Dad Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 [quote name='Lance Corporal Atlas' timestamp='1310602179' post='5352886'] I love that line; it works so well in so many instances. [b]xD I have no idea why that was funny.[/b] Adam and Eve are supposed to be what actually happened in regards to creation. The flood, Moses, David, Jesus, all of the stories(excluding ones Jesus and others specifically brought up to be clever metaphors) were taught as fact. As a recording of what had happened. [b]Can't argue with that.[/b] The fact that it's supposed to be literal doesn't make it proof of Christianity. Writing that only uses itself as a reference is not substantial.(see "The Parable of the Dagger") [b]That wasn't exactly what I meant, but it's still f***ing difficult for me to get my point across. I don't know how better else to explain it, so I'll just coincide with you.[/b] The examples you give show wonderfully how there is metaphorical [i]speech[/i]. However, there is no metaphor for Jonah being swallowed then released by a whale - only fantasy. This is where the Bible is literal(and incorrect), when it tries to record events in history. The Bible is also literal when teaching morals, as you demonstrated in the talks on judging(which is something you are indeed right about, many christians do not follow up on the commentary about not judging). This is where you can see sexism, apathy towards slavery, and homophobic ideals spread. [b]True. But again, the Bible was written a LONG time ago. For us to accurately live our lives by every single written law or what have you, would contradict just about everything we do. And since we're talking about the past, this is something no one (as I'm sure is already established by now) can prove. It's like one of those Criminal Investigation shows where they revive a dead case. It was so long ago, there's no evidence.[/b] The Bible is still against homosexuality. You can say they don't want you "judging" it, but it still "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." [i]Romans 1:27[/i] [b]I totally agree with this. Not the quote, but what you said behind it. Yes the Bible does have many depictions of hate for homosexuality, and has it's contradictions. But I'm no Bible scholar. I'm going off what I know and what I understand. When I have a better explanation for you, you'll hear from me.[/b] Also, pretty funny that all these men were throwing their own judgments around while talking about not judging. It's impossible not to judge on some level, so while cute, the entire concept is simply another logical fallacy within the good book. [b]You threw that "good book" bit in there to annoy me didn't you? >=/ But remember, none of these men in the Bible were Jesus. I believe that's only REASONABLE point I can apply here.[/b] A perfect example of how Christians maintain backwards thought can be observed in this sentence. As people realize that homosexuality isn't actually something evil, this line will be increasingly referred to as a metaphor. I'm sure some will try calling itself as such even now in an attempt to save face. [b]It shouldn't be, but there are selective Christians who will turn it into a metaphor. In other words, yes I do believe homosexuality is a sin. However, I will not, and cannot judge my brothers for something such as homosexuality. Whether you're gay or not, it's not my place to judge you. And I for one think these so called extremists, punishing our people for their sexual ORIGIN, should be punished themselves. And now I'm contradicting myself by judging. xD >_>[/b] >Neg over disagreement. >Ghost swears every other sentence >Agrees with you. >"You have gained my full respect." I love Christians. [b]<3 you too[/b] [/quote][quote name='Dark' timestamp='1310607188' post='5353055'] [i]But I'm not hurtin' anybody (I'm no extremist) by believing what I want right?[/i] I don't care if you are or aren't, I already know you aren't one of the retarded Christians, but what about the other twenty or thirty or ten percent [or whatever bullshit number you want to throw at me] of people that do hurt people because they apply their beliefs onto others forcefully? Let's assume you don't like homosexual people. Cool, it's your opinion. But the second you vote against a bill legalizing homosexual marriage, you are forcing your beliefs onto others. I'm not saying you don't have that right; you have the right to vote however you please. But I find it illogical and stupid that some people (cough, Republicans) let religion influence how they deal with government issues and policies. If every single voter in this nation did not correlate religion with government, abortion and homosexual marriage would both be wholly legalized across the nation. [/quote] Number doesn't matter, but again, I agree with you Dark. 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Eh, I just think there should be a more reasonable why to the whole thing. But as long as you aren't outwardly condemning others that's an impressive trait honored in the Bible that fundamentalists ironically turn their back to. I also agree with Dark on voting being a form of forcing ideals. Honestly, there shouldn't even be an election for minority civil rights. Slavery didn't have a popular vote, and if it did it may have still been around today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 [i]don't have to go through an expensive ceremony[/i] From what I understand, government marriage doesn't require any ceremony nor does it require consent from a priest. It's also just the signing of a document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='Lance Corporal Atlas' timestamp='1310652250' post='5354212'] But as long as you aren't outwardly condemning others that's an impressive trait honored in the Bible that fundamentalists ironically turn their back to. [/quote] Sadly, this is true. I'm a fundamentalist, but I'm not going to tell someone they shall burn in hell for being gay, as that's not true. Do I agree with Homosexuality? Not at all. Do I have friends who are, in fact, homosexual or bisexual? Yes, and quite a few. I disagree with them, but it's not my place to judge them. And that's all I have to say on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I disagree with your choice to think that it's a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
六兆年と一夜物語 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 IF YOU WERE GAY THAT'D BE OKAY Ah, forget it. I won't do any more Avenue Q references. Anyway, I find gays creepy. VERY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='Antagonistic Crocodile β' timestamp='1310727357' post='5357156'] IF YOU WERE GAY THAT'D BE OKAY Ah, forget it. I won't do any more Avenue Q references. Anyway, I find gays creepy. VERY. [/quote] lolstereotypes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 By the way, I have a little rebuttal for the whole, "gay people are immoral heathens" argument. To condemn gays is to condemn yourself. While the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, it also states that all humans are sinners. So next time somebody starts being hateful toward gays for that reason, explain that to them and they should be without a counterargument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1310782352' post='5359188'] By the way, I have a little rebuttal for the whole, "gay people are immoral heathens" argument. To condemn gays is to condemn yourself. While the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, it also states that all humans are sinners. So next time somebody starts being hateful toward gays for that reason, explain that to them and they should be without a counterargument. [/quote] Wasn't that discussion already presented? :/ "I shan't judge my brothers" etc.? >_> NO U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 TBH, anyone who says gays should burn in hell should [s]burn in hell themselves[/s] seek the love of Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1310797295' post='5359706'] TBH, anyone who says gays should burn in hell should [s]burn in hell themselves[/s] seek the love of Jesus [/quote] I disagree with that to an extent. If anything, they should go reread the damn Bible. Cuz as it says, Jesus loves all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Leviticus begs to differ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1310798037' post='5359735'] Leviticus begs to differ... [/quote] 18:22? T_T I know. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Fine, since you were to lame to finish it, I WILL! If you were g- *Shot* Anyway, alot of this thread dissapoints me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1310622421' post='5353589'] By allowing it, we are not [b]forcing[/b] people to become homosexual. We are giving them the option to get married if they are. [/quote] I think we should force people to be homosexual, that'd be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Ballin Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='~ P O L A R I S ~' timestamp='1311273388' post='5374814'] I think we should force people to be homosexual, that'd be hilarious. [/quote] I could imagine a few funny situations regarding that comment But in all seriousness, love is love. There's no wrong love or right love. If a dude wants to get it on with another dude, whatevs, that's his preference. It's like food, just because someone likes hotdogs instead of cheesburgers doesn't mean he's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='edman1123' timestamp='1311280868' post='5375197'] I could imagine a few funny situations regarding that comment But in all seriousness, love is love. There's no wrong love or right love. If a dude wants to get it on with another dude, whatevs, that's his preference. It's like food, just because someone likes hotdogs instead of cheesburgers doesn't mean he's wrong. [/quote] Hippys beg to differ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Ballin Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1311281590' post='5375235'] Hippys beg to differ... [/quote] Ah, but who takes what hippies say seriously? Check and Mate good sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='edman1123' timestamp='1311282021' post='5375262'] Ah, but who takes what hippies say seriously? Check and Mate good sir. [/quote] You got me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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