DL Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Wasn't Ukitake also better than him, when not sick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Ulquiorra can instantly heal from any non-fatal wound. Ulquiorra has a lance that disintegrates matter, and can slice anything It can cut through Reiatsu that isn't too dense Now, let's look at Ulquiorra, in depth Beat Uryu without trying, and stole his arm as a prize Beat Ichigo without batting an eyelash, even at hollowfication Ichigo FULLY CHARGED A GETSUGA and couldn't hit Ulquiorra with it in his FIRST release. Ulquiorra lost to a god-tier monster comparable to Final Getsuga Tenshou Ichigo. Until he appeared, Ulquiorra was fine, and he held his own against said monster for a bit. Lanza makes an explosion that makes Las Noches look tiny. DO YOU KNOW HOW BIG LAS NOCHES IS? It's as big or bigger than the Seireitei. WHICH IS HUGE. Lanza also happens to do Barrigan's job just as well as Barragan. Then there's the speed Ulquiorra showed, that greatly dwarfed anyone except maybe Zommari. He moved so fast that Ichigo couldn't follow his movements while Hollowfied- In Release 1, not Segunda. Ulquiorra is superior to Starrk as an Espada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Espada rankings were dumb. I think Kubo only went with Segunda Etapa to maintain Ichigo's mainness of fighting the strongest :T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1324423734' post='5720045'] [b]Espada rankings were dumb.[/b] I think Kubo only went with Segunda Etapa to maintain Ichigo's mainness of fighting the strongest :T [/quote] So true Haribel was 3d? wtf, I bet Nnoitra was better than her SHE WAS FIGHTING TOSHIRO AND DIDN'T MANAGE AN ABSOLUTE VICTORY WTF D< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andx Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Let's not forget the "Espada 10 is really Espada 0" crap Kubo pulled off with Yami of all people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 a ) I'd argue except, you know, KUBO KINDA FAILED TO DISPLAY STARRKS PROWESS b ) Remember when Starrk was ordered to "re-aquire" Orihime? Yeah, in his sealed form he was able to appear and thoroughly surprise Zaraki and Ichigo and then disappeared before they could react. Essentially, they didn't see him coming (in his sealed mind you) and they couldn't even btoher giving chase (partly because they were injured but also because it's flipping Starrk) c ) It would've taken 2-3 wolves to kill Kyoraku, (DL, they're about equal without the sickness) and Starrk has about jillion d ) Apparently Aizen judged that Starrks wolf ability thingymahjig (I'm assuming wolf here since we never saw any real action from Starrk) outranked Barragans godmod insta-death fog Starrk outranks Ulqui as a practical fighter (also, it was mentioned that Espada are generally stronger in Hueco Mundo than in any other are, particularly the World of the Living so Starrk's fighting abilities probably dropped as Ulqui's probably gained ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 And Yami got pwnt so bad :3 I'm betting Yami really is 10 and just made himself out to be 0 to feel better about himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Andx' timestamp='1324424074' post='5720057'] Let's not forget the "Espada 10 is really Espada 0" crap Kubo pulled off with Yami of all people. [/quote] and then killed him off screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Itachi V. Remo' timestamp='1324424206' post='5720066'] and then killed him off screen [/quote] Poor Yami nah, he sucked SOULS HAHAHAHA :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Ah, but Remo, you forget an important fact- Aizen knew about Segunda, because he knew all, but he acted as if he didn't know, and did not factor it into the rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I bet if he did Ulqui and Starrk would be 1 and 2, in an order I can't be sure of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andx Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1324424342' post='5720071'] Ah, but Remo, you forget an important fact- Aizen knew about Segunda, because he knew all, but he acted as if he didn't know, and did not factor it into the rankings. [/quote] Only that's not actually a fact and has no support outside of "Because he's Aizen". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Andx' timestamp='1324424621' post='5720084'] Only that's not actually a fact and has no support outside of "Because he's Aizen". [/quote] Aizen talked about knowing all Ichigo's battles and setting them up for his full potential, and it showed Segunda Etapa, rather than Murcielago or unreleased =o He knew, because he knew it would push Ichigo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 And even if he didn't That means he COULDN"T factor it into the ranking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1324424342' post='5720071'] Ah, but Remo, you forget an important fact- Aizen knew about Segunda, because he knew all, but he acted as if he didn't know, and did not factor it into the rankings. [/quote] Ah, but Black, you forget an important fact- Starrk kinda brushed aside the third strongest Captain (who's only third because Yamamoto and apparently Unohana but Shunsui was only off by about 10 or so "points" in terms of rankings making it pretty close. Also, in terms of Combat Power rankings, he's off of [i]Aizen[/i] BY A MERE 3 POINTS) , proceeded to toy with his near equal, and owned [i]two more captains[/i] Yeah Like I keep saying, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Itachi V. Remo' timestamp='1324425044' post='5720112'] Ah, but Black, you forget an important fact- Starrk kinda brushed aside the third strongest Captain (who's only third because Yamamoto and apparently Unohana but Shunsui was only off by about 10 or so "points" in terms of rankings making it pretty close) , proceeded to toy with his near equal, and owned [i]two more captains[/i] Yeah Like I keep saying, [/quote] You've given 0 solid proof Your solid proof was that Aizen made him Primera because of his wolves, but Ulquiorra has Lanza, which far outshines the wolves, and has nigh infinite ammo. Aizen either turned a blidn eye to it or didn't know about it. Ulquiorra never faced a captain, so you can stop using them as arguments now =T They're not valid when Ulquiorra never faced one to be comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Itachi V. Remo' timestamp='1324425044' post='5720112'] Ah, but Black, you forget an important fact- Starrk kinda brushed aside the third strongest Captain [b](who's only third because Yamamoto and apparently Unohana but Shunsui was only off by about 10 or so "points" in terms of rankings making it pretty close. Also, in terms of Combat Power rankings, he's off of [i]Aizen[/i] BY A MERE 3 POINTS)[/b] , proceeded to toy with his near equal, and owned [i]two more captains[/i] Yeah Like I keep saying, [/quote] Captaincy isn't the issue, it's [i]who[/i] the captain was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 That's still an invalid argument =/ Ulquiorra never fought any captain, so his performance against them is unclear. As I said, all your evidence is fabricated, except for the one that was easily discounted. Please, try harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 [url="http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7683/kyourakupwergraphjpg.jpg"]Remember the guy he was kinda owning before said guy pulled uberhax and won? [/url] 30 points off of Aizen Yeah he was owning that guy [i]on his whim[/i]. I'm not comparing him to a captain per say as I'm comparing him Kyoraku. and even then, you can't deny that he defeated two captain class visored when just one was all that was required to own Grimmjow Either this just going to turn into a "my daddy is better than your daddy argument", or a "well, Kubo didn't give enough information on xyz...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andx Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 [quote name='Itachi V. Remo' timestamp='1324425999' post='5720146'] Either this just going to turn into a "my daddy is better than your daddy argument", or a "well, Kubo didn't give enough information on xyz...." [/quote] It struck me as more of a fanboy battle from the beginning. AKA, no chance in hell either side was gonna convince the other they were right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 We had this before, just this time DL asked me to You keep arguing based on something unmeasurable. You know, basically, you're arguing something that can't be compared or seen. You're saying that Starrk is better than Kyoraku means he's better than Ulqui, but we never saw Ulqui vs. Kyoraku Also, back on the wolves: Wolves + Barrigan = Lanza, power wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 We also haven't seen Ulqui v anyone other than Ichigo so we can't really test out his performance per say Barragan on his own is probably equal to if not stronger than lanza and the reason why I keep using kyoraku is that THE ONLY KNOWN SHINIGAMI STRONGER THAN HIM ARE YAMAMOTO AND AIZEN GODMOD'S 1 AND 2 RESPECTIVELY And if that wasn't enough Kyoraku & Ukitake both fight and barely held off Yamamoto (although you can't really count the Reigai invasion arc fights since they were filler) They also barely managed to hold their own against Starrk That kinda shows you [i]how[/i] powerful he was .-.[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1324428169' post='5720201'] We had this before, just this time DL asked me to You keep arguing based on something unmeasurable. You know, basically, you're arguing something that can't be compared or seen. You're saying that Starrk is better than Kyoraku means he's better than Ulqui, but we never saw Ulqui vs. Kyoraku Also, back on the wolves: [b]Wolves + Barrigan [/b]= Lanza, power wise [/quote] Where the hell did that "fact" come from anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Wolves are a large explosion that is similar to Lanza's Lanza has disintegration abilities likened to that of Barragan Wolves + Barragan = Lanza Barragan isn't stronger than the Lanza, considering the Lanza covers a much wider area. Hell, Ulqui was SCARED to use it in close quarters, because of its huge range being enough to wipe him out. He only did it as a last resort to stop Full Hollow Ichigo And it doesn't matter how much you use Kyoraku, or why, IT ISN'T VALID. It's like saying Goku is the strongest character ever because he can beat Buu, without being able to compare it to anyone else of the sort from some other series. Could Naruto beat Buu? IDK, it's never happened, and probably never will. I'm not arguing based on Ichigo alone, whereas your entire point is Kyoraku. And I'd call Ichigo Godmod, too, considering his constant main character power ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aa'une Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1324414919' post='5719609'] Actually it was Dranzer who gave it to you .3. ...DAMMIT, IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR SINCE HE LEFT. btw Your name Is it pronounced like awn, or differently? [/quote] oh. ya... forgot.. hahahaha.. and sorta like Aa Eene. so think of how the A is pronounced in Bach the composer and the een from the word seen so "A een" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andx Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1324429366' post='5720237'] Wolves are a large explosion that is similar to Lanza's [b]This is true.[/b] Lanza has disintegration abilities likened to that of Barragan [b]This however is not true. There's really nothing to compare to Respira. Except perhaps TIME TELLS NO LIES. But that's fullbring and full of lots of silly conditions and such.[/b] Wolves + Barragan = Lanza Barragan isn't stronger than the Lanza, considering the Lanza covers a much wider area. Hell, Ulqui was SCARED to use it in close quarters, because of its huge range being enough to wipe him out. He only did it as a last resort to stop Full Hollow Ichigo [b]There's really no need for Barragan to be stronger than the Lanza. He certainly wasn't stronger than the enormous missile Soi Fon decided she was gonna launch at him. But the first did very minimal damage to him because of Respira. And the wider area argument doesn't really mean much. After the lanza the ground was still intact. Anything inside the blast would have arguably been reduced to ashes. But had Respira hit an area that wide, not only would everything inside have aged into nothing, so would the ground. And anything on the ground. And anything touching the ground that had been hit by Respira. And any person foolish enough to stay on said ground while Respira was going. And for all intents and purposes, Hueco Mundo in its entirety would be reduced to nothing. Funny how all of Karakura Town didn't age into nothing. Considering anything in contact with the stuff does. Oh wait Kubo and shonen anime. Who needs consistency?[/b] And it doesn't matter how much you use Kyoraku, or why, IT ISN'T VALID. It's like saying Goku is the strongest character ever because he can beat Buu, without being able to compare it to anyone else of the sort from some other series. Could Naruto beat Buu? IDK, it's never happened, and probably never will. [b]Fun Fact: Gohan is in fact still the strongest character in the Dragon Ball Universe. Super Buu is known to be stronger than Kid Buu and Gohan was beating on Super Buu pretty easily until other people messed up. Whereas Goku struggled against Kid Buu the entire time and only won with the Genkidama (Spirit Bomb) which has hax level powers. Just like to think about how the series would have gone if Toriyama had been able to make Gohan the main for Z's section of the plot, like he wanted to. :'D[/b] I'm not arguing based on Ichigo alone, whereas your entire point is Kyoraku. [b]Well technically you are arguing on Ichigo alone. Unless you were somehow using Uryu as well since he's about the only other person Ulquiorra's ever fought. Oh or Grimmjow, but we haven't heard anything of him in this argument yet and that's whole other argument we don't really need to bring in to this. But anyway yeah you've got Ichigo and Uryu being the people Ulquiorra's fought. Oh and if Remo cared to, he could also be making his point on Ukitake, and the two Vizard captains Stark defeated with little to no effort on his part. Though as you say he is mostly making it on Kyoraku.[/b] And I'd call Ichigo Godmod, too, considering his constant main character power ups [b]What I consider more godmod is pointed out by Ulquiorra himself. That being the fluctuations in Ichigo's powers. Making him at times the weakest fighter or at times the strongest.[/b] [/quote] Oh the joys of Bleach. ^_X Oh and Dragonball. Joys of that too. Now to confuse everything I've got stuff in support of Ulquiorra as well. No espada has ever put on the reiatsu display Ulquiorra gave. The first release literally raining his reiatsu on ichigo and Uryu only being able to explain Segunda Etapa as an ocean of Reiatsu above the ceiling of Los Noches. No other espada (except potentially Yammy as his power is supposedly only limited by his anger. and even then he never matched ulquiorra here) have ever put on a display of power like that. And then instead of trying to top it. With Aizen Kubo trolls us again and makes it so "He's so much stronger than everyone else you can't even comprehend his power so you don't feel any reiatsu on him." So in the end: Keep going you two and I'll throw in some points i think of as I watch. :'D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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