Fusion X. Denver Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='iKira' timestamp='1349649764' post='6039871'] [spoiler "Spoilers containing recent manga reveal"] If Kakashi died during the Pain arc, the whole Obito reveal would be near meaningless. Sure he can still complain about Kakashi's failure, but one the whole, it wouldn't mean much anymore since Kakashi can't revisit the whole situation and/or deal with the mindfnck that his best friend, whom he's been paying homage to since the first episode (the whole lateness thing as well visiting the memorial. Or being late BECAUSE of the memorial. Both really). It was kinda of awkward, and I would've avoided the whole death all together looking back, but while killing Kakashi during the Pain Attack might have been beneficial then, it certainly would ruin things later on. [/spoiler] [/quote] True. I was strictly speaking with dealing Kakashi as a character and how it'd be best to go killing him off. It's definitely best that he stuck around to come to face with Obito, but now I believe he has even more plot armor than Naruto because of Pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 You're all depressing me with this Kakashi death talk. I think that Naruto's more likely to die than he is. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Kakashi Hatake' timestamp='1349666698' post='6040060'] You're all depressing me with this Kakashi death talk. I think that Naruto's more likely to die than he is. xD [/quote] I kind of agree with that, haha. I've heard a lot of people say the inevitable Sasuke/Naruto battle will end with both of their deaths, which makes sense because of the not-so-subtle foreshadowing Naruto provided in their last confrontation. But then, I wouldn't really feel right if either of them died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Kakashi Hatake' timestamp='1349666698' post='6040060'] You're all depressing me with this Kakashi death talk. I think that Naruto's more likely to die than he is. xD [/quote] But that's what I meant when I said he has more plot armor than Naruto right now .3. I dunno, I'm just trying to think of what the point in killing them both off would serve aside from "cuz it's sad and tragic". At least with Naruto becoming Hokage, that'd give the series meaning in tracking the progress of a no-good loser into a beloved hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1349668524' post='6040078'] But that's what I meant when I said he has more plot armor than Naruto right now .3. I dunno, I'm just trying to think of what the point in killing them both off would serve aside from "cuz it's sad and tragic". At least with Naruto becoming Hokage, that'd give the series meaning in tracking the progress of a no-good loser into a beloved hero. [/quote] Hey, since they're all united now as shinobi, what if the villages become a nation with Naruto as the president? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Maybe he becomes Hokage before he fights Sasuke, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Kakashi Hatake' timestamp='1349668865' post='6040082'] Hey, since they're all united now as shinobi, what if the villages become a nation with Naruto as the president? [/quote] Well, technically that's how things were; now they're all locked in a formal alliance with one another. And those are just the Shinobi villages, the real political powers are reserved in the Daimyos. [quote name='Jester Head' timestamp='1349669082' post='6040083'] Maybe he becomes Hokage before he fights Sasuke, haha. [/quote] Depends when they fight =P Kishimoto stated in an interview if Naruto were to become Hokage, that'd probably be the last scene/part of the manga. But he's also gone back on his word before, so that's not a given. It's just what's most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.WHAM Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Jester Head' timestamp='1349667141' post='6040064'] I kind of agree with that, haha. I've heard a lot of people say the inevitable Sasuke/Naruto battle will end with both of their deaths, which makes sense because of the not-so-subtle foreshadowing Naruto provided in their last confrontation. But then, I wouldn't really feel right if either of them died. [/quote] [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1349669643' post='6040090'] Well, technically that's how things were; now they're all locked in a formal alliance with one another. And those are just the Shinobi villages, the real political powers are reserved in the Daimyos. Depends when they fight =P Kishimoto stated in an interview if Naruto were to become Hokage, that'd probably be the last scene/part of the manga. But he's also gone back on his word before, so that's not a given. It's just what's most likely. [/quote] Naruto won't die in his fight with Sasuke. I think it'll be more like with what happened with Ozai in Avatar. He'll beat him and if Sasuke isn't convinced by then (the way he's headed currently he might go back o being the cool avenger he once was instead of this...), Naruto will fulfill his word and then become Hokage. Of course I could be wrong. As for when the fight happens, it'll have a better impact if it is when Naruto is [s]President of the Ninjas[/s] Hokage. I cannot imagine the tales of Naruto as Hokage but the fillers have been pretty good at filling so eh who knows. However, if Naruto dies, I quit. It's not like Bleach or One Piece where we know the protagonist's name and what he wants; Naruto is the name and purpose of the manga. The Series is his life and if/when he dies it has to end. I don't even want to see a funeral just that chapter ending the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Nah, if anything, Naruto can only become Hokage after he fights Sasuke. He even said how could he become Hokage if he couldn't save one friend? Sasuke will most likely be his last challenge, then the manga will flash forward to him becoming Hokage and we see a happy end for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 If Naruto beats Obito and Madara...I feel like the fight with Sasuke shouldn't be too difficult haha. And I really hope the fight ends with Naruto pulling something like this because Sasuke needs to literal crap beaten out of him by the end in my opinion. (Skip to 1:30) [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Xf5_lGau8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Xf5_lGau8[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 [quote name='Jester Head' timestamp='1349744690' post='6040635'] If Naruto beats Obito and Madara...I feel like the fight with Sasuke shouldn't be too difficult haha. And I really hope the fight ends with Naruto pulling something like this because Sasuke needs to literal crap beaten out of him by the end in my opinion. (Skip to 1:30) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Xf5_lGau8[/media] [/quote] That was a great movie. Everybody should watch it. But Jason's situation is different than Sasuke's. :T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 [quote name='Kakashi Hatake' timestamp='1349747278' post='6040661'] That was a great movie. Everybody should watch it. But Jason's situation is different than Sasuke's. :T [/quote] I know, I just mean Naruto telling Sasuke to open his eyes as he proceeds to beat the crap out of him near the end of the fight. Sasuke's kind of been portrayed as the stronger for most of the series until recently, so I think it'd be sweet for Naruto to have a definite upper hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Everyone is expecting and probably wanting Naruto to win their rematch, myself included. My greatest fear is that Kishi shows them facing each other about to fight, and then the next chapter flashes to the future and it's implied how the result turned out rather than seeing it ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1349748041' post='6040676'] Everyone is expecting and probably wanting Naruto to win their rematch, myself included. My greatest fear is that Kishi shows them facing each other about to fight, and then the next chapter flashes to the future and it's implied how the result turned out rather than seeing it ourselves. [/quote] That'd be stupid. He'd get so much hate for that haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 No kidding. I think his biggest worries are with who he pairs people up with by the end of the series, lol. Or if he trolls everyone and doesn't show who ended up with who. I wouldn't care as much, though I'd still be a little disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I don't care about the pairings so much at this point, I'd rather see a relationship develop than Kishi just saying who ended up with who, and I don't know how much longer the series has to make that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.WHAM Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 The pairings, as important as they are, will not be shown anytime soon and you can see where they are headed off character growth alone. Like when Naruto told Sakura he doesn't like liars was in essence him saying he's over her. And Naruto may not have a choice in becoming Hokage before he defeats Sasuke. It'll be really interesting though, to see if Sasuke becomes Hokage by some weird logic and bylaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 There's no way that an S-Rank criminal could be Hokage. :T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 [quote name='Jester Head' timestamp='1349748633' post='6040682'] I don't care about the pairings so much at this point, I'd rather see a relationship develop than Kishi just saying who ended up with who, and I don't know how much longer the series has to make that happen. [/quote] I could dig that. Though I doubt there's much room for more romance during the final clash. We might get a chapter's worth during the aftermath though, I could deal with that. [quote name='Mr.WHAM' timestamp='1349754398' post='6040723'] The pairings, as important as they are, will not be shown anytime soon and you can see where they are headed off character growth alone. Like when Naruto told Sakura he doesn't like liars was in essence him saying he's over her. And Naruto may not have a choice in becoming Hokage before he defeats Sasuke. It'll be really interesting though, to see if Sasuke becomes Hokage by some weird logic and bylaws. [/quote] I don't think they're going to focus on "We need a new Hokage, stat!" in the state of things as opposed to "We need to beat the sh*t out of these fools and save the world!" you know? Unless the battle with Sasuke happens way later. Maybe it will be set a few years later, though honestly it'd probably work out better if they duke it out soon after the war ends. But Sasuke becoming Hokage is pretty impossible right now like Lemons said; maybe if he didn't get such a f*cked up vendetta after killing Itachi, it could have gone in that direction, but it wouldn't be as easy to swallow over Naruto becoming Hokage, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.WHAM Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1349784200' post='6040879'] I don't think they're going to focus on "We need a new Hokage, stat!" in the state of things as opposed to "We need to beat the sh*t out of these fools and save the world!" you know? Unless the battle with Sasuke happens way later. Maybe it will be set a few years later, though honestly it'd probably work out better if they duke it out soon after the war ends. But Sasuke becoming Hokage is pretty impossible right now like Lemons said; maybe if he didn't get such a f*cked up vendetta after killing Itachi, it could have gone in that direction, but it wouldn't be as easy to swallow over Naruto becoming Hokage, you know? [/quote] I should point out that the whole Hokage statements were aimed after the War is finished and before Naruto battles Sasuke. And by weird "laws" I mean a scenario like this: [Spoiler=How Sasuke becomes Hokage] Tsunade dies/becomes unable to use ANY justu (even tai) so she can no longer be Hokage. Kakashi becomes Hokage in her stead. They find Sasuke after he talks to these mysterious people, who is currently deciding how he wqants to deal with Konoha, whether or not he wants to "Destroy" it(by changing the systems flaws by breaking it down and rebuilding it) or Wipe out the village. He is met by Kakashi, Sai, & Sakura who all convince him to come to Konoha and see the village in this new light. Naruto is currently away searching for an important nin like Orochimaru or the remains of Madara the Fire lord whatever, so he is not aroundto get this news, but he will be back after he's done with the mission. On the way back, Sasuke is knocked unconscious and Kakashi is killed. Once this happens Sasuke reawakens, everyone heavily injured. Sai knows some laws and there must be a Hokage and if he was killed on a mission, one of his comrades may take up the mantle temporarily until voted upon by the council once they return to the village. Sakura and Sai both elect Sasuke, challenging his newfound "trust" in Konoha. (Trust is a bad choice of word I know, but it's all I can think of atm.) So they return to the village, inform the Elders of what happened and have ninjas check their memories to confirm. The make note of Sasuke's power and in a strange twist of events the choose him instead of the other candidates. A few weeks/months later Naruto returns and finds Sasuke to be the Hokage. I just want to make note I thought of a moment in here in which Sasuke was just using everyone to plot his revenge on Konoha and replaced everyone's memory with a Genjustu even his. A whole bunch of bs happens which causes an uprising in the village people pick sides and a Civil War erupts in the leaf ending with the Final fight. Before the war erupts, Gaara was called in as a Negotiator and such. This would be an awesome ending to Naruto. [/spoiler] As for the war, you're exactly right, they have to focus on that before they change subjects or Change onto Sasuke immediately as the big fight starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Actually That could make for a good fanfic; Sasuke infiltrating the Leaf and usurping political power as Hokage for Naruto to overcome. I don't think that'd work too well now since it'd be weird to end the series on that type of scenario, but it's an interesting alternate take. Actually, some people were thinking Danzo would do something like that and it'd be up to Naruto to overthrow his regime and take back the village and put it on the right path. But then Sasuke happened :T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.WHAM Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I'm so glad Sasuke happened too. I hated Danzo, he made my skin crawl and my eyes hurt looking at him. Now I know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1349421159' post='6038249'] I've seen my fair share of ShinoHana, though ShinoTen seems to be the most popular Shino pairing. Yeah, though it might make more sense to just lump any of the weekly series I'm reading into it. I messed around with the idea of a vlog "reviewing" all those weekly chapters and having a winner each week, but I dunno. [/quote] Bah, NejiTen > ShinoTen. I want everyone in the Konoha 11 to have someone to be with, so I guess I'll start shipping ShinoHana, although it could easily be confused for pairing Shino with Hinata's sister and not Kiba's. My Naruto OTP is still ShikaTema. The only conflicting pairings I have are NaruSaku and GaaSaku, although I guess NaruHina could fix that. I'm not as big a fan of NaruHina as I am NaruSaku, but I think Kishimoto really needs to develop them before the series ends. Actually, come to think of it, Gaara is paired with all of the girls of the Konoha 11 except Tenten. So, preferred Konoha 11 pairings? Yes, I am a rabid shipper. Why do you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.WHAM Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I know very little of the apparent amounts of shipping going on in Naruto but the matter is I am faithfully dedicated to 1: NaruHina. It's my favorite and why, I do ask. And I've never heard of GaaSaku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 [quote name='Mr.WHAM' timestamp='1349841217' post='6041381'] I'm so glad Sasuke happened too. I hated Danzo, he made my skin crawl and my eyes hurt looking at him. Now I know why. [/quote] I swear, Danzo is pretty much the third most important villain in terms of how much he screwed people over, since he put Kabuto and Sasuke in a state where they could be manipulated by Orochimaru, and allowed Madara and Obito to do the same to do the same to Nagato. Seriously, not even Orochimaru screwed things over this much, and he's pretty much an example of Contemplate Our Navels making you evil, like Vaati or Xehanort. [quote name='Mr.WHAM' timestamp='1349845745' post='6041403'] I know very little of the apparent amounts of shipping going on in Naruto but the matter is I am faithfully dedicated to 1: NaruHina. It's my favorite and why, I do ask. And I've never heard of GaaSaku [/quote] Dude, Naruto has probably one of the most rabid shipping fandoms I've ever seen. Now I'm reminded of Naruto Chat Rooms. They were pretty fun variations on fanfiction, and had some fun dabbling in random pairings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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