Mugendramon Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Zetsubou Black' timestamp='1306872036' post='5244830'] You really are not getting it at all. I mean, I've explained it, others have explained it, and you just don't get it. Sorry, I don't have the time to waste on you to answer every single little thing, but let me say this. I said Armadillo CAN search a Variety, and that makes him more like Stratos, and different from Gadgets or Rocket. You keep repeating the same idiotic points, over and over. You're wrong. You cannot truly compare Rocket or Gadgets to Stratos, as they do not search like he does. You can choose Armadillo, who is very similar, just can't search himself and 3 other supporters. [/quote] OR ARCHFIEND, WHO IS SUPERIOR TO ALL ABO- *shot* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcher boyz Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Zetsubou Black' timestamp='1306872036' post='5244830'] You really are not getting it at all. I mean, I've explained it, others have explained it, and you just don't get it. Sorry, I don't have the time to waste on you to answer every single little thing, but let me say this. I said Armadillo CAN search a Variety, and that makes him more like Stratos, and different from Gadgets or Rocket. You keep repeating the same idiotic points, over and over. You're wrong. You cannot truly compare Rocket or Gadgets to Stratos, as they do not search like he does. You can choose Armadillo, who is very similar, just can't search himself and 3 other supporters. [/quote] Nobody else has tried to explain your logic. Use evidence if you care that much. k k no YES YOU CAN. YOU CAN COMPARE ANYTHING TO ANYTHING. IT'S WHY IT'S CALLED COMPARING. READ THIS: 1. WHEN THIS CARDS IS SUMMONED YOU CAN SEARCH THE DECK FOR CARDS. 2. THE CARD HAS ONE TARGET. 3. THE CARD HAS MULTIPLE TARGETS 4. THE CARD CAN SEARCH ITSELF THE FACTS: Volcanic Rocket obeys rules 1 and 2, but not rule 3 or 4. Armadillo obeys rules 1, 2 and 3, but not 4. Stratos obeys all the rules. HERE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING: You have stated that if a card shares a characteristic (like discarding, which you say is "different from searching on summon as it's a game mechanic") then it's comparable. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. I'm not going to be fatuous and say "they're both monsters, they're comparable" even though that's also true. USING THE FACTS we find that since all the cards obey rule 1, they are comparable. The question that you quoted asked for this to be the point of comparison in any examples that you found, so you found a card that searched on summon. However, you also decided that that's not true, since "Volcanic Rocket isn't comparable". You also state that your suggestion of Armadillo was to answer why Stratos was limited. "This is cards that are like Stratos. He was searching for why Stratos was limited- It can search itself. He asked what other searchers were, so I [b]showed him a fairly common searcher that cannot search itself[/b], and, thus, is unlimited, among other reasons." So not obeying rule 4 is a criterion for being a valid comparison? Wait, no it isn't, as Rocket can't be compared to Stratos. If it shares these traits with Stratos, yet it's not comparable with it, then the traits aren't sensibly comparable. How silly of me. YOUR LOGIC: "You cannot truly compare Rocket or Gadgets to Stratos, as they do not search like he does." Your logic states that as Rocket doesn't obey rule 3, he isn't comparable. "You can choose Armadillo, who is very similar, just can't search himself and 3 other supporters." Your logic states that Armadillo, since he obeys rules 1, 3 and not 4, is comparable. TO SUMMARISE, YOU ONLY BELIEVE THAT: CARDS CANNOT BE COMPARED TO STRATOS UNLESS THEY SEARCH A VARIETY OF TARGETS. and logically; CARDS CAN BE COMPARED TO STRATOS IF THEY SEARCH A VARIETY OF TARGETS. You haven't said anything about cards being comparable in other respects, so it follows that rules 1 and 4 are irrelevant. If the cards that share these traits with Stratos can't be compared to him, then they're obviously not very important. Therefore, Stratos is comparable to: [img] http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/0/00/ReinforcementoftheArmyGLD1-EN-GUR-LE.png[/img] and not to: [img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/f/f7/VolcanicRocketGLD2-EN-GUR-LE.jpg[/img] [size="7"][b]JUST IN CASE YOU SKIPPED TO ALL THE PRETTY IMAGES, HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT SOME PEOPLE CALL SIMPLE LOGIC APPLIED TO CARDS[/b][/size] My logic states that: [b][size="7"]ALL CARDS ARE COMPARABLE WITH OTHER CARDS. THAT'S HOW AND WHY WE DISCUSS THEM IN YCM.[/size][/b] and [size="7"][b]IF A CARD IS SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSED IN REFERENCE TO ONLY 1 SIMILAIRTY, THEN THAT 1 SIMILAIRTY SHOULD BE THE THE ONLY POINT OF COMPARISON.[/b][/size] and [size="7"][b]SOME CARDS CAN BE [i]MORE[/i] COMPARABLE THAN OTHERS. HOWEVER, NO CARDS ARE UNCOMPARABLE.[/b][/size] I AM CAPTAIN OBVIOUS. THIS IS SO SIMPLE IT IS MAKING MY HEAD ASPLODE. BOOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Wow. It is sad that I have more of a life than you, considering I don't have the time to do that. I'm done. I don't feel like arguing with an idiot.' By the by, I was saying Rocket and Stratos aren't similar enough to truly compare. Their only similarities are beign LEvel 4 Searchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 ^ [img]http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b411/babooomba/Reactions/th_tldr3.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1306879468' post='5245112'] ^ [img]http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b411/babooomba/Reactions/th_tldr3.gif[/img] [/quote] You're right, I didn't. I've no desire to read what took him [b]2 HOURS[/b] to write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Void Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 ITT: Caps lock all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Bunny Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Stratos is broke. Uncomparable to Gadgets, Gearframe, Tour Guide, Volcanic Rocket (lolwut), Gem Armadillo, etc. COOL HERO STUFF GAIZ. and no I refuse the bolded caps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 So I was SnoooPING AS usual around the duel Masters wiki, and I came across this: [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091201064733/duelmasters/images/b/b2/FactoryShellQ.jpg[/img] Its Stratos.... Except turns all your other Survivors into a Stratos aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcher boyz Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306879408' post='5245108'] Wow. It is sad that I have more of a life than you, considering I don't have the time to do that. [/quote] I really didn't do just that in 2hrs. You must just suck. [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306879408' post='5245108'] I'm done. I don't feel like arguing with an idiot.'[/quote] .............. [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306879408' post='5245108'] By the by, I was saying Rocket and Stratos aren't similar enough to truly compare. [/quote] wtf does "truly" mean in this context [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306879408' post='5245108'] Their only similarities are beign LEvel 4 Searchers.[/quote] So if someone asks for examples of a level 4 searcher that searches for a card when it's summoned, regardless of in which topic this request is posted, rocket and stratos are both valid choices. I'm glad we agree. [quote name='.Alice' timestamp='1306880397' post='5245139'] Stratos is broke. Uncomparable to Gadgets, Gearframe, Tour Guide, Volcanic Rocket (lolwut), Gem Armadillo, etc. COOL HERO STUFF GAIZ. and no I refuse the bolded caps [/quote] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/compare I have no idea what you think "uncomparable" means, or if you're just being hyperbolic and dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I'm pretty sure Black is an idiot, from reading this anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcher boyz Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I'm not willing to accept that people who don't understand what "compare" means exist. Even on YCM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaouJudai Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I agree with Pika. He's stuck at 1 but I certainly would love 2 of him. He's the lynch pin for any hero deck. The E Hero Flow charts goes like this: 1. Do you have Stratos in hand? NO? Get Stratos 2. Summon Stratos. Get Prisma. Or Ocean, Captain Gold, Neos Alius, or Evil Hero Malicious Edge. Being able to search a level 7 fiend is very nice sometimes. He's at 1 for a couple of reasons. He can search himself - he's a swiss army knife of effects and he was a major player in tele-dad with D Hero Malicious. BUT - Malicious is a mute point lately at 2 and the fact Reborn Tengu makes Malicious look stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Another example of a broken theme-specific card that won't be banned because the theme that uses it sucks. Its tutoring job is covered by E - Emergency Call and Reinforcement of the Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1306909167' post='5245897'] So I was SnoooPING AS usual around the duel Masters wiki, and I came across this: [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091201064733/duelmasters/images/b/b2/FactoryShellQ.jpg[/img] Its Stratos.... Except turns all your other Survivors into a Stratos aswell. [/quote] Q_Q It's not as broken as this, Though: [center][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091127072106/duelmasters/images/8/8c/InvincibleTechnology.jpg[/img][/center] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090129135641/duelmasters/images/d/de/IllusionaryMerfolk.jpg[/img] LOL WALKING GRACEFUL CHARITY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcher boyz Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 [quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1306932983' post='5246314'] Another example of a broken theme-specific card that won't be banned because the theme that uses it sucks. Its tutoring job is covered by E - Emergency Call and Reinforcement of the Army. [/quote] idgi [quote name='Invalid Arguement' timestamp='1306933602' post='5246329'] Q_Q It's not as broken as this, Though: [center][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091127072106/duelmasters/images/8/8c/InvincibleTechnology.jpg[/img][/center] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090129135641/duelmasters/images/d/de/IllusionaryMerfolk.jpg[/img] LOL WALKING GRACEFUL CHARITY [/quote] BECAUSE GRACEFUL CHARITY IS A +3 I KNO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giga Hand Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 ITT: Duel Masters is relevant. And cards that cost 13 mana are broken. I thought we were here to talk about the [IMG]http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll143/GigaHand/294px-HEROFlashDR04-EN-C-UE.png[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 [quote name='Loki el Señor de los Aesir' timestamp='1306917384' post='5246026'] I'm pretty sure Black is an idiot, from reading this anyway. [/quote] I said Rocket/Gadgets are not as comparable to Stratos as Armadillo is, and that Armadillo is not obscure. How is that idiotic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcher boyz Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306953477' post='5246708'] I said Rocket/Gadgets are [b]not as comparable[/b] to Stratos as Armadillo is, and that Armadillo is not obscure. How is that idiotic? [/quote] wat [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306866939' post='5244579'] You [b]can't compare[/b] Volcanic Rocket or a Gadget to Stratos, or even Gem-Armadillo. They search for specifics, and are a whole different level than Stratos or Even Armadillo is.[/quote] [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306869201' post='5244688']You [b]cannot compare[/b] Rocket or Gadgets to them. They are completely different. [/quote] [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306872036' post='5244830'] You [b]cannot truly compare[/b] Rocket or Gadgets to Stratos, as they do not search like he does. You can choose Armadillo, who is very similar, just can't search himself and 3 other supporters. [/quote] just wat [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306879408' post='5245108'] By the by, [b]I was saying Rocket and Stratos aren't similar enough to truly compare[/b]. Their only similarities are beign LEvel 4 Searchers. [/quote] NO YOU WEREN'T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 That was ny point the whole time =\ Cannot TRULY compare them, because, while both are searchers, they search differently. I kept saying they search one target, whereas Statos/Armadillo/Archfiend search multiple. Technically, you can compare any two cards, but you can't compare dissimilar cards, to the fullest extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 [quote name='Giga Hand' timestamp='1306943461' post='5246481'] ITT: Duel Masters is relevant. And cards that cost 13 mana are broken. [/quote] 13 mana is quite a lot, yo. Plus, Survivors in general aren't really low-costing either. ........Also, I only really mentioned that one card because it basically is another Stratos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Stop talking before you make yourself look anymore stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcher boyz Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306954949' post='5246781'] That was ny point the whole time =\[/quote] THEN YOU'RE THE WORST COMMUNICATOR EVER. [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306954949' post='5246781'] That was ny point the whole time =\ Cannot TRULY compare them, because, while both are searchers, they search differently.[/quote] So when you say you "Cannot TRULY compare them", it means you can compare them? So you were agreeing with me all along? So wtf was: [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306866939' post='5244579'] You [b]can't compare[/b] Volcanic Rocket or a Gadget to Stratos, or even Gem-Armadillo.[/quote] [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306869201' post='5244688']You [b]cannot compare[/b] Rocket or Gadgets to them. They are completely different. [/quote] [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306954949' post='5246781'] I kept saying they search one target, whereas Statos/Armadillo/Archfiend search multiple.[/quote] yes [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306954949' post='5246781'] Technically, you can compare any two cards, [/quote] yes [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1306954949' post='5246781'] but you can't compare dissimilar cards, to the fullest extent. [/quote] I know, you totally said that. Wait, no, I think I said that. [quote name='marcher boyz' timestamp='1306878973' post='5245093'][size="7"][b]SOME CARDS CAN BE [i]MORE[/i] COMPARABLE THAN OTHERS. HOWEVER, NO CARDS ARE UNCOMPARABLE.[/b][/size][/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I've been saying that from the beginning. Stratos is more similar to Gem-Armadillo (Though he is in his own league) than a Gadget or Rocket. Technically, anything can be compared, but you cannot FULLY compare Rocket to Stratos. Or even as fully as Stratos to Armadillo. And I did not read your long post, I told you =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 ITT: Argue about things that don't matter in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1306956009' post='5246855'] 13 mana is quite a lot, yo. Plus, Survivors in general aren't really low-costing either. [/quote] Yes, but once you get that, you can add pretty much your entire deck to your hand. And troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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