King of Nothing Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='zzuxon' timestamp='1308706584' post='5301615'] The owner of megaman said he would have let megaman be in brawl, had sakurai asked. [/quote] He probably didn't ask for a reason, then. Maybe Sakurai just isn't a fan of Megaman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Put in Lina Inverse. her final smash, guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzuxon Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1308708350' post='5301687'] They either suck (DK, Jig) or just kill you (Samus, Fox) [/quote] You're right. You know what? we should get rid of down b attacks too. Some suck (mario), and some just kill you(DK). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Jigglypuff's Final Smash is more of an annoyance than suckish or just kills you. Granted, it is rare for a Jigglypuff player to kill an experienced player with it's Final Smash, but it's just annoying if it's used. Personally, I consider that Sora LTD added the Final Smash not only for lucksacking kills, but to make it feel more like a fighting genre game (because most recognizable fighting games either have a fatality (Mortal Kombat, Killer Instinct, ect.) or a super move (Street Fighter, Soul Caliber, ect.) and I guess that the Final Smash was to fit in between those 2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigCheese Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 The roster for the next game could be very impressive indeed. I have a huge list of characters that I would love to see added to the roster however most of them have already been mentioned so I am not going to reiterate what has already been put forth. I would though, like to introduce two dark horses who may have slipped under the redar and to me, seem like prime SSB material. Viewtiful Joe & Billy The Egg Hatcher in my opinion would both be fabulous additions to the roster, however I'm sure that my two suggestions will be debated but this is only my opinion. All that aside, this should be an unforgetable game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Would his stage entry be him saying "Henshin A-Go-Go BABY!" And transforming? Anyway, alot of fighting games have those super moves Fatalities Super Moves Astral Hearts So you would think that SSB4 might as well keep the Final Smashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigCheese Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='~N~' timestamp='1308759388' post='5302938'] Would his stage entry be him saying "Henshin A-Go-Go BABY!" And transforming? Yes aha, that would be classic. I just think he would fit so effortlessly into the franchise no? Can you see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Aren't the "B" attacks the special moves in SSB? Anyways, the following characters are characters I would like to see that are actually from Nintendo - Paper Mario Dr. Mario (A better version, please) NES Bowser (Same moves as normal Bowser, but his final smash could be calling Koopa Kid to attack or something) Toadsworth Dixie Kong Travis Touchdown OoT Young Link (Hopefully with the slingshot instead of fire arrows, since he can't use fire arrows) Reworked Ganondorf (incorporating his actual moves) Zelda and Shiek as seperate characters (With a nontransforming down Mewtwo (Returning) Pichu (Returning, where agility doesn't hurt him because its not a thunder attack) Zoroark (Maybe do something with illusion?) And here are characters I'd like to see, but doubt they'd include, from non-nintendo games Bomberman Megaman w/bass costume Zero Knuckles Sonic W/Shadow costume Banjo Kazooie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='zzuxon' timestamp='1308757286' post='5302874'] You're right. You know what? we should get rid of down b attacks too. Some suck (mario), and some just kill you(DK). [/quote] DK VB should never kill you. In fact the move is kind of horrible. Hell most of them aren't kill moves. See Final Smashes ARE meant to kill you. And really, the obvious flaw in that is they could just be made better so why didn't you just say that. The other problem with Final Smashes is the way they swing the game letting the a beginner beat a much better player. However that only matters in really matters when your playing for serious at which point they would be turned off. Really, FS are going to be in the next game, flaw or not, because they are just cool and flashy and most people like them even if they don't play wit them.. [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308768929' post='5303262'] Aren't the "B" attacks the special moves in SSB? Paper Mario Dr. Mario (A better version, please) NES Bowser (Same moves as normal Bowser, but his final smash could be calling Koopa Kid to attack or something) Toadsworth Dixie Kong Travis Touchdown OoT Young Link (Hopefully with the slingshot instead of fire arrows, since he can't use fire arrows) Reworked Ganondorf (incorporating his actual moves) Zelda and Shiek as seperate characters (With a nontransforming down Mewtwo (Returning) Pichu (Returning, where agility doesn't hurt him because its not a thunder attack) Zoroark (Maybe do something with illusion?) And here are characters I'd like to see, but doubt they'd include, from non-nintendo games Bomberman Megaman w/bass costume Zero Knuckles Sonic W/Shadow costume Banjo Kazooie [/quote] Yes they are. B moves are a base of the game they aren't getting pulled and to suggest it is just a "lol what" thing to say. Anyway, Mario series should just get Baby Bowser. DK should get Dixie or King K. OoT Link would just be stupid since it would be the 3rd time they made a link variant. Also Zelda = Shiek meaning they will always be the same character. Unless I'm mistaken Nintendo doesn't own the rights to Travis. P ichu should never come back simply because bringing back something people didn't like isn't smart. I'd love to Banjo make it in, but he's still owned by Rare and Microsoft owns them. Don't think Nintendo wants to help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Bomberman and Megaman please! Banjo-Kazooie would be amazing too actually. Even Conker... but that will never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1308799536' post='5304426'] DK VB should never kill you. In fact the move is kind of horrible. Hell most of them aren't kill moves. See Final Smashes ARE meant to kill you. And really, the obvious flaw in that is they could just be made better so why didn't you just say that. The other problem with Final Smashes is the way they swing the game letting the a beginner beat a much better player. However that only matters in really matters when your playing for serious at which point they would be turned off. Really, FS are going to be in the next game, flaw or not, because they are just cool and flashy and most people like them even if they don't play wit them.. Yes they are. B moves are a base of the game they aren't getting pulled and to suggest it is just a "lol what" thing to say. Anyway, Mario series should just get Baby Bowser. DK should get Dixie or King K. OoT Link would just be stupid since it would be the 3rd time they made a link variant. Also Zelda = Shiek meaning they will always be the same character. Unless I'm mistaken Nintendo doesn't own the rights to Travis. P ichu should never come back simply because bringing back something people didn't like isn't smart. I'd love to Banjo make it in, but he's still owned by Rare and Microsoft owns them. Don't think Nintendo wants to help them. [/quote] Travis Touchdown was supposed to be in Brawl, but he got pulled because the game was too late in production. Oh yes, Brawl would never make the *fox* same *falco* character *wolf* three times with only minor *landmaster* differences. I loved Pichu. Quite a bit, actually. Besides, Nintendo has brought Jigglypuff back twice. Probably not, but then again, Snake is owned by Sony. Sure he has a nintendo game or two, but so does Banjo. Also, just throwing this out there. Why no tails assist trophy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308809456' post='5304671'] Travis Touchdown was supposed to be in Brawl, but he got pulled because the game was too late in production. Oh yes, Brawl would never make the *fox* same *falco* character *wolf* three times with only minor *landmaster* differences. I loved Pichu. Quite a bit, actually. Besides, Nintendo has brought Jigglypuff back twice. Probably not, but then again, Snake is owned by Sony. Sure he has a nintendo game or two, but so does Banjo. Also, just throwing this out there. Why no tails assist trophy? [/quote] I know, it's just he wasn't listed with the other 3rd party characters so I just wanted to point that out. Having tried playing as all 3 I can safely say they play nothing a like. And since I probably never said this in this thread, I never play with FS so I could care less if those are all the same. You might, but most people don't. And Jigs was popular for a time. Reason she made it into Brawl is because most factors were pointing to it being the last smash game by Sakurai. However now that they clearly isn't the case, odds are she'll sit this one out. Snake is owned by Konami, not Sony. This however means someone like Crash Bandicoot is very unlikely since Naughty Dog IS owned by Sony. I never said he wouldn't. Personally should 3rd parties get two playable characters (I really don't think that will happen though) Tails it the most likely based followed by Knuckles. Also think AT will be limited 1 per 3rd party so again it would either be Shadow again or Tails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I just think Banjo could be a fun twist in it. For a time Rare WAS with Nintendo. Maybe he'll be an assist trophy, idk. From what I've gathered, Travis is probably going to happen, Megaman's a possibility (I stand by the fact that he's not a likely one), but I'm not a hundred percent sure if Koopa Kid will be a seperate playable character. He may be an assist trophy, or heck, maybe there will be a koopa kid item that you DONT want to grab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzuxon Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I just want to respond to all the jigglypuff bashing going on. 1. Jigglypuff is not a clone pichu is.\ 2. Jigglypuff is generally considered to be one of the best aerial characters in the game. Pichu was a terrible character overall. 3 and most importantly. In Japan, Jiggly puff is just as Iconic, if not more, than Pikachu. Taking out JigglyPuff would be equivalent to taking out pikachu, for the japanese. Case in point, JigglyPuff will never be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Wasn't Jiggs one of the original 8? The first 8 charecters in SSB, the ones you didn't have to unlock And NO! NO! NO! THAT STUPID FRIGGIN' SQUIRLE IS NOT GOING TO BE IN! One because Nintendo didn't support that game at all. And two because he's just so FRIGGIN stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Amy Rose is who I'd like to see. Final Smash: Piko Piko Smash where her hammer grows to an emormous size and slams all opponents offscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308815950' post='5304766'] I just think Banjo could be a fun twist in it. For a time Rare WAS with Nintendo. Maybe he'll be an assist trophy, idk. [/quote] Yea, they were. That's why Rare made the original DKC games. And if he does make it in he WILL be playable. Nintendo isn't going to go to 3rd parties just for an AT. [quote name='zzuxon' timestamp='1308841517' post='5305144'] I just want to respond to all the jigglypuff bashing going on. 1. Jigglypuff is not a clone pichu is.\ 2. Jigglypuff is generally considered to be one of the best aerial characters in the game. Pichu was a terrible character overall. 3 and most importantly. In Japan, Jiggly puff is just as Iconic, if not more, than Pikachu. Taking out JigglyPuff would be equivalent to taking out pikachu, for the japanese. Case in point, JigglyPuff will never be removed. [/quote] 1. When did we ever say she was? 2. She was in Melee. In 1 and Brawl she was near the bottom of the tier lists, so yea, overall she's a bad character. 3. Um......no. I know Jigs was big in Japan for a while, that's how she got in the first one, but from what I've heard that has long since pasted. And to say she was ever more iconic then Pikachu, when it is THE face of pokemon, is a really hard sell and something I'll never buy (but who knows I've never been to Japan). Either way I'll stand by the fact that Jigs heyday is long over. [quote name='~N~' timestamp='1308866677' post='5305954'] Wasn't Jiggs one of the original 8? The first 8 charecters in SSB, the ones you didn't have to unlock [/quote] No, she was the first character you would often unlock though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Jigglypuff is a good character... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Nobody's really questioned this yet, but does anyone think Andy from Advance Wars might be in it? He could use little toy robots to attack, and advance wars WAS in an assist trophy before. I just think he could be a really fun character to use. B - Soldier - Creates a small soldier that fires guns forward. Holds, but shortens range of fire as beind held. Side B - Wrench - Hits an enemy with the wrench, sending them forward. Up B - Battle Helicopter - Helicopter carries him up and shoots machine guns while doing it Down B - Bomber - Bomber ship drops a bomb in front of him. Might be the side B, not sure. Final Smash - Bomber Mayham - A bunch of small bombers go across the stage, constantly dropping bombs. The bombers can die if being hit, but more keep coming until it times out. All of his a attacks would probably involve punching, kicking and the wrench for smash a attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1308868104' post='5306024'] Jigglypuff is a good character... [/quote] That's why the Brawl tier list has her at 35/38? Really, Jigs isn't good. And on the note of AT, I think some of them have a decent shot at making it in. However for every one that looks like they would be a fun character to play (Little Mac, Saki Amamiya) their is one that doesn't have a chance (Metroid, Tingle). On the note of other AT's I'd like to see playable, I'd say Custom Robo and Isaac top my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzuxon Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1308869026' post='5306074'] That's why the Brawl tier list has her at 35/38? Really, Jigs isn't good. And on the note of AT, I think some of them have a decent shot at making it in. However for every one that looks like they would be a fun character to play (Little Mac, Saki Amamiya) their is one that doesn't have a chance (Metroid, Tingle). On the note of other AT's I'd like to see playable, I'd say Custom Robo and Isaac top my list. [/quote] You should refer to "Custom Robo as Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Metallium Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Since we see MH Zero in MVC3 and of course i would like to see x in it i like that his final smash would be his comet headbutt that would be awesome!!! This is what aim referring XD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eJ23ZZQ8Jo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='zzuxon' timestamp='1308873297' post='5306289'] You should refer to "Custom Robo as Ray. [/quote] I'd much rather have the illegal one (I believe his name was Raith) than Ray. Cool idea for a custom robo character - what if, instead of an actual character, that little cube thing was an item and it released a random robot model with random guns that flew around and fired, bombed, and podded (if that's a word) the living (4kids censorship coming) daylights [/censorship] out of the other people on the map? Almost like a pokeball or assist trophy =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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