A MIDDLE SCHOOLER AND ACCEPT DEFEAT. Infinity is not a number' date=' it is a concept. All equations involving it are undefined.[/quote'] well it is a concept meaning a number undefiened. but basiclly infinite - infinite equals to 0 cause both numbers cancel each other. Come back after you've taken Pre-Calc. The relationship between two infinite values depends on the limit process by which they were derived. listen, if both have a limit which will be set then the infinite minusing it will minus it equals to 0. basiclly when you play and you get o life points but you opponents attacks you with infinite ATK you LOSE. actually there should be a rule that if you have infinite Life Points you win. but there is no such possibilty of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 isten, if both have a limit which will be set How are you setting the limit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abstract [Atrocity] Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Where do I start? Even with a combo like DMoC + LSoA, you can't get to infinity. all youcan do is just reach a REALLY high number. you can't get to infinity, nomatter what you try. Sure, you can go to a trillion ATK, but you justkeep going higher and higher, never reaching infinity, because infinityisn't a number that can be reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 NO. STOP THINKING LIKE A MIDDLE SCHOOLER AND ACCEPT DEFEAT. Infinity is not a number' date=' it is a concept. All equations involving it are undefined.[/quote'] well it is a concept meaning a number undefiened. but basiclly infinite - infinite equals to 0 cause both numbers cancel each other. Come back after you've taken Pre-Calc. The relationship between two infinite values depends on the limit process by which they were derived. listen, if both have a limit which will be set then the infinite minusing it will minus it equals to 0. basiclly when you play and you get o life points but you opponents attacks you with infinite ATK you LOSE. actually there should be a rule that if you have infinite Life Points you win. but there is no such possibilty of it. Stop talking about setting limits and "minusing" infinities. It's just wrong. The limit of x^4 as x approaches infinity and the limit of x^4 + x! as x approaches infinity are both undefined; however, we can see from the method used to determine them that subtracting one from the other gives us the limit of -x! as x approaches infinity, which is itself undefined, as it approaches an infinitely negative value. Where do I start? Even with a combo like DMoC + LSoA' date=' you can't get to infinity. all youcan do is just reach a REALLY high number. you can't get to infinity, nomatter what you try. Sure, you can go to a trillion ATK, but you justkeep going higher and higher, never reaching infinity, because infinityisn't a number that can be reached.[/quote'] True, but you can approach infinity by getting as arbitrarily close to an infinite value as you wish. That's why limits are helpful in the theoretical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 this whole discussion is based off of belief of what Infinity means, if your Life Points reach infinity and then you get attacked by Infinity Atk, stop the duel for you cannot do the equation. End it in a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco Straybyrn Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I stopped at belief. It's not belief, it's FACT that infinity is a CONCEPT. It cannot have a set limit, and any equation involving it cannot have a definite answer. Infinity - Infinity = Undefined. End discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Wait, which type of infinity are we talking about? Counting number infinity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 ...I give up. Your obviously don't see where I'm getting at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under_Age_User Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 ...I give up. Your obviously don't see where I'm getting at this. You're obviously not going anywhere with this convo, seeing as how you can't even understand the concept of infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Okay all you have done for 2 days straight is harrass me and my opinions, It's getting very old, and very aggitating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 We just disagree with people who are wrong. Stop being wrong, and we'll stop disagreeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I'm not being wrong, I'm stating my opinions and you two bash them around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 If i had had a monster with infinite ATK...I wouldnt tribute it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitize Me Cap'n! Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 This thread sucks. Learn to math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under_Age_User Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I'm not being wrong' date=' I'm stating my opinions and you two bash them around.[/quote'] No one gives a **** about your opinion, since this topic is entirely about facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 the thing is there is no such thing as infinate, there are continuous loops and controlled loops. All controlled loops can only be commited once per turn and for a certain amount depicted by the controller. The continuous loops destroys the cause of the loop after the loop proves useless. This is usualy called out by a judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyuzhg Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 To anyone who doesn't believe in infinity: Infinity does exist as a "replacement" for regular numbers, as well as a concept. For example, in geometry, what is the definition of a line? How would you measure its length? Also, how would you measure the levels of gravity in the singularity of a black hole, in m/s squared? How many digits does a repeating decimal have. Likewise, how many numbers exist between 0 and 1? These questions cannot be answered with just our regular number line. So, it is possible for a monster to have infinite ATK/DEF. Don't argue back at me "still, infinity is the concept of the neverending", because although infinity IS neverending, you can't say that for "neverending metres", but as a counting number, it is possible- ∞ metres. Try not to insult the anime creators.I'm not being wrong' date=' I'm stating my opinions and you two bash them around.[/quote'] No one gives a **** about your opinion, since this topic is entirely about facts. Also, although I am new to posting, please open up your mind and think clearly. Discussions don't have to be completely based on fact. Also, neither of you have real proof, solid proof that your opinion (yes, opinion) about infinity, is true. Also, that reply is also your opinion about his opinion and the entire topic. Now that is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 lolNecrobump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 lolNecrobump This is an interesting topic, though. One that deserves reviving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkoMaun Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 If i had had a monster with infinite ATK...I wouldnt tribute it!yeah, thx for going extremely off topic. It really is an interesting topic, but everything has been told about it, so let's let it die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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