Yasu Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1309671654' post='5329774'] 2. Studies show that the majority of kids raised by gay parents turn out gay. [url]http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000028[/url]. [/quote] Says the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians"]American College of Pediatricians[/url], huh? [i]"A group with Judeo-Christian, traditional values that is open to pediatric medical professionals of all religions who hold true to the group's core beliefs: that life begins at conception; and that the traditional family unit, headed by a different-sex couple, poses far fewer risk factors in the adoption and raising of children."[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 You mean people fabricate statistics to favor their opinions? That's not obvious at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Z Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Lance Corporal Atlas' timestamp='1309573445' post='5326863'] The difference between bisexual and confused - learn it. And I don't mean it would be difficult to settle in a "life partner" kind of way, just when it comes to physical attraction. I don't think you can comment on this fairly if you try saying you're bi while experiencing little(or no) attraction towards men. [/quote] I know there is a difference, but I am not sure where or how I'd draw the line between the two And I'm glad you don't mean in a "life partner" way, in a physical attraction sense, yes, I believe that you would be right [quote name='Lance Corporal Atlas' timestamp='1309573445' post='5326863'] So do you find yourself attracted to men in any way? You don't sound very direct or honest here. :/ And I said "more often than not". Obviously bisexuals exist, but it's obvious as well that many gays fake bisexuality while not fully accepting of themselves. You can't deny this with a singular experience. [/quote] Are you saying I sound as though I am hiding my attraction? Or that you think I have no attraction? Honestly, I don't know which it is, I know I've liked women all my life and that to whatever extent I am sexuality attracted to the opposite gender... don't know how it stacks up in comparision to how other males are sexualy attracted to females, but no one does (or should (?)) I might be attracted to men, I've yet to get a boner for a guy, that much I know, or rather as far as I know, Lol, but other than that I really have no idea Thoughts flow in and out of my head, I've pictured myself with both genders, idk, its why I put myself as "Confused" And I would agree with the last series of sentences, but heres to the future where we all find out what we are I went through a series from about 8th grade until know liking a girl for about every 6 months and then switching to a new girl after realizing i was never going to get with the previous one... The 2nd to last girl is the one I still actually crush on and there is a 7th girl that I just find incredibly attractive, nice face, lean body, incredibly friendly attitude, hot ass, smart... she probably has everything going for her, Lol The 5th girl is the one I want to be with all my life, she seems too good to be true, at least for me But after the 6th girl until now is also the time that I have placed myself into the "Confused" category, I believe I need a girlfriend or several just to see if that is the right track for me, to see if I belong with a girl This is not to say that I am a late bloomer, and only began liking girls in 8th grade, no, my big crushes began in 8th grade, but I remember even back in 2nd grade thinking certain girls in my classes were "pretty" and "cute" I also see nothing wrong with people "denying" who they are Men and Women get married to put their own lives into a greater light, marrying for power or status isn't uncommon in today's world This would be the same thing if a Gay Man married a Straight Woman... no difference in the situation Also, a homosexual individual can feel attracted to someone of the opposite gender, not in a sexual or even romantic way, but in the terms that they are great together, best friends, they can be together (as I said above) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsen Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 IDC tbh. Gays are fun <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Frost Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Madsen' timestamp='1309723800' post='5331033'] IDC tbh. Gays are fun <3 [/quote] Thank you for shutting down all the arguments! +rep for u! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 We should really have this locked now, all that should be said has been said, so there's no use reiterating what we've already discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1309733672' post='5331392'] We should really have this locked now, all that should be said has been said, so there's no use reiterating what we've already discussed. [/quote] I agree, we should just stop discussing because there's no point in repeating everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1309737986' post='5331543'] I agree, we should just stop discussing because there's no point in repeating everything. [/quote] I agree repeating everything is pointless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Hmm...............has gays in the military been discussed here yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Z Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Don't ask don't tell has been repealed, so it's all good. A lot of [s]stupid[/s] people act as if the act was a horrible oppressive concoction of the far right, but it was actually the Democratic Party who thought of it as a compromise, because before gays couldn't serve in the military at all. It was just one step, and now we're taking the next step. However, I do agree with Ron Paul in that we should revise the Don't Ask Don't Tell to cover disruptive sexual behavior in general, instead of just telling gays to shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='∞ Skiel ∞' timestamp='1309742854' post='5331730'] NYC [/quote] Yep from what I'v heard gay's can marry there now. [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1309743650' post='5331755'] Don't ask don't tell has been repealed, so it's all good. A lot of [s]stupid[/s] people act as if the act was a horrible oppressive concoction of the far right, but it was actually the Democratic Party who thought of it as a compromise, because before gays couldn't serve in the military at all. It was just one step, and now we're taking the next step. However, I do agree with Ron Paul in that we should revise the Don't Ask Don't Tell to cover disruptive sexual behavior in general, instead of just telling gays to shut up. [/quote] Hmm, I wasn't really sure if it was in full effect or not. Still not 100% sure :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pichu Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 I think, God doesn't make mistakes. Everybody was born a different way. -From me, a gay Christan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Frost Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1309743650' post='5331755'] Don't ask don't tell has been repealed, so it's all good. A lot of [s]stupid[/s] people act as if the act was a horrible oppressive concoction of the far right, but it was actually the Democratic Party who thought of it as a compromise, because before gays couldn't serve in the military at all. It was just one step, and now we're taking the next step. [b]However, I do agree with Ron Paul in that we should revise the Don't Ask Don't Tell to cover disruptive sexual behavior in general, instead of just telling gays to shut up.[/b] [/quote] Yeah, I agree. The Military was meant to be just that: Military. Not a sex pub for gays [s](though I'd think I'd enjoy that quite a bit)[/s]. At least while they're there, they should "keep their panties on" and refrain from sex. still, I can see alot of horny guys continuing to play the act, maybe because, oh I don't know, they're horny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [i]If someone in the future say invented some kind of pill that could change people's sexual preferences, would it be moral/ethical/practical to administer it? [/i] Sexuality at birth is based on genetics, so I don't understand why you are asking whether it would be moral to change something like that. If a homosexual would like to become heterosexual and a miracle drug was available, they by all means have the right. Forcing sexuality upon someone is [b]not[/b] moral or ethical, and I don't even know how "practical" is even suitable. Practicality... regarding what? [i]I, as well as any other anti-gay marriage supporter, value that marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman.[/i] If I may state for the [b]third[/b] time, homosexuals do not give a flying fish if they are "allowed" by some bullshit religions to stand on a chapel and have a religious man do things to them. Homosexual couples would like to get married for the government benefits and for the official title as a married couple, rather than being considered two seperate, unrelated entities. Religions should not be ruled by the government to allow homosexuals to get religiously married, but by all means those couples have an absolute right to be entitled to a proper title and proper government benefits. Furthermore, all homosexual couples should have the legal right to adopt a baby. I don't give a damn if it has been "proven" (I use those quotes for a reason) that homosexual couples adopt babies that eventually turn into homosexuals. By you saying that as if it had any relevance, you are just proving that you are inherently against homosexuality, and you are a conservative religiously-active moron that doesn't understand the concept of a genetic mutation. People don't become homosexual because it's cool; it's not a choice, and they should not have to be treated as lessers because of something that was with them at birth. [i]Also, let's try to get off the topic of religion before Dark shows up and the whole conversation turns to s***.[/i] Just because I constantly am correct in religious debates does not mean I turn the conversation into feces. And I don't care what the current topic is; as you see from this post, I can go back one or two or three pages and quote people and respond as I please. Just because a topic has ended in text doesn't mean I can't revisit it. Thanks for showing your intelligence, or lack thereof. [i]I think, God doesn't make mistakes. Everybody was born a different way.[/i] I don't understand why your supposed Christian god would create people that wouldn't choose to become Christians. It seems really awkward that your god creates people that become Muslim, adding to the Islam population, so to speak. And it's quite ironic that the two major monotheistic religions are almost at a war currently. I know your god doesn't make mistakes, but maybe he should think his designs through a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Z Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 In what way is your Sexuality based upon Genetics, I'm sure you've all read something, but I've ssen no one post a link to anything about that and I'm actually rather interested on that subject... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I know I'm going to get flamed for disagreeing with the almighty scientists, but I would think your sexuality would have more to do with your psychological development than your genetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 My opinion is that sexuality is one of those life choices that isn't determined by genetics, but can be pretty damn hard to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I always wondered why homosexuality is such a big controversey now, and not before. I know that the genetic can be passed down, but it has to be "activated" so-to-speak. So why wasn't homosexuality an issue in the first days of colonial America and the writing of the Constitution, and such? @Dark First, that's what civil unions are for. If you don't care whether a religious figure marries you or not, then jsut get a civil union. @Dark/Prince Harmonia 1st: Harmonia, I'm not sure how to write this without offending you. But anyway, as you know, God doesn't make mistakes, people do. And people are born with defects or grow into mental problems (such as mental retardness or shizophrenia) ((NOT RELATING THIS TO HOMOSEXUALITY)) I would love to hear your view on this, with evidence besides that you are a gay Christian. 2nd: Dark, I'd assume you'd do research into such claims, but it doesn't seem like you did. God created 2 perfect people before sin was entered into the world. As you probaly know, God cannot be around imperfection or sin, and gave us the free will so that we could live our lives to glorify Him without him breathing down our backs. After the fall of mankind sin had entered the world and thus still allowed mankind to think freely. However, different religions have been formed and each person gets to choose who they believe. God didn't make us so that we have strings attached, He gave us free will, and he didn't create a person to be a Muslim, that was their choice to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1310020893' post='5334458'] 1st: Harmonia, I'm not sure how to write this without offending you. But anyway, as you know, God doesn't make mistakes, people do. And people are born with defects or grow into mental problems (such as mental retardness or shizophrenia) ((NOT RELATING THIS TO HOMOSEXUALITY)) I would love to hear your view on this, with evidence besides that you are a gay Christian. [/quote] God made man in his own image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Anyone who belives that Sexuality is a choice... is a f***ing retard. Ask any homosexual man! Ask Joey Miles, ask MKS, ask Cody Frost, ask any gay that you know IRL! I am a christian, but I don't let that make most of my decisions, and I belive that even an omnipotent devine being like God could still make mistakes, for all we know, [s]Amaterasu[/s] Buddah could be the true god, for all we know, there might not BE a god! I personally belive in God, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to assult other religions! And it certainly doesn't mean that I think gays are bad, which is why I'm moving to the sweet northern land of Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1310014730' post='5334253'] My opinion is that sexuality is one of those life choices that isn't determined by genetics, but can be pretty damn hard to change. [/quote] I agree with you. I just personally think it's stupid that a child's sexuality is determined from birth. [quote name='~N~' timestamp='1310050284' post='5335031'] Anyone who belives that Sexuality is a choice... is a f***ing retard. Ask any homosexual man! Ask Joey Miles, ask MKS, ask Cody Frost, ask any gay that you know IRL! I am a christian, but I don't let that make most of my decisions, and I belive that even an omnipotent devine being like God could still make mistakes, for all we know, [s]Amaterasu[/s] Buddah could be the true god, for all we know, there might not BE a god! I personally belive in God, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to assult other religions! And it certainly doesn't mean that I think gays are bad, which is why I'm moving to the sweet northern land of Canada. [/quote] I'm not calling your opinion wrong or anything, but at this point it's almost stupid to be called a "Christian" if you barely believe in whatever religion you're a part of. Not that other people don't do that. A lot of Buddhists are atheists for example. I'm just saying that "Christianity" is probably one of the most vague religions right now, almost to the point of not really meaning anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I didn't say that I barley belived in my religion, I'm just saying that I'm not going to say to anyone who doesn't belive in my religion "YOU ARE WRONG! ONLY GOD IS REAL! I'M A STEROTYPICAL CHRISTIAN!" I mean, it is possible that more then one higher power exists, that doesn't mean I belive that more then 1 does, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to verbelly assult anyone who says differant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1310020893' post='5334458'] :2nd: Dark, I'd assume you'd do research into such claims, but it doesn't seem like you did. God created [b]2 perfect people[/b] before sin was entered into the world. As you probaly know, God cannot be around imperfection or sin, and gave us the free will so that we could live our lives to glorify Him without him breathing down our backs.[/quote] Greetings, plebeian. Anyways, I have a question. Exactly how were those two perfect if they went against His word right after he left them? A snake could absolutely have gone and attempted to convince them, but wouldn't that simply prove how weak their conviction to Him was? How could such be considered perfect as people? More on homosexuality, though. I'd be lying to spew lies about knowing how "sexuality is defined at birth," or "one's sexuality is in relativity to their upbringing," because I have no experience in homosexuality. How could you imply sexuality is defined at birth if you have no experience with the topic? It could be, as Miror. B had stated, a very difficult choice to change once first decided. Really, unless you are homosexual, have knowledge from one or somehow receive an answer based on years of extensive research, if the latter would even work, what credibility or truth could your implication possibly have? Very little, because those people only have theories. I don't mind homosexuality myself, either. It would be hypocritical to say it wasn't right no matter your own sexuality, as well. That person could easily find problem with your own sexuality and not accept or attack your own, as well. Unfortunately, rightist Christians and such exist. Already know how terrible a world run by the Church would be. Worthless values based on religion, really. Those people could be very, very pious. Mostly worthless when preached on people who don't care. Great people have been consequences because of said values and it's counterparts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasu Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 You don't have to be gay to understand. Being human is just enough. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJtjqLUHYoY “[i]The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories… The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects.[/i]” -Alfred Kinsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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