Phantom Roxas Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326689458' post='5766474']Lol, I remember this a while back. I checked on Narutopedia, apparently they're two different techniques. Kushina's are her own jutsu and the ones Tobi used are supposedly a power of the Outer Paths that's chained to the receives embedded in the jinchuriki.[/quote] Either way, it's because of the Rinnegan. DNA, eyes, and rampaging beasts are what this series is about. [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326689458' post='5766474']I think he could get Uzumaki cells easily. Kushina did leave strands of her hair throughout a forest >.> And Tobi could have swigged a drop of blood from baby Naruto or [b]taken something from Kushina when he kidnapped her.[/b][/quote] Damn it, Fusion, do you have any idea how many fanfics you have just spawned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1326690831' post='5766503'] Damn it, Fusion, do you have any idea how many fanfics you have just spawned? [/quote] ... DAMMIT FUSE [img]http://img3.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire1/2c22a2e19ab61307b3a32710cd8f335c1227924297_full.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326690775' post='5766502'] Arguing that you need more broken to counter broken is dumb because that's not balanced at all ._. That's the twist. THERE ARE MORE THAN 2. [/quote] Well Since both opponents will be broken, then they'll be equally devastating to each other, won't they? Naruto will both pwn and be pwned is what I'm trying to say here; his brokenness won't change that. [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1326690831' post='5766503'] Either way, it's because of the Rinnegan. DNA, eyes, and rampaging beasts are what this series is about. [b]True.[/b] Damn it, Fusion, do you have any idea how many fanfics you have just spawned? [b]...[/b] [b]I must atone for my sins.[/b] [b]I guess I'll force myself to watch a Mermaid Melody fandub.[/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326691052' post='5766507']... DAMMIT FUSE [img]http://img3.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire1/2c22a2e19ab61307b3a32710cd8f335c1227924297_full.jpg[/img][/quote] What anime is that even from? [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326691266' post='5766514']Well Since both opponents will be broken, then they'll be equally devastating to each other, won't they? Naruto will both pwn and be pwned is what I'm trying to say here; his brokenness won't change that.[/quote] As much as I love Tobi as a villain, his fighting style is really unremarkable, just because he always fights indirectly. The page where you see his hands glowing with chakra was really one of my favorite scenes with Tobi "fighting". So far, his only real fights have been against Konan and the current battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1326691665' post='5766520'] As much as I love Tobi as a villain, his fighting style is really unremarkable, just because he always fights indirectly. The page where you see his hands glowing with chakra was really one of my favorite scenes with Tobi "fighting". So far, his only real fights have been against Konan and the current battle. [/quote] This is true. The Minato fight was pretty good, though. They confronted directly and Minato "won" fair and square. We'll probably see what he can really do once he becomes the 10 tailed jinchuriki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1326691665' post='5766520'] What anime is that even from? [/quote] I have no idea =o I just googled, couldn't find a captioned pic for Naruto, and found that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326691881' post='5766523']This is true. The Minato fight was pretty good, though. They confronted directly and Minato "won" fair and square. We'll probably see what he can really do once he becomes the 10 tailed jinchuriki. [/quote] I can't believe I forgot the Minato battle, because that definitely counts. I look forward to the unmasked Tobi becoming the Jyuubi's Jinchuriki. That would make one hell of a final boss, even if it's supposed to be Sasuke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1326692498' post='5766531'] I can't believe I forgot the Minato battle, because that definitely counts. I look forward to the unmasked Tobi becoming the Jyuubi's Jinchuriki. That would make one hell of a final boss, even if it's supposed to be Sasuke. [/quote] Unless Kishi envisioned his ending for the past few years, I wouldn't hold it to Sasuke being the last villain, because he said Kakashi would get his own year and that Sakura would be more of a heroine and none of that happened. The Ten Tails and Tobi will be one hell of a final boss, I'm hoping Naruto and Sasuke will team up to take him down, maybe even Sakura and Kakashi too for a Team 7 fight, whatever works. Unmasked Tobi probably looks gross... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 True, he could always change his mind, but I think the final boss is a pretty major thing that you want solid in you're head, although if we're expecting it to be Sasuke, then it won't be much of a surprise. Even if our only options are Sasuke and Tobi (I really doubt that Kabuto will be the final boss, or even Orochimaru), it will still be nice to be a little bit surprising. I just hope the bizarre and baseless "Tobi is future Sasuke!" theories are wrong. I do think that "Villain = Hero's future self" is underutilized (That or I haven't seen enough examples), but I just really don't want it to the case here. From what we've seen Tobi's face, he'll definitely look hideous when he's fully unmasked. I'm hoping he gets rejuvenated shortly after, but I doubt that will happen unless being infused with the Jyuubi will cause that. Either way, he'll most likely take the Jyuubi's form, which hopefully doesn't result in his existence being obliterated. I've had enough of that. I just wonder how Naruto will defeat it. At this point, it will be a major cop-out to have Sasuke redeemed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeMaster Calvin Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 <3 HEY GUYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 @Calvin - Hai~ @Fuse - Since Mermaid Melody is the anime name for Pichi Pichi Pich I suggest having a bucket nearby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1326693247' post='5766541'] True, he could always change his mind, but I think the final boss is a pretty major thing that you want solid in you're head, although if we're expecting it to be Sasuke, then it won't be much of a surprise. Even if our only options are Sasuke and Tobi (I really doubt that Kabuto will be the final boss, or even Orochimaru), it will still be nice to be a little bit surprising. I just hope the bizarre and baseless "Tobi is future Sasuke!" theories are wrong. I do think that "Villain = Hero's future self" is underutilized (That or I haven't seen enough examples), but I just really don't want it to the case here. From what we've seen Tobi's face, he'll definitely look hideous when he's fully unmasked. I'm hoping he gets rejuvenated shortly after, but I doubt that will happen unless being infused with the Jyuubi will cause that. Either way, he'll most likely take the Jyuubi's form, which hopefully doesn't result in his existence being obliterated. I've had enough of that. I just wonder how Naruto will defeat it. At this point, it will be a major cop-out to have Sasuke redeemed. [/quote] I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of Tobi being future Sasuke, but I don't think that would work as well as Izuna or the Rikudo Sage. If Sasuke could time travel, he would have a much easier time of gathering bijuu and Rinnegan. And yes, I have this dream that when the Ten Tails is revived, it'll burst out of the moon in an epic rage before Tobi seals it inside himself. Everyone here said I was stupid for thinking that, but a guy can dream :T <-The moon's big, so Moon's Eye Plan wouldn't be foiled I don't know how they'll defeat it, but I kinda think Sasuke will be redeemed. The whole point of Shippuden was the journeys of Naruto and Sasuke and Naruto has gone on about bringing Sasuke back the whole time. If Sasuke doesn't at least change before the end, then all of that was pointless and Naruto has no hope of ending the cycle of hatred. And if you think about it, if Naruto can make a mass of hatred like Kurama have a change of heart, how could Sasuke [i]not[/i] come around? [quote name='PokeMaster Calvin' timestamp='1326696227' post='5766568'] <3 HEY GUYS [/quote] ohey buddeh PSN is FXDenver15, finally made it. [quote name='~Fluttershy~' timestamp='1326717191' post='5766680'] Since Mermaid Melody is the anime name for Pichi Pichi Pich I suggest having a bucket nearby [/quote] Uh Uh Uh Um NO THAT'S TOO HARSH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326690775' post='5766502'] Arguing that you need more broken to counter broken is dumb because that's not balanced at all ._. [/quote] Buu v everyone else in DBZ Seemed to work fine ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='iRemo' timestamp='1326728419' post='5766764'] Buu v everyone else in DBZ Seemed to work fine ._. [/quote] Black doesn't like DBZ, as blasphemous as that sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326729241' post='5766781'] Black doesn't like DBZ, as blasphemous as that sounds. [/quote] Yeah, I know =/ I was just pointing out that broken v broken [i]can [/i]sometimes be fun to watch Like a battle of the titans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='iRemo' timestamp='1326728419' post='5766764'] Buu v everyone else in DBZ [/quote] Buu would loose. Keep in mind that Goku and Vegeta still have yet to unleash their SS4 Also keep in mind that Syn Shenron has yet to appear after him Yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Ongaku Matsuri' timestamp='1326733021' post='5766857'] Buu would loose. Keep in mind that Goku and Vegeta still have yet to unleash their SS4 Also keep in mind that Syn Shenron has yet to appear after him Yeah [/quote] Thar, Thar, Thar, Thar. Thar. DBGT doesn't count, silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326733944' post='5766875'] Thar, Thar, Thar, Thar. Thar. DBGT doesn't count, silly. [/quote] Figured that out. *facedesk* But still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 In [i]this [/i]club GT = as fake as AF And I kinda wish Vegeta went ssj3 at the end =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='iRemo' timestamp='1326735467' post='5766909'] In [i]this [/i]club GT = as fake as AF And I kinda wish Vegeta went ssj3 at the end =/ [/quote] What's wrong with SSJ4 Gogeta? :L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Vegeta's honor would never allow him to achieve ssj4 with a machine That being said, ssj4 gogeta wouldn't even be possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I said BALANCED, Remo, not fun to watch. Broken IS fun, but by GOOD =/ (null) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326723314' post='5766699']I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of Tobi being future Sasuke, but I don't think that would work as well as Izuna or the Rikudo Sage. If Sasuke could time travel, he would have a much easier time of gathering bijuu and Rinnegan. And yes, I have this dream that when the Ten Tails is revived, it'll burst out of the moon in an epic rage before Tobi seals it inside himself. Everyone here said I was stupid for thinking that, but a guy can dream :T <-The moon's big, so Moon's Eye Plan wouldn't be foiled I don't know how they'll defeat it, but I kinda think Sasuke will be redeemed. The whole point of Shippuden was the journeys of Naruto and Sasuke and Naruto has gone on about bringing Sasuke back the whole time. If Sasuke doesn't at least change before the end, then all of that was pointless and Naruto has no hope of ending the cycle of hatred. And if you think about it, if Naruto can make a mass of hatred like Kurama have a change of heart, how could Sasuke [i]not[/i] come around?[/quote] I refuse to accept that Tobi is the Rikudo Sage. It's just as stupid of an idea as him being Sasuke. Izuna is the only one who I will accept as Tobi until his identity is revealed. That actually sounds like a cool way for the Jyuubi to appear. It makes a lot more sense than Tobi going to be moon. Furthermore, if he has the power of the Jyuubi, then he could just repair the moon so that it's in perfect condition for his plan. I know that Sasuke's redemption is one of Naruto' primary goals, but Jesus Style: Speech no Jutsu shouldn't always work. Yes, he's changed Kurama, but I think that Kurama's brief flashback justifies it. Madara, Hashirama, Mito, and Kushina all treated Kurama like a beast who can only know hate, and none of them gave him a damn good reason to change that. To Kurama, Naruto was one of, if not the first person to ever say he wants to change that. That's the difference with Sasuke - Naruto and Sakura both wanted him to change, and he was loved and admired before his defection. Sasuke tosses people aside once he's done with them. Kurama has no one to toss aside, with the exception of wanting to claim the bodies of his Jinchuriki, and that's the point. Kurama and Sasuke are basically parallels for that very reason. Sasuke became more of a heartless monster while Kurama finally began to accept Naruto as his partner, if only for his own benefit. Kurama is the one to be redeemed, not Sasuke, and I feel that that is far more satisfying. Naruto has lived with Kurama all his life, and their relationship has progressed to the point that it could become friendship. Naruto and Sasuke, on the other hand, started off as rivals until Naruto suddenly considered him a friend, and now they're mortal enemies. The entire point of Sasuke's corruption is that [i]nothing[/i] will redeem him, but Kurama's change of heart can be considered Naruto coming to terms with himself. The premise of the entire series is Naruto's dream to become Hokage, and for that he needs to accept himself before that happens. I know he thinks that he can't accept the position of Hokage until he saves Sasuke, but Naruto's determination has put him in a corner. It would be more dramatic if Naruto decides that Sasuke is hopeless, but that would betray Naruto's motto of never giving up. [quote name='Ongaku Matsuri' timestamp='1326735654' post='5766912']What's wrong with SSJ4 Gogeta? :L[/quote] His personality is completely from his debut in Fusion Reborn. His too much like Gotenks, when instead he should have been a stoic badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1326740873' post='5767030'] I refuse to accept that Tobi is the Rikudo Sage. It's just as stupid of an idea as him being Sasuke. Izuna is the only one who I will accept as Tobi until his identity is revealed. [b]Really?[/b] [b]My thinking was that the original tale of the Rikudo Sage was twisted a little. We know Tobi likes to twist the truth in his storytelling, as evidenced by his lies about the Kyuubi attack back then. Maybe rather than handing down his powers to his two sons and rather than protecting the world by making himself a jinchuriki, he was actually a villain who utilized the Jyuubi in order to change the world of his own accord. Then his sons teamed up against their father and overcame him, stripping him of his powers and his tailed beast.[/b] [b]The only hole I can't fill is how the Sage would live as long as he did, but immortality isn't too difficult in the Narutoverse.[/b] [b]He would then meet Madara, formulate their plan, etc.[/b] [b]It's not that Izuna isn't more likely, but I can't think of a reason that would [i]disprove[/i] Tobi=Rikudo Sage. He's the only other suspect besides Izuna since he's lived as long as Madara and would know everything he's revealed thus far.[/b] That actually sounds like a cool way for the Jyuubi to appear. It makes a lot more sense than Tobi going to be moon. Furthermore, if he has the power of the Jyuubi, then he could just repair the moon so that it's in perfect condition for his plan. [b]I joked about the final battle being on the moon once.[/b] [b]Got laughed at.[/b] It would be more dramatic if Naruto decides that Sasuke is hopeless, but that would betray Naruto's motto of never giving up. [b]That's my only gripe against Sasuke having no redemption. His ninja way has been a big thing ever since the beginning, it wouldn't be right for him to go back on his word for a fight he's been working at for over half the manga.[/b] [b]But then again, Sasuke has gone too far into his hatred that he won't be able to just go back to how things used to be, what with the Gokage Summit and teaming with Akatsuki. I think a final redemption and a noble death would be the best way to settle his character.[/b] His personality is completely from his debut in Fusion Reborn. His too much like Gotenks, when instead he should have been a stoic badass. [b]Which actually doesn't fit either Goku or Vegeta, but you'd think he'd at least be a tad more mature than Gotenks.[/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326742878' post='5767090']Really? My thinking was that the original tale of the Rikudo Sage was twisted a little. We know Tobi likes to twist the truth in his storytelling, as evidenced by his lies about the Kyuubi attack back then. Maybe rather than handing down his powers to his two sons and rather than protecting the world by making himself a jinchuriki, he was actually a villain who utilized the Jyuubi in order to change the world of his own accord. Then his sons teamed up against their father and overcame him, stripping him of his powers and his tailed beast. The only hole I can't fill is how the Sage would live as long as he did, but immortality isn't too difficult in the Narutoverse. He would then meet Madara, formulate their plan, etc. It's not that Izuna isn't more likely, but I can't think of a reason that would disprove Tobi=Rikudo Sage. He's the only other suspect besides Izuna since he's lived as long as Madara and would know everything he's revealed thus far.[/quote] As interesting as that sounds, for what reason would Tobi have to lie about the origins of the Rikudo Sage and the Jyuubi? Yes, he loves to lie, but it seems that Tobi mostly keeps to the truth when expositing about the background of the mythos. [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326742878' post='5767090']I joked about the final battle being on the moon once. Got laughed at.[/quote] A battle on the moon would just be out of place for the series. How would they even be able to breathe? I do want to see Tobi's plan succeed, but they simply can't go into outer space. [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326742878' post='5767090']That's my only gripe against Sasuke having no redemption. His ninja way has been a big thing ever since the beginning, it wouldn't be right for him to go back on his word for a fight he's been working at for over half the manga. But then again, Sasuke has gone too far into his hatred that he won't be able to just go back to how things used to be, what with the Gokage Summit and teaming with Akatsuki. I think a final redemption and a noble death would be the best way to settle his character.[/quote] I would accept a noble death. Sasuke simply can't be alive when the manga ends, and if Sasuke absolutely must be redeemed, then a noble death would be a good way to bring an end to the cycle of hatred. [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1326742878' post='5767090']Which actually doesn't fit either Goku or Vegeta, but you'd think he'd at least be a tad more mature than Gotenks.[/quote] I think it was close to Goku because he had a sense of humor, but even then Goku knows when to be serious in a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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