Cody Frost Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 [quote name='Frunk' timestamp='1308461801' post='5294505'] Indeed, I'll fetch some jelly and be right with you. [/quote] woah...already with the jelly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 [quote name='Cody Frost' timestamp='1308539332' post='5296489'] woah...already with the jelly? [/quote] Indeed. Why waste time with foreplay? You're in for a marathon with me as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Frost Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 [quote name='Frunk' timestamp='1308540128' post='5296515'] Indeed. Why waste time with foreplay? You're in for a marathon with me as it is. [/quote] We'll see about that. [quote name='♥ D.A._ϯɨå Håʀʀɨbel ♥' timestamp='1308449488' post='5294103'] I wish people that don't know much about how gay people live would give "30 Days" (with [font=sans-serif][size=2]Morgan Spurlock) Episode, "Straight Man in a Gay World" a watch. I think some would change there opinions if they did. [/size][/font] [/quote] *searching* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 [quote name='Cody Frost' timestamp='1308540398' post='5296525'] *searching* [/quote] Did you watch it? If so did you like how the guy changed some of his views at the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 I try not to mix my views on homosexuals and religion but every time a fellow Christian hears my fiance is bi and tell him he's going to hell I always have the reply at least he'll like it. God says he'll judge you the same you judge others. Telling a bi/les/gay that he/she/he-she is going to hell then you just reserved your own spot there. I say leave them be unless you plan on helping receive the rights straight couples do. Larry King compares gay marriage to beastiality and polgamy when neither involve two consenting humans. I do believe in love is love but with some loves I believe in boundaries. I'd be okay with polygamy as long as it has the same atmosphere a normal marriage has. happiness, non-violent, and everyone gets equal attention. I somewhat approve incestuous marriage but nothing sexual should happen. In my opinion straight people can't judge what you feel without having felt it. A lot of teen boys in my area think bisexual is a new trend when they don't understand. Your orientation isn't just about affection. My gay friend shows affection to me but does he like girls? Hell no. A pretty girl aksed him out and he got sick. You can't change preference either though some bisexuals look at it differently. my fiance lost faith in guys after being treated like s*** so much. He still likes guys and acts more of a homosexual but he doesn't date guys anymore. I'm sure every bisexual here at one point has thought "why do i even try dating them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 I somehow doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1308607528' post='5298703'] I try not to mix my views on homosexuals and religion but every time a fellow Christian hears my fiance is bi and tell him he's going to hell I always have the reply at least he'll like it. God says he'll judge you the same you judge others. Telling a bi/les/gay that he/she/he-she is going to hell then you just reserved your own spot there. I say leave them be unless you plan on helping receive the rights straight couples do. Larry King compares gay marriage to beastiality and polgamy when neither involve two consenting humans. I do believe in love is love but with some loves I believe in boundaries. I'd be okay with polygamy as long as it has the same atmosphere a normal marriage has. happiness, non-violent, and everyone gets equal attention. I somewhat approve incestuous marriage but nothing sexual should happen. In my opinion straight people can't judge what you feel without having felt it. A lot of teen boys in my area think bisexual is a new trend when they don't understand. Your orientation isn't just about affection. My gay friend shows affection to me but does he like girls? Hell no. A pretty girl aksed him out and he got sick. You can't change preference either though some bisexuals look at it differently. my fiance lost faith in guys after being treated like s*** so much. He still likes guys and acts more of a homosexual but he doesn't date guys anymore. [b]I'm sure every bisexual here at one point has thought "why do i even try dating them"[/b] [/quote] The bold I can't really agree with but I'v only been able to date one guy (like zero bi/gay guys at my school when I was still able to attend & I rarely get out of my house)so.............I cant really say that sense I don't have much experience. Everything else though I can agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='~N~' timestamp='1308608953' post='5298745'] I somehow doubt that. [/quote] Replace every with most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 *is bi... pan... something* And I don't give a shit about it. I came out to my parents and we all forgot about it within two days or so. My sexuality is a minor part of me. :'D [b]EDIT:[/b] If anyone accuses me of just trying to drum up sympathy, I can clarify. No need to do so now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Frost Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='Kyubey' timestamp='1308711970' post='5301833'] And I don't give a s*** about it. I came out to my parents and we all forgot about it within two days or so. My sexuality is a minor part of me. :'D [/quote] I wish I was that lucky. Oh wells, I roll with the punches anyway. [quote name='Kyubey' timestamp='1308711970' post='5301833'] [b]EDIT:[/b] If anyone accuses me of just trying to drum up sympathy, I can clarify. No need to do so now. [/quote] Who said anything about sympathy? Your a MOD. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Z Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 [quote name='Lance Corporal Atlas' timestamp='1308086034' post='5283402'] False bisexuals are, more often than heteros trying to be different, homos halfway between acceptance and rejection. It's a psychological thing. As a legitimate bisexual though, the initial appeal of the position is diminished since someone who actually is bisexual can't really settle themselves with one person. [/quote] [size="1"]^I Have many issues with this, and I will get to them all in time[/size] Okay, I personally am not one to have anything wrong with which ever sexuality someone becomes, but I do have issues with people expecting to not be mocked People, EVERYONE is immature, get used to it, even old women will mock anf flirt as if they were tweens again. It sucks. Its Life. I'm going to explain this through examples of people I know: Totally OUT there and showing it: Guys, if you wear girls jeans, you will f'n be mocked, what ever your sexuality is... Homosexuality doesn't make you a different type of person, they are human, but they shouldn't go out and show it in every single breathe they take, not without being prepared to take a few hits for it, it makes people uncomfortable and they don't understand it, that means they will begin to fear it... which will lead to hate... that much is a simple progression of the human psyche Okay, I have a friend, a girl, she is lesbian... I personally didn't see, thought I don't really know how... but she wasn't going out there and hooking up with girls in the middle of school, she is herself, she occasionally wears the "Likes Girls" T-Shirt From Glee (Which I bought her at her request), but even if people did mock her, she wouldn't care, thats just who she is, I respect her GREATLY for that, she actually made me feel that If I were to ever "hop the fence," or what ever you may call it, my friends would still be there for me I have a friend who is a transexual (?) she acts as if she were a man... lucky her she is flat... but she has a guys hair cut, she has the wardrobe og a guy... her facebook account is under a completely different (male's Name)... people mock her, yes, because she is the only one who does that in our school, but no one mocks her in her face, I'm sure she is aware of it, but she never complains (I have issues with the He/She thing with her though) There is another kid in our school who has been out for a long time, no one mocks him, no one cares that he is gay, that is just the way he is, we all know it and who cares... but looking at him you probably wouldn't know he is unless you note how tight he jeans are and how low some of his v-necks go down, you'd probably just think he is a bit out-going, he is gay, no one cares, again, I respect him for that Now I want to get down to my issues with what was quoted above... Okay, I put myself in the "Confused" Category... I don't know what my sexuality is, if someone asks me I will say straight, just because that is sorta the "default" for people... I am sexualy attracted to women, sometimes I can't take my eyes off of their chests or their rear-ends, girls are hot, I know it and watching girl=on-girl still gives me boners, Lol, so I'm happy... my tongue goes into action if I'm watching "you know what" and a hot enough girl's sexual place is shown... This is in addition to the fact I am, in my mind, in love with a girl... but personally I believe I am straight up Bi... not sure though, I don't know how I feel about men, I've thought about watching gay porn to see what happens with my junk... but I haven't... I don't truely think I fall into your category of being Bi because I have yet to accept a change, I know I find girls attractive... and I also HATE that other f***ing this you said about not being able to settle with one person... this girl I'm crazy for... If I could be with her, I'd die the happiest man in the world, even if I died the second after she said yes to going on a date, Hahah, that girl is all I want, I'd attempt settling down with her faster than anyone ever has Sexuality is a touchy subject when you are "confused," I find women attractive, I have no idea what I think of men... so sue me, I still act as myself, I fight things in my mind, I want to be straight, yes, sue me... I know that might not be the case, and as long as I am sexually attracted to the one girl I am in love with I don't care if I end up otherwise gay... I'm not gay though, I personally believe I AM Bi, but I have more than enough moral eithics to settle with one person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 [quote name='∞ Skiel ∞' timestamp='1309536249' post='5325108'] [size="1"]^I Have many issues with this, and I will get to them all in time[/size] Okay, I personally am not one to have anything wrong with which ever sexuality someone becomes, but I do have issues with people expecting to not be mocked People, EVERYONE is immature, get used to it, even old women will mock anf flirt as if they were tweens again. It sucks. Its Life. I'm going to explain this through examples of people I know: Totally OUT there and showing it: Guys, if you wear girls jeans, you will f'n be mocked, what ever your sexuality is... Homosexuality doesn't make you a different type of person, they are human, but they shouldn't go out and show it in every single breathe they take, not without being prepared to take a few hits for it, it makes people uncomfortable and they don't understand it, that means they will begin to fear it... which will lead to hate... that much is a simple progression of the human psyche Okay, I have a friend, a girl, she is lesbian... I personally didn't see, thought I don't really know how... but she wasn't going out there and hooking up with girls in the middle of school, she is herself, she occasionally wears the "Likes Girls" T-Shirt From Glee (Which I bought her at her request), but even if people did mock her, she wouldn't care, thats just who she is, I respect her GREATLY for that, she actually made me feel that If I were to ever "hop the fence," or what ever you may call it, my friends would still be there for me I have a friend who is a transexual (?) she acts as if she were a man... lucky her she is flat... but she has a guys hair cut, she has the wardrobe og a guy... her facebook account is under a completely different (male's Name)... people mock her, yes, because she is the only one who does that in our school, but no one mocks her in her face, I'm sure she is aware of it, but she never complains (I have issues with the He/She thing with her though) There is another kid in our school who has been out for a long time, no one mocks him, no one cares that he is gay, that is just the way he is, we all know it and who cares... but looking at him you probably wouldn't know he is unless you note how tight he jeans are and how low some of his v-necks go down, you'd probably just think he is a bit out-going, he is gay, no one cares, again, I respect him for that [/quote] I totally agree with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
❤ Lovely Warrior ❤ Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 they cant help being gay its literally in their dna so why would they burn in hell for the way god made them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 [quote name='∞ Skiel ∞' timestamp='1309536249' post='5325108'] Now I want to get down to my issues with what was quoted above... Okay, I put myself in the "Confused" Category... I don't know what my sexuality is, if someone asks me I will say straight, just because that is sorta the "default" for people... I am sexualy attracted to women, sometimes I can't take my eyes off of their chests or their rear-ends, girls are hot, I know it and watching girl=on-girl still gives me boners, Lol, so I'm happy... my tongue goes into action if I'm watching "you know what" and a hot enough girl's sexual place is shown... This is in addition to the fact I am, in my mind, in love with a girl... but personally I believe I am straight up Bi... not sure though, I don't know how I feel about men, I've thought about watching gay porn to see what happens with my junk... but I haven't... I don't truely think I fall into your category of being Bi because I have yet to accept a change, I know I find girls attractive... and I also HATE that other f***ing this you said about not being able to settle with one person... this girl I'm crazy for... If I could be with her, I'd die the happiest man in the world, even if I died the second after she said yes to going on a date, Hahah, that girl is all I want, I'd attempt settling down with her faster than anyone ever has[/quote] The difference between bisexual and confused - learn it. And I don't mean it would be difficult to settle in a "life partner" kind of way, just when it comes to physical attraction. I don't think you can comment on this fairly if you try saying you're bi while experiencing little(or no) attraction towards men. [quote]Sexuality is a touchy subject when you are "confused," I find women attractive, I have no idea what I think of men... so sue me, I still act as myself, I fight things in my mind, I want to be straight, yes, sue me... I know that might not be the case, and as long as I am sexually attracted to the one girl I am in love with I don't care if I end up otherwise gay... I'm not gay though, I personally believe I AM Bi, but I have more than enough moral eithics to settle with one person [/quote] So do you find yourself attracted to men in any way? You don't sound very direct or honest here. :/ And I said "more often than not". Obviously bisexuals exist, but it's obvious as well that many gays fake bisexuality while not fully accepting of themselves. You can't deny this with a singular experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 ...and this is why I'd much rather using the Kinsey scale. :'D [b]EDIT:[/b] @above, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual_erasure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 @Flame Princess is you fiance still bi if he marries you? Because you wouldn't let him hook up with anyone else after your marriage, right? I'm straight, and I could never fathom loving a man. It's something my mind can't bend around, like trying to understand Nothing or Infinity, I just can't do it. I love my girlfriend more than my life. I could never imagine loving a man the same way (mentally, not physically, but I still can't understand that either. Anyway, I'm opposed to it and would vote against it if I had to vote on a gay lay being passed. Don't think I'm some awful jerkbag who seeks to make fun of gays everywhere I go, I still openly acknowledge that I'm against HOMOSEXUALITY, not Homosexuals, because of my morals. That is all. [quote name='Identity Unknown' timestamp='1308332851' post='5290363'] The bible is not God's word... The bible was created by people who THINK they know God's word... In my view God does not give a damn what happens to anybody, and he proves it by doing nothing about the problems facing society today... Therefore I believe God thinks it is fine for Homosexuals to be Homosexuals and get married he just does not care though to tell anybody... [/quote] So much ignorance and hate. "the Bible is not God's word...the Bible was created by people who THINK they know God's word..." from my understanding, God gave them authors the words to write (only in such examples as Moses who wrote earlier about Noah and the Garden, otherwise, books like Proverbs and Matthew-through-John were all written as different perspectives but sharing the same story. "...and he proves it by doing nothing about the problems facing society today." You are doing a great job at trolling. God still does little things, but just because he can't do everything he wants for you or other greedy corporate slime balls. God does not guarantee life on Earth will be perfect, nor is perfect. He will help at times. He has a higher agenda than us and His will is unknown to us. Putting your mind in the same context as God's is almost like comparing a piece of sand to the universe. "because he does not care enough to tell anybody" GTfrickO he gave us His word which you think is all a bunch of lies. Note at Cody Frost's SIX BIBLE PASSAGES: " Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination." Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death." " -------------- "The use of Leviticus to condemn and reject homosexuals is obviously a hypocritical selective use of the Bible against gays and lesbians. Nobody today tries to keep the laws in Leviticus. Look at Leviticus 11:1-12, where all unclean animals are forbidden as food, including rabbits, pigs, and shellfish, such as oysters, shrimp, lobsters, crabs, clams, and others that are called an "abomination." Leviticus 20:25 demands that "you are to make a distinction between the clean and unclean animal and between the unclean and clean bird; and you shall not make yourself an abomination by animal or by bird or by anything that creeps on the ground, which I have separated for you as unclean." You can eat some insects like locusts (grasshoppers), but not others. Leviticus 12:1-8 declares that a woman is unclean for 33 days after giving birth to a boy and for 66 days after giving birth to a girl and goes on to demand that certain animals must be offered as a burnt offering and a sin offering for cleansing. Nobody today who claims to be a Christian tries to keep these laws, and few people even know about them! Why do you think that most people don't know about them? " ------------------ [size="6"][color="#FF0000"][b]My PIECE OF EVIDENCE OF WHICH DISPROVES LEVITICUS' FORMER LAWS[/b][/color][/size] " Jesus said, "Are you too so uncomprehending? Don't you see that whatever goes into your mouth from the outside cannot defile you; because it does not go into your heart, but into your stomach, and is eliminated? [b][color="#FF0000"](Thus Jesus declared all foods clean.").[/b] [/color]And Jesus added, "That which proceeds from within you, out of your heart, defiles you. Evil thoughts, abusive sex acts, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting, wickedness, deceit, not caring, envy, slander, arrogance and foolishness: all of these evil things proceed from within and defile you." " I am not sure on how one might respond to this; I was looking for flaws in his argument and I found this. ---- @ West Wing What was considered regular back in the old testament can be nullified by the blood of Jesus. Why we don't stone our neighbors or burn football players is because Jesus' blood made us clean enough to do so. The pig is still considered unholy in Jerusalem, but through Jesus' blood we can become "clean", meaning that such requiries are null and void. Sacrifices are no longer wanted nor needed from God, the reason being that it would be insulting and saying Jesus' dying on the cross was not enough. The same goes for bugs and linen and dead pigskin. Those laws became void. But again Homosexuality is brought up in 1 Timothy, "for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine..." 1:10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsianGuy1137 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 @ Post Above Me Even though I'm a complete stranger who's only read over one post you've made so far, I've come to completely respect you. + 1 rep. I was having a conversation with my friend a while ago who's a pretty devout Christian. We were talking about how the Bible has to be read as a whole. I was asking him if some of the old laws could be disregarded becuase a new Covenant was made, specifically those concerning homosexuality, but the scripture from Timothy seems to settle it. I have a friend who's a really nice person but chose to be gay (not sure if it's something you choose), and a lot of people who I thought were this person's friends are starting to hate. So I'm conflicted on this. The mainstream argument against homosexuality in general is that it's 1) Unproductive, and 2) Disturbing for certain people. I would say that although gay people won't be having babies any time soon, adoption is a viable option recognized by many states and institutions. Besides, not all straight couples actually settle down for having kids either, but they're not being condemned about it. As for the latter, we're supposed to be the melting pot/salad bowl/ or whatever they call this country these days so people should just grow up and learn that everyone's different and that so long as they're not infringing on your rights, they have a right to be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 It's 2011 Vough, and though I don't hate christians themselves, something as stupid as christianity and the people that follow it is just so against my morals. Apparently finding contradictions within the Bible about half of Leviticus' crazy rules suddenly proves that all of the Bible can interpreted and followed(because the Bible, halfway through begins turning on old points?). I just can't comprehend following something so blindly, it's like trying to understand nothing or infinity. If Jesus could apparently put an end to what people now understand to be ridiculous ideas that Leviticus preached about, then somebody should in a modern era be able to point out how BS many of Jesus' teachings are, and people are. Your twisted sense of morals involve preventing others from marrying because of what an archaic self-help book said. Can you list a legitimate reason as to why it's bad? No. Can you point to a cherry-picked line from the Bible and say it's against gay marriage? Yes. And that level of ignorance is highly aggravating. And another thing: if you're against homosexuality you're against homosexuals. You can say you're against the practice and not the individual to try and soften your infringing views, but if I said I'm against heteros, and you apparently love your girlfriend more than your life, isn't that being against a significant part of your identity? [quote name='Kyubey' timestamp='1309577435' post='5327076'] [b]EDIT:[/b] @above, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual_erasure [/quote] Yeah, because that's definitely what I'm doing by pointing out that there are people who think/say they're bi that aren't. Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsianGuy1137 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Clearly religion isn't the best course for this discussion to go. If someone in the future say invented some kind of pill that could change people's sexual preferences, would it be moral/ethical/practical to administer it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Lance Corporal Atlas' timestamp='1309622726' post='5328090'] It's 2011 Vough, and though I don't hate christians themselves, something as stupid as christianity and the people that follow it is just so against my morals. Apparently finding contradictions within the Bible about half of Leviticus' crazy rules suddenly proves that all of the Bible can interpreted and followed(because the Bible, halfway through begins turning on old points?). I just can't comprehend following something so blindly, it's like trying to understand nothing or infinity. If Jesus could apparently put an end to what people now understand to be ridiculous ideas that Leviticus preached about, then somebody should in a modern era be able to point out how BS many of Jesus' teachings are, and people are. Your twisted sense of morals involve preventing others from marrying because of what an archaic self-help book said. Can you list a legitimate reason as to why it's bad? No. Can you point to a cherry-picked line from the Bible and say it's against gay marriage? Yes. And that level of ignorance is highly aggravating. And another thing: if you're against homosexuality you're against homosexuals. You can say you're against the practice and not the individual to try and soften your infringing views, but if I said I'm against heteros, and you apparently love your girlfriend more than your life, isn't that being against a significant part of your identity? Yeah, because that's definitely what I'm doing by pointing out that there are people who think/say they're bi that aren't. Okay. [/quote] I'm only involving religion because it was the topic at hand. And as a Christian there are certain parts of the Bible that you must decipher for yourself (like the Genesis Debate/7 day theory) How about you try to point out Jesus' BS yourself, then? And yes, it is possible to love someone but hate their choices. One of my friends had sex when they were 14. I hate the idea of sex before marriage, but does that mean I hate my friend? No. [url]http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-things-gay-people-are-going-to-hate-about-gay-marriage/[/url] Reasons why I'm against gay marriage: 1. It's not procreative. Gays simply cannot have children. However, as you might notice, this brings up the topic of sterile men and unfertile women, which leads me to my next point. 2. Studies show that the majority of kids raised by gay parents turn out gay. [url]http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000028[/url], [url]http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_prohomo.html[/url] 3. Why does this matter? Because of the mass amount of gay bullying in today's school which can lead to depression/suicide/staying in the closet for fear of bullying. [url]http://www.nmha.org/go/information/get-info/children-s-mental-health/bullying-and-gay-youth[/url] 4. It devalues the concept of marriage (it always has been meant for heterosexuals, as is meant to be sacred. Marriage (with children) simply does not work as marriage was designed. A strong, father figure that is protective and providing, with a motherly figure that was the caretaker of the family. Gay marriage does not fit both of these roles) 5. I, as well as any other anti-gay marriage supporter, value that marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman. 6. Civil Marriage exists. It does not defile marriage in my eyes and offers the same legal benefits. It's worked great for Britain >.< 7. If gay couples are allowed to marry and adopt kids then this means they will be able to apply for tax exemptions. Federal tax revenue will plummet, and the congress will be forced to cut budgets. Same reason I'm against abortion (sort of >.< but let's not get off topic) @Asianguy1337 Is it moral/ethical/practical for drag queen surgery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Atlas, I find it highly ignorant of you to call someone out on following a religion blindly, as if you could completely understand those who do. The Bible openly ridicules foolishness and those who do not value knowledge. You think I don't put serious thought into my own faith? A claim of another's ignorance with no solid argument behind it is nothing more than angry banter. Please, if you're going to argue keep it civil. Also, let's try to get off the topic of religion before Dark shows up and the whole conversation turns to s***. Vough, I respect you for being firm in you faith, but most of those points have no legal relevance. The Bill of Rights prevents the government from making any law respecting religion, so... yeah. My opinion is, as long as gays can get the same legal benefits as hets, there should be no problem. "Marriage" is just a cultural ceremony and shouldn't be pressed as what defines equality. As for adoption and tax exemptions, we should just raise taxes or cut the government's budget. (Not that either of those will ever happen.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1309671654' post='5329774'] Reasons why I'm against gay marriage: 1. It's not procreative. Gays simply cannot have children. However, as you might notice, this brings up the topic of sterile men and unfertile women, which leads me to my next point. [b]We're overpopulated anyway[/b] 2. Studies show that the majority of kids raised by gay parents turn out gay. [url]http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000028[/url], [url]http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_prohomo.html[/url] [b]Kay[/b] 3. Why does this matter? Because of the mass amount of gay bullying in today's school which can lead to depression/suicide/staying in the closet for fear of bullying. [url]http://www.nmha.org/go/information/get-info/children-s-mental-health/bullying-and-gay-youth[/url] [b]If the majority of people are gay, bullies are screwed[/b] 4. It devalues the concept of marriage (it always has been meant for heterosexuals, as is meant to be sacred. Marriage (with children) simply does not work as marriage was designed. A strong, father figure that is protective and providing, with a motherly figure that was the caretaker of the family. Gay marriage does not fit both of these roles) [b]So a man can't be a caretaker of the family?[/b] 5. I, as well as any other anti-gay marriage supporter, value that marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman. [b]Kay[/b] 6. Civil Marriage exists. It does not defile marriage in my eyes and offers the same legal benefits. It's worked great for Britain >.< [b]Kay[/b] 7. If gay couples are allowed to marry and adopt kids then this means they will be able to apply for tax exemptions. Federal tax revenue will plummet, and the congress will be forced to cut budgets. Same reason I'm against abortion (sort of >.< but let's not get off topic) [b]Let's just get rid of marriage rights altogether then.[/b] [/quote] And on an unrelated note, I hate religeous discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
❤ Lovely Warrior ❤ Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 this whole topic seems alittle offensive twords religions especially Catholics. lets just leave it at if you support or dont care about gays whatever if you dont then just shutup becuase they are always going to be here and you being rude about it isnt going to change anything and even if there was a ban on homosexuality people will still be gay so theres nothing you could ever do about it and it would be better for people to shut their mouths becuase you bring up other parties/people/religouns ect. and insulting them along with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1309671654' post='5329774'] 4. It devalues the concept of marriage (it always has been meant for heterosexuals, as is meant to be sacred. Marriage (with children) simply does not work as marriage was designed. A strong, father figure that is protective and providing, with a motherly figure that was the caretaker of the family. Gay marriage does not fit both of these roles) [/quote] Times change... This isn't the 50's anymore that rule no longer applies in my book... However im sure you dont care anyways... Marriage is defined by two people who love each other not as a pact between a man and a woman... This is exactly why I hate marriage because it has been misunderstood and misused and our generation is paying for it... Personally if I could I would abolish marriage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 At this point I think federally-recognized marriage should be abolished all together. Let people have their own ceremonies and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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