SSB4 HAS BEEN PROMISED!!!!!

[Toffee.]

[quote name='~N~' timestamp='1308025905' post='5282017']
I like how everyone just assumes there will be differant rosters
[/quote]
Game 1:
Mario, Luigi, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Link, Fox, DK, Captain Falon, and Ness.

Game 2:
Mario, Luigi, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Link, Fox, DK, Captain Falon, and Ness
(off the top of my head) +Roy, Marth, Mewtwo, Ganon, Zelda, Bowser, Peach, Pichu, Dr.Mario, Young Link, Falco, and Ice Climbers

Game 3:
Mario, Luigi, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Link, Fox, DK, Captain Falon, Ness
-Dr.Mario, Mewtwo, Roy, Young Link, and Pichu
(off the top of my head) +Diddy, Wario, Ike, R.O.B., Wolf, Lucas, Pokemon Trainer, Olimar, Snake, Sonic, and Lucario.
+A Ganon slightly different Ganon that isnt as much of a Captain Falcon clone as the 1st game

So yea... They did shuffle around a few of the character.

[Grunt Issun]

I meant for the versions of the game, sorry for the missunderstanding.

[King of Nothing]

[quote name='~N~' timestamp='1308027956' post='5282070']
I meant for the versions of the game, sorry for the missunderstanding.
[/quote]
Oh yes, because if pokemon tought me anything, it's that nintendo would never publish the same game with different obtainable characters for more money.

Of course there's different rosters for the game, it only makes since. I don't think they'll be that severe, but there will be. After all, the Wii U is going to have the play ability of a PS3. If the same game with the same roster is created for both the 3DS and the Wii U, the Wii U version would be terrible compared to other games.

[Flame Dragon]

[quote name='Umbra' timestamp='1308015767' post='5281670']
I suppose you've never heard of content patches. I believe we had the same discussion when Brawl was in the works, and I have no interest in having that again.


Very, very few. My most recent acquisition was Fable III, which I feel was different enough from The Lost Chapters (the last Fable game I played, as Fable II never came to the PC) to be enjoyable. Apparently we have different standards when it comes to gaming.
[/quote]
O yea, we did. Then lets not beat the dead horse.

[quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308028348' post='5282082']
Oh yes, because if pokemon tought me anything, it's that nintendo would never publish the same game with different obtainable characters for more money.

Of course there's different rosters for the game, it only makes since. I don't think they'll be that severe, but there will be. After all, the Wii U is going to have the play ability of a PS3. If the same game with the same roster is created for both the 3DS and the Wii U, the Wii U version would be terrible compared to other games.
[/quote]
You need to understand something though, Pokemon is different then Smash.

The reason why version exclusives work in Pokemon is because you can simply trade with people to get the pokemon you don't have. I highly doubt they will have some trade function in SB4. As such by having version exclusives would be horrible because you wouldn't be able to play all the characters and I'm thinking that number will be about 5 in each, and that is sizable amount.

And how will them having the same roster make the WiiU version "terrible compared to other games" 1) That honestly makes no sense since how does a version being on a handheld make SB4 any worse then say Zelda HD. 2) Their is inherent pros to each. For the handheld you can play the game on the road, but you really won't be able to play against friends unless everyone you know has both a 3DS and the game. The reverse is true for the home version.

So no, they will not have character exclusives.

[Lonk]

Lloyd's Movelist will be too easy to make.

Standing B: Demon Fang - Lloyd creates an on-the-ground shockwave from one of his blades. It can also be charged up into Fierce Demon Fang, where the shockwave has a close-up range but has more devastating power, netting 3 hits each with 21% damage at a standard. regularly, it's power compares to that of Falco's blaster, but when charged it can be as strong as a Smash side where it's launch power is highest.

Up B: Tempest - Lloyd rotates with his blades onto a wide arch recovery and slashes at enemies in his way. It can also be charged up into Psi Tempest, where the wide recovery becomes wider and it appears as though he is floating in the air. The more to the tip your opponent is hit by, the greater the launch potential.

Down B: Sword Rain - Lloyd quickly thrusts his blades 7 times, dealing 7 damage each. It can also be charged up into Sonic Sword Rain, where it will not only add more additional thrusts, but the last thrust will have much more launch potential.

Side B: Tiger Blade - Lloyd goes up into the air to slash his opponent with one of his swords, then slash downward with his other sword. It can also be charged into Raging Tiger Blade, which has the ascending move followed by a quick horizontal slash which your opponent is stunned by and won't move followed by a swooping slash downward. The move itself is not great at launching power, but can easily spike your opponent if they get caught in.

Final Smash: Falcon's Crest - Lloyd combines both of his Material Blades to form the Eternal Sword. This creates a binding range that catches and constantly damages enemies in it's glowing seal. Lloyd jumps in the air and slashes downward, constantly damaging all who are in the circular range of the technique and finally launching his opponents far away. Also, when he starts his Final Smash, he will say "I will show you Divine Justice!" and right before slashing downward, he says "Falcon's Crest!" with a rectangular picture of him going across the screen like in the Tales games when a character uses a Mystic Arte (or a Hi-Ougi in Japan).

[King of Nothing]

[quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1308032886' post='5282165']
O yea, we did. Then lets not beat the dead horse.


You need to understand something though, Pokemon is different then Smash.

The reason why version exclusives work in Pokemon is because you can simply trade with people to get the pokemon you don't have. I highly doubt they will have some trade function in SB4. As such by having version exclusives would be horrible because you wouldn't be able to play all the characters and I'm thinking that number will be about 5 in each, and that is sizable amount.

And how will them having the same roster make the WiiU version "terrible compared to other games" 1) That honestly makes no sense since how does a version being on a handheld make SB4 any worse then say Zelda HD. 2) Their is inherent pros to each. For the handheld you can play the game on the road, but you really won't be able to play against friends unless everyone you know has both a 3DS and the game. The reverse is true for the home version.

So no, they will not have character exclusives.
[/quote]
Ok, so what's the interaction? And don't say "The 3ds functions as a controller!" because if that was the case, there would be no reason for the 3ds to have the game at all. Version exclusives are the only things that make sense, where the 3DS version can hook up to the Wii U version so you can play the 3ds only characters on the Wii U.

EDIT: @the roster bit, it'd be terrible compared to other games because nintendo would be stuck with the memory in 3DS games. The Wii U can do so much more than the 3DS, so I'm hoping that it will have more characters. Still, Nintendo needs to motivate people to buy the 3DS version, so it'll probably have version exclusives as well.

Remember, nintendo likes money, and people buying two of "the same" game is almost double the money =P

[Phantom Roxas]

[quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｔｒｉｐｐｉｎｇ ＭＥＲＣＵＲＹ' timestamp='1308002477' post='5281197']
if any of the 12 from the first game, SSBM, and SSBB aren't in there i will rage

[b]Characters i would liek to see return:[/b]
Young Link (because of OoT remake?)
Mewtwo (who wouldn't)

honestly i think this SB game might have the biggest roster yet.
[/quote]

Young Link would have to sufficiently different from Toon Link, who is supposed to be the "current gen" replacement for him. I honestly think that having characters present in the 3DS version but not the Wii U version would be silly.

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1308008083' post='5281373']The existing Pokemon Trainer is based on [s]Ash[/s] Red.
A "new" trainer would be based on [s]Gary[/s] Blue.[/quote]

[spoiler=This must happen.][IMG]http://static.zerochan.net/full/40/08/507940.jpg[/IMG][/spoiler]

[Toffee.]

TBH, The only real things I'm looking forward to:
R.O.B. stays in the game, and Ganon actually uses a sword to fight with.

[quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1308071524' post='5282796']
[spoiler=This must happen.][IMG]http://static.zerochan.net/full/40/08/507940.jpg[/IMG][/spoiler]
[/quote]
Or watch, they make the next Trainer [i]Green[/i], and give her all kinds of ridiculous stuff.
Which wouldn't make sense at all :/

[Flame Dragon]

[quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308067809' post='5282682']
Ok, so what's the interaction? And don't say "The 3ds functions as a controller!" because if that was the case, there would be no reason for the 3ds to have the game at all. Version exclusives are the only things that make sense, where the 3DS version can hook up to the Wii U version so you can play the 3ds only characters on the Wii U.

EDIT: @the roster bit, it'd be terrible compared to other games because nintendo would be stuck with the memory in 3DS games. The Wii U can do so much more than the 3DS, so I'm hoping that it will have more characters. Still, Nintendo needs to motivate people to buy the 3DS version, so it'll probably have version exclusives as well.

Remember, nintendo likes money, and people buying two of "the same" game is almost double the money =P
[/quote]
I have no idea. Hell, Nintendo doesn't even know. And no, it isn't the only thing, it's just the most obvious answer. Really, characters are to important to be denied to people and doing so is honestly bad game design. Again, Nintendo has never forced people to get the 2nd version of a game. Now to answer the question, it could unlock all kinds of other easter eggs in the WiiU version. Really, think about all the extra crap Brawl had, now imaging some of that being unlockable via the other version and there you go.

You really don't know how strong the 3DS is do you. While it won't be able to handle all the extra crap Brawl might have had it should be strong enough to have 45 characters + 50 stages + different single player stuff, and that's the basic stuff I'd expect from SB4. At the core that is what you buy the game for so not having trophies lets say isn't much of a problem when you now have a portable version of the game.

Nintendo like money, but they will never make a game suffer because of it.

[King of Nothing]

Yeah the 3ds is powerful, but it definitely can't compete with the PS3 (of which the Wii U can). I'm not saying that Nintendo should burn in hell for making two separate versions of the same game for two different consoles, I just hope beyond hope that they remember to use the Wii U fully and not just import it from one console to the next. So many times a PS3 or Xbox 360 game suffers because it was imported from one console to the other, and the same thing can happen here. Nintendo wants money which is why it will add incentive to buy both versions. Beyond version exclusives? Most likely. But the Wii U version will probably have more characters which means that the 3DS version will probably have a couple of alt characters. Well, that or at least alt costumes. The point being that, if there isn't any difference between the two, I'm not getting a Wii U. Brawl is the only reason I got a wii, and if the next one in the franchise is dual-console and there aren't any version exclusives, I'd rather pay 20 bucks less and get a 3D version o.o

I mean, wouldn't you? This is most likely the problem that Nintendo sees. They have amazing customer analysts. Think about it, they tackled the casual gaming market when people began to think it would be all hardcore, and they monopolized on motion control. These analysts must be saying "If there's no difference, people are going to get the cheaper one that's more convenient to play. It'd be overall better than the other one."

The PS3 taught us that people aren't willing to spend extra on graphics alone, which I'm sure Nintendo has caught up on. There has to be quite a few improvements the Wii U version has over the 3DS version, or Nintendo better hope the Wii U can pull an amazing game out of its "Wii U".

[zzuxon]

[quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308171987' post='5285793']
Yeah the 3ds is powerful, but it definitely can't compete with the PS3 (of which the Wii U can). I'm not saying that Nintendo should burn in hell for making two separate versions of the same game for two different consoles, I just hope beyond hope that they remember to use the Wii U fully and not just import it from one console to the next. So many times a PS3 or Xbox 360 game suffers because it was imported from one console to the other, and the same thing can happen here. Nintendo wants money which is why it will add incentive to buy both versions. Beyond version exclusives? Most likely. But the Wii U version will probably have more characters which means that the 3DS version will probably have a couple of alt characters. Well, that or at least alt costumes. The point being that, if there isn't any difference between the two, I'm not getting a Wii U. Brawl is the only reason I got a wii, and if the next one in the franchise is dual-console and there aren't any version exclusives, I'd rather pay 20 bucks less and get a 3D version o.o

I mean, wouldn't you? This is most likely the problem that Nintendo sees. They have amazing customer analysts. Think about it, they tackled the casual gaming market when people began to think it would be all hardcore, and they monopolized on motion control. These analysts must be saying "If there's no difference, people are going to get the cheaper one that's more convenient to play. It'd be overall better than the other one."

The PS3 taught us that people aren't willing to spend extra on graphics alone, which I'm sure Nintendo has caught up on. There has to be quite a few improvements the Wii U version has over the 3DS version, or Nintendo better hope the Wii U can pull an amazing game out of its "Wii U".
[/quote]
You, my friend, have hit it on the nose.

[quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1308084498' post='5283326']
I have no idea. Hell, Nintendo doesn't even know. And no, it isn't the only thing, it's just the most obvious answer. Really, characters are to important to be denied to people and doing so is honestly bad game design. Again, Nintendo has never forced people to get the 2nd version of a game. Now to answer the question, it could unlock all kinds of other easter eggs in the WiiU version. Really, think about all the extra crap Brawl had, now imaging some of that being unlockable via the other version and there you go.

You really don't know how strong the 3DS is do you. While it won't be able to handle all the extra crap Brawl might have had it should be strong enough to have 45 characters + 50 stages + different single player stuff, and that's the basic stuff I'd expect from SB4. At the core that is what you buy the game for so not having trophies lets say isn't much of a problem when you now have a portable version of the game.

Nintendo like money, but they will never make a game suffer because of it.
[/quote]
I love trophies. They make smash bros. like a compilation of nintendo history. If they got rid of trophies I would be very, very mad.

[Flame Dragon]

[quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308171987' post='5285793']
Yeah the 3ds is powerful, but it definitely can't compete with the PS3 (of which the Wii U can). I'm not saying that Nintendo should burn in hell for making two separate versions of the same game for two different consoles, I just hope beyond hope that they remember to use the Wii U fully and not just import it from one console to the next. So many times a PS3 or Xbox 360 game suffers because it was imported from one console to the other, and the same thing can happen here. Nintendo wants money which is why it will add incentive to buy both versions. Beyond version exclusives? Most likely. But the Wii U version will probably have more characters which means that the 3DS version will probably have a couple of alt characters. Well, that or at least alt costumes. The point being that, if there isn't any difference between the two, I'm not getting a Wii U. Brawl is the only reason I got a wii, and if the next one in the franchise is dual-console and there aren't any version exclusives, I'd rather pay 20 bucks less and get a 3D version o.o

I mean, wouldn't you? This is most likely the problem that Nintendo sees. They have amazing customer analysts. Think about it, they tackled the casual gaming market when people began to think it would be all hardcore, and they monopolized on motion control. These analysts must be saying "If there's no difference, people are going to get the cheaper one that's more convenient to play. It'd be overall better than the other one."

The PS3 taught us that people aren't willing to spend extra on graphics alone, which I'm sure Nintendo has caught up on. There has to be quite a few improvements the Wii U version has over the 3DS version, or Nintendo better hope the Wii U can pull an amazing game out of its "Wii U".
[/quote]
You know we could be thinking of this the wrong way. All your point are valid assuming they are the same game, but what makes you assume they are? In re-watching the video, he never said they would be, it's just the first thing we jump to. All he said is they will make Smash for both systems and they will interact. An interesting thing they could do is remake Melee on the 3DS. For the connectivity you could unlock various events and stages from Melee into the new smash game. And of course they are going to be different even if the games themselves are the same. We know the new smash game is going to take advantage of the WiiU controller and whatever it may do will not be due able on the 3DS. You yourself said that the 3DS can't handle everything the WiiU can. Assuming Sakurai does what he did for Brawl, he's going to push the system the it's fullest and put in as much as possible.

How is it $20 less? He don't know the price of WiiU games. It could easily keep the $50 price tag that Wii game had cutting the difference in half. And again is having the handheld
worth the trade off not really being able to play with your friend the way you do Brawl? Sure it will have online, but if your friends don't own the game they won't be able to play it and that is a big loss imo.

People don't think lower price means better. Most people associate higher prices for good as those being of higher quality. Also, your logic doesn't add up. If Nintendo wants the 3DS version to sell they can't make the U version better. Even if WiiU games end up at $60, people will pay more if the game itself better and just not by the cheap alternative. I mean why pay the extra money when all you get is a few characters. Hell, depending on how the games interact you could just cheat and one version to get the bonuses.

And since you want to speak from Nintendo's perceptive, lets assume I'm right and the 3DS version is a remake. It will take a lot less time to develop it and so they could release in a year, year and a half vs the new games development time of anywhere from 2 to 3 years. Assuming they do this they can release the first game a lot earlier and not cause any competition between the two versions. The game will also sell very well thanks to Melee's huge following, it being a decently old game at ten years old and the huge demand for a handheld smash. Not only that they would be able to update it graphically and even change around some balance issues the first had.

[quote name='zzuxon' timestamp='1308176266' post='5285937']
I love trophies. They make smash bros. like a compilation of nintendo history. If they got rid of trophies I would be very, very mad.
[/quote]
I never said they would pull them. I said you unlock bonus ones.

[Grunt Issun]

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1308075685' post='5282944']
TBH, The only real things I'm looking forward to:
R.O.B. stays in the game, and Ganon actually uses a sword to fight with.


Or watch, they make the next Trainer [i]Green[/i], and give her all kinds of ridiculous stuff.
Which wouldn't make sense at all :/
[/quote]
No offense, but Green is the name from the manga, the video game charecters name is Leaf, because she came out in Leafgreen, where as the others came out earlier.

[King of Nothing]

[quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1308205997' post='5286960']
You know we could be thinking of this the wrong way. All your point are valid assuming they are the same game, but what makes you assume they are? In re-watching the video, he never said they would be, it's just the first thing we jump to. All he said is they will make Smash for both systems and they will interact. An interesting thing they could do is remake Melee on the 3DS. For the connectivity you could unlock various events and stages from Melee into the new smash game. And of course they are going to be different even if the games themselves are the same. We know the new smash game is going to take advantage of the WiiU controller and whatever it may do will not be due able on the 3DS. You yourself said that the 3DS can't handle everything the WiiU can. Assuming Sakurai does what he did for Brawl, he's going to push the system the it's fullest and put in as much as possible.

How is it $20 less? He don't know the price of WiiU games. It could easily keep the $50 price tag that Wii game had cutting the difference in half. And again is having the handheld
worth the trade off not really being able to play with your friend the way you do Brawl? Sure it will have online, but if your friends don't own the game they won't be able to play it and that is a big loss imo.

People don't think lower price means better. Most people associate higher prices for good as those being of higher quality. Also, your logic doesn't add up. If Nintendo wants the 3DS version to sell they can't make the U version better. Even if WiiU games end up at $60, people will pay more if the game itself better and just not by the cheap alternative. I mean why pay the extra money when all you get is a few characters. Hell, depending on how the games interact you could just cheat and one version to get the bonuses.

And since you want to speak from Nintendo's perceptive, lets assume I'm right and the 3DS version is a remake. It will take a lot less time to develop it and so they could release in a year, year and a half vs the new games development time of anywhere from 2 to 3 years. Assuming they do this they can release the first game a lot earlier and not cause any competition between the two versions. The game will also sell very well thanks to Melee's huge following, it being a decently old game at ten years old and the huge demand for a handheld smash. Not only that they would be able to update it graphically and even change around some balance issues the first had.
[/quote]

My logic isn't that the 3ds version would sell more because the Wii U version is better. My logic is that two games, should they have the same title, with the same playable characters, would make people lean towards the cheaper version that's playable everywhere. I'm not saying that's going to happen. I'm saying that's the reason it won't happen. Before, you argued that it would be stupid of Nintendo to release the two games with different characters.

[quote='Flame Dragon']As such by having version exclusives would be horrible because you wouldn't be able to play all the characters[/quote]

A remake of Melee would be amazing, but I highly doubt that it'll sell enough. A lot of people thought of Melee as their favorite (I'm in the minority thinking that brawl and the original were better and melee was the worst), but I don't think it would attract enough new members. Melee came out in, what, 2000? That means it'll be 12 years (assuming the 2012 release of the game) since melee came out. A lot of people who have played Brawl probably haven't played Melee, and even then, about 25% of the people who get the latest game (Why don't we call it Super Smash Bros. Rumble for now?) have not played either Melee or the original.

Being realistic, now, I'm expecting a "Super Smash Pack" or something, giving the 3ds both smash bros. and melee. But I don't think that'll be the "New" smash bros. for the 3DS. I still standby my point that the Wii U will feature more console characters, and the 3DS features more handheld playable characters.

[Tentacruel]

Woah woah woah guys chill out. I think the main reason they're making it for both systems is so people that only have one of them can still get the game. Also, I think the interaction will just be that the WiiU and the 3DS can play each-other in online matchmaking, instead of each system being limited to playing against people with that console. Knowing Nintendo, there might also be some bonus content that you can access by linking them.

[Laskeri - Unmei no Senshi]

One thing I'd like to see:

Nintendo release a dev kit to companies so that they can make their own characters, they run it by nintendo, and those characters can be released as DLC.


[color="#FFFFFF"]So I can beg Gainax/Aniplex/Bandai to make Kamina a character[/color]

[Ice.]

I just want my Mega Man.

Capcom, don't be a b**** for once and PLEASE allow Mega Man to be in the game.

Oh, and a Phoenix Wright assist trophy would be cool too.

[King of Nothing]

I highly doubt Capcom will be releasing Megaman into Smash Bros. without some kind of reward. I'd love him to be in the game but...I'm pretty sure he'd just be another samus (he may even turn into Lan after the final smash)

[Flame Dragon]

[quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308688621' post='5300936']
I highly doubt Capcom will be releasing Megaman into Smash Bros. without some kind of reward. I'd love him to be in the game but...I'm pretty sure he'd just be another samus (he may even turn into Lan after the final smash)
[/quote]
How do you think we got Sonic in Brawl? Of course they would get something out of it.

And you clearly don't know much about Megaman if you think he would be like Samus. All they share in common in the arm canon. After that I'd say he's play a lot more like PT with VB changing up his standard B move.

[Toffee.]

My guess for Megaman's move-set, provided he comes into the game:
B: is a Megabuster that works similar to Fox's laser gun.
Side-B: he launches a fully charged Megabuster shot
B+Up: Rush teleports next to him, and uses his coil ability. It can be used by anyone else.
B+Down: Eddie teleports next to Megaman and drops a health item that restores a bit of %, but like 50% of the time Eddie just drops random stuff from his head.

....and I get the feeling they will remove the Final Smash.

[Resident Fascist]

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1308693000' post='5301098']
....and I get the feeling they will remove the Final Smash.
[/quote]

Because it's flawed.

[Ice.]

[quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308688621' post='5300936']
I highly doubt Capcom will be releasing Megaman into Smash Bros. without some kind of reward. I'd love him to be in the game but...I'm pretty sure he'd just be another samus (he may even turn into Lan after the final smash)
[/quote]

lolexe

Nah man, Classic is vastly superior.

I made a Mega Man moveset before that utilized his weapons (side B for Rolling Cutter was one, I think) and it worked well,

They need to get creative.

Also Paper Mario would be boss.

[King of Nothing]

[quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1308690488' post='5301009']
How do you think we got Sonic in Brawl? Of course they would get something out of it.

And you clearly don't know much about Megaman if you think he would be like Samus. All they share in common in the arm canon. After that I'd say he's play a lot more like PT with VB changing up his standard B move.
[/quote]

Cannon B. Guided Missle Sideways B (maybe shotgun, not sure). Mini boomer down B. Up B = Yoyo jump.

o.o

Also, Sega and Nintendo are way closer than Capcom and Nintendo. We don't have a "Megaman and Mario at the olympic games" Video Game, and Capcom at the moment is probably focusing on Marvel vs Capcom 3 DLC and some other fighting games to worry about Super Smash Bros. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's not likely.

[zzuxon]

[quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308703211' post='5301461']
Cannon B. Guided Missle Sideways B (maybe shotgun, not sure). Mini boomer down B. Up B = Yoyo jump.

o.o

Also, Sega and Nintendo are way closer than Capcom and Nintendo. We don't have a "Megaman and Mario at the olympic games" Video Game, and Capcom at the moment is probably focusing on Marvel vs Capcom 3 DLC and some other fighting games to worry about Super Smash Bros. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's not likely.
[/quote]
The owner of megaman said he would have let megaman be in brawl, had sakurai asked.

[quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1308693999' post='5301151']
Because it's flawed.
[/quote]
What about final smashes are flawed?

[Flame Dragon]

[quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308703211' post='5301461']
Cannon B. Guided Missle Sideways B (maybe shotgun, not sure). Mini boomer down B. Up B = Yoyo jump.

o.o

Also, Sega and Nintendo are way closer than Capcom and Nintendo. We don't have a "Megaman and Mario at the olympic games" Video Game, and Capcom at the moment is probably focusing on Marvel vs Capcom 3 DLC and some other fighting games to worry about Super Smash Bros. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's not likely.
[/quote]
See the problem their is your making him into a clone.

B: Charge Shot/Black Hole/Charge Bomb/any of the weapons he gets in his game
VB: Weapon Change
^B: Beat (a lot like Snakes ^B )
<B>: Proto Shield (think Pit's VB)

[quote name='zzuxon' timestamp='1308706584' post='5301615']
What about final smashes are flawed?
[/quote]
They either suck (DK, Jig) or just kill you (Samus, Fox)