Elemental HERO Stratos

[Blake]

[quote name='marcher boyz' timestamp='1306830978' post='5243792']
I just said it was obscure. He was saying that Volcanic Rocket wasn't relevant because it only searched 1 target, where the point of comparison was a monster searching a monster when he's summoned. AND HE NEGGED ME.
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Gem Armadillo IS NOT OBSCURE. Just because you don't know him means NOTHING.

I negged you for being a general idiot, and saying I was being "nice and irrelevant" When I was completely on topic.

And, clearly, something that searches one Spell is the same as something that searches a WHOLE ARCHETYPE.

[marcher boyz]

I WILL EXPLAIN THIS ONE MORE TIME.

THE POINT OF COMPARISON IS A MONSTER THAT SEARCHES FOR A CARD ON SUMMON:

[quote name='Giga Hand' timestamp='1306693781' post='5240045']
Is it that the trigger for the searching is on summon (can't think of any other searchers that do that)?[/quote]

NOT A CARD THAT SEARCHES FOR MULTIPLE TARGETS. THAT IS IRRELEVANT. THEREFORE VOLCANIC ROCKET AND GADGETS ARE VALID CHOICES.

[quote name='Zetsubou Black' timestamp='1306695460' post='5240111']Volcanic Rocket searches 1 card, so, again, that is senseless.[/quote]

[quote name='Zetsubou Black' timestamp='1306695073' post='5240090']
And Gadgets search 1 specific Gadget, not a whole Archetype.[/quote]

The entire point of choosing a card was for this comparison. It doesn't matter if its targets are similar to Stratos, that's not what was being compared. Even then, Stratos searching itself is the most important factor in why it's at one, not because it can search mali/ alius/ w/e.

[Blake]

You really don't get it, do you?

You can't compare Volcanic Rocket or a Gadget to Stratos, or even Gem-Armadillo. They search for specifics, and are a whole different level than Stratos or Even Armadillo is.

Stratos can search itself, unlike Armadillo, though.

Armadillo is not obscure, and is similar to Stratos, it just cannot search itself, thus making it inferior.

If you compare Stratos to Volcanic Rocket, let us compare Odin to Raviel.

[Mugendramon]

Ulquiorra is so ashamed of you he can't even land the facepalm.

Also, even if it's in Special Summons.


[img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090617021611/yugioh/images/thumb/4/43/InfernityArchfiendWC09-EN-UR-UE.png/300px-InfernityArchfiendWC09-EN-UR-UE.png[/img]

[marcher boyz]

[quote name='Zetsubou Black' timestamp='1306866939' post='5244579']
You really don't get it, do you?

You can't compare Volcanic Rocket or a Gadget to Stratos, or even Gem-Armadillo. They search for specifics, and are a whole different level than Stratos or Even Armadillo is.

Stratos can search itself, unlike Armadillo, though.

Armadillo is not obscure, and is similar to Stratos, it just cannot search itself, thus making it inferior.

If you compare Stratos to Volcanic Rocket, let us compare Odin to Raviel.
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YOU REPLIED TO THIS:

[quote name='Giga Hand' timestamp='1306693781' post='5240045']
Is it that the trigger for the searching is on summon (can't think of any other searchers that do that)?[/quote]

WITH A PIC OF GEM ARMADILLO. I said it was obscure because it's OCG, and not something obvious like Trish used to be. AT THAT POINT YOU WERE REPLYING TO A QUERY ABOUT CARDS THAT SEARCH WHEN THEY ARE SUMMONED. NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT MULTIPLE TARGETS BEING A CONDITION. I AM NOT SAYING THAT ARMADILLO IS AN INVALID CHOICE. MY SUGGESTION OF VOLCANIC ROCKET OR A GADGET IS A VALID RESPONSE TO THIS SPECIFIC QUERY ABOUT CARDS THAT SEARCH ON SUMMON. ALL OF MY POSTS HAVE BEEN QUITE CLEARLY REFERRING TO THIS SPECIFIC QUERY, AND NOT TO STRATOS IN GENERAL. YOU TROLL.

[quote name='BlindMonkey' timestamp='1306867838' post='5244611']
Ulquiorra is so ashamed of you he can't even land the facepalm.

Also, even if it's in Special Summons.


[img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090617021611/yugioh/images/thumb/4/43/InfernityArchfiendWC09-EN-UR-UE.png/300px-InfernityArchfiendWC09-EN-UR-UE.png[/img]
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I know, black sucks.

Oh no black, Archfiend doesn't search when it's Normal Summoned so it's not comparable.

[Expelsword]

Dude, stop digging youself deeper.

Machina Gearframe is basically this card, if you want a "true" comparison.
Both are amazing.

[Blake]

Monkey's insulting you =/ Monkey's one of my best friends.

Also, I CAN ALL CAPS, TOO. DO I WIN NOW?

You're wrong. You CANNOT copare Stratos or Armadillo.

I showed Gem-Armadillo because it is fairly similar to Stratos.

You can't really use Gadgets or Rocket, because, although he said search, he meant something similar to Stratos.

[marcher boyz]

[quote name='Zetsubou Black' timestamp='1306868788' post='5244672']
You can't really use Gadgets or Rocket, because, although he said search, he meant something similar to Stratos.
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How do you know this?

[quote name='Expelsword' timestamp='1306868753' post='5244671']
Dude, stop digging youself deeper.

Machina Gearframe is basically this card, if you want a "true" comparison.
Both are amazing.
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No it isn't. Gearframe can't search itself, which is the thing that defines this card, and Stratos also searches when you Reborn it. They're not basically the same.

[quote name='Zetsubou Black' timestamp='1306868788' post='5244672']
You're wrong. You CANNOT copare Stratos or Armadillo.[/quote]

wat is this supposed to mean

[Blake]

.....

The topic is about Stratos

His question was in regards to its limit

Generally, he would be speaking of Stratos.

[quote name='marcher boyz' timestamp='1306869080' post='5244679']
wat is this supposed to mean
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You cannot compare Rocket or Gadgets to them. They are completely different.

[Mugendramon]

Again, in Armadillo vs Stratos, Infernity Archfiend wins.

Stop fighting both of you.

[~British Soul~]

[b]@Marcher boyz:[/b] Listen you asked for a card that searches on summon and you were given a card, that you haven't even heard of that still searches on summon, you might think it's obscure, but it proves you don't look at Duel Terminal Stuff.

to add, although Gem-Armadillo can't search itself, the same with Gearframe that has the same ATK and seaches their boss monster at least they are valid choices - "cards that search on summon"
[color="#FFFFFF"]also i know you're gonna quote this and explain that i'm wrong[/color]

[marcher boyz]

[quote name='Zetsubou Black' timestamp='1306869082' post='5244688']
.....

The topic is about Stratos

His question was in regards to its limit

Generally, he would be speaking of Stratos.
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......

yes

So you think a variety of targets is what makes Stratos Limited.

He was asking for examples of cards that searched for other cards when they're summoned. If he wanted a card that searched for cards from a long list, he would have said. You're putting words into the guy's mouth.

WAIT I'VE GOT THIS FACE LOGIC:

1. If a guy asked for some cards that discarded cards from hand in a topic about Snipe Hunter, would you say that Raigeki Break wouldn't be a good suggestion as it's a Trap while Snipe Hunter's a monster? Your logic says yes.

2. If a guy asked for a DARK monster in a topic about Snipe Hunter, would you say that Mystic Tomato wasn't a good suggestion as it's a Plant while Snipe Hunter's a Fiend? Your logic says yes.

[.Rai]

No other card can search itself upon Normal and Special Summon except Stratos. Which is why it's Limited, along with its 1800 ATK and S&T destruction.

End of argument.

[marcher boyz]

[quote name='~Burning Soul~' timestamp='1306869381' post='5244701']
[b]@Marcher boyz:[/b] Listen you asked for a card that searches on summon and you were given a card, that you haven't even heard of that still searches on summon, you might think it's obscure, but it proves you don't look at Duel Terminal Stuff.

to add, although Gem-Armadillo can't search itself, the same with Gearframe that has the same ATK and seaches their boss monster at least they are valid choices - "cards that search on summon"
[color="#FFFFFF"]also i know you're gonna quote this and explain that i'm wrong[/color]
[/quote]

I didn't ask the question.

Yes, I am a normal player of the TCG who doesn't look at a lot of OCG cards, why do you ask?

yus

"explain why" not "explain that"

[quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1306869602' post='5244716']
No other card can search itself upon Normal and Special Summon except Stratos. Which is why it's Limited, along with its 1800 ATK and S&T destruction.

End of argument.
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That's not the argument, and I already explained that ages ago.

[quote name='BlindMonkey' timestamp='1306869251' post='5244695']
Again, in Armadillo vs Stratos, Infernity Archfiend wins.

Stop fighting both of you.
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No because I hear 6sams raep Infernities and Hero Beat is still Tier 1.5.

[Blake]

[quote name='marcher boyz' timestamp='1306869505' post='5244708']
......

yes

So you think a variety of targets is what makes Stratos Limited.

[b]No, I dont. I'm saying he CAN search a variety, unlike Rockets or Gadgeys.[/b]

He was asking for examples of cards that searched for other cards when they're summoned. If he wanted a card that searched for cards from a long list, he would have said. You're putting words into the guy's mouth.

[b]No, see, I'm using logic. In a thread about STRATOS, he asked for cards that search on summon. He oviously meant similar cards, it is automatically implied.[/b]

WAIT I'VE GOT THIS FACE LOGIC:

1. If a guy asked for some cards that discarded cards from hand in a topic about Snipe Hunter, would you say that Raigeki Break wouldn't be a good suggestion as it's a Trap while Snipe Hunter's a monster? Your logic says yes.

[b]Stop putting words in my mouth. There is a difference between GADGETS and STRATOS.[/b]

2. If a guy asked for a DARK monster in a topic about Snipe Hunter, would you say that Mystic Tomato wasn't a good suggestion as it's a Plant while Snipe Hunter's a Fiend? Your logic says yes.

[b]... What? That's the worst thing you've said all thread. You accuse me of putting words, but then do it yourself.[/b]
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This isn't about Generics like DARK monsters. This isn't about general things like discarding. This is cards that are like Stratos. He was searching for why Stratos was limited- It can search itself. He asked what other searchers were, so I showed him a fairly common searcher that cannot search itself, and, thus, is unlimited, amongo ther reasons.

[Mugendramon]

[quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1306869602' post='5244716']
No other card can search itself upon[b] Normal and[/b] Special Summon except Stratos. Which is why it's Limited, along with its 1800 ATK and S&T destruction.

End of argument.
[/quote]

I was about to post like 5 pictures of Archfiend and spam like mad, then read over and found that. =P

[~British Soul~]

[quote name='marcher boyz' timestamp='1306869697' post='5244718']
Yes, I am a normal player of the TCG who doesn't look at a lot of OCG cards, why do you ask?
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because viewing OCG cards gives players a chance to see what they're gonna get in the future, Gem-Knights are a Duel Terminal Archetype that would be released when Hidden Arsenal 5 comes out (a set which has OCG Duel Terminal stuff)

also i think i have some reasons why this would be limited
1. Airblade format was great when this was @3
2. it can search itself
3. he gets the effect if he is NS or SS

[marcher boyz]

[quote name='BlindMonkey' timestamp='1306869813' post='5244726']
I was about to post like 5 pictures of Archfiend and spam like mad, then read over and found that. =P
[/quote]

[quote name='~Burning Soul~' timestamp='1306869889' post='5244731']
because viewing OCG cards gives players a chance to see what they're gonna get in the future, Gem-Knights are a Duel Terminal Archetype that would be released when Hidden Arsenal 5 comes out (a set which has OCG Duel Terminal stuff)

also i think i have some reasons why this would be limited
1. Airblade format was great when this was @3
2. it can search itself
3. he gets the effect if he is NS or SS
[/quote]

IT'S STILL NOT WHAT MOST PLAYERS DO. SOZ FOR THE CAPS.

ffs read my stuff

[quote name='marcher boyz' timestamp='1306869080' post='5244679']
No it isn't. Gearframe can't search itself, which is the thing that defines this card, and Stratos also searches when you Reborn it. They're not basically the same.[/quote]

ffs

[~British Soul~]

[quote name='marcher boyz' timestamp='1306869899' post='5244732']
IT'S STILL NOT WHAT MOST PLAYERS DO. SOZ FOR THE CAPS.
[/quote]
i bet i can find 50-100 players (both online and irl) who looks at OCG stuff

[Catterjune]

[quote name='~Burning Soul~' timestamp='1306870440' post='5244758']
i bet i can find 50-100 players (both online and irl) who looks at OCG stuff
[/quote]
I bet 50-100 players wouldn't even count as "most players" for Duel Masters, let alone Yu-Gi-Oh.

On-topic: What's all this other semantics anyway? Something about cards that are like Stratos? Cards that net you a free +1 on summoning? Breaker, Gadgets, Volcanic Rocket, and that 1800 attack Machina guy. etc etc. The thing Stratos has over them is much more versatility (can search for way more cards or blow up S/Ts) and much more decent support (Emergency Call and RoTA).

[marcher boyz]

wow it's really easy to compose a response when I can't quote you thanks

"No, I dont. I'm saying he CAN search a variety, unlike Rockets or Gadgeys."

So him not searching isn't as important as him being a floater? Good, that means that we both agree that Rockets and Gadgets are still valid responses.

"No, see, I'm using logic."

No.

"In a thread about STRATOS, he asked for cards that search on summon."

Yes he did.

"He oviously meant similar cards, it is automatically implied."

Yes, he did mean cards similar in the one respect that he asked for.

"Stop putting words in my mouth. There is a difference between GADGETS and STRATOS."

So you accept that they have a smiliarity as you say there is only "a difference". If there is only "a difference", they cannot be completely different. DO YOU UNDERSTAND. Even if there are differences, they are still similar in the one respect that they search for a card when they're summoned, they're monsters, etc.

"... What? That's the worst thing you've said all thread. You accuse me of putting words, but then do it yourself."

oh wow you managed to skimread and pick out a phrase that i used while ignoring the fact that the exact logic you use looks dumb

"This isn't about Generics like DARK monsters. This isn't about general things like discarding."

Yes it is. Comparisons are all about minor/ major similarities and differences.

"This is cards that are like Stratos."

Yes, like Volcanic Rocket and Gadgets, I know.

"He was searching for why Stratos was limited- It can search itself."

Yes, I did say that.

"He asked what other searchers were, so I showed him a fairly common searcher that cannot search itself,"

It's obscure, but w/e that doesn't matter.

"and, thus, is unlimited, amongo ther reasons."

Yes, just like Gadgets and Volcanic Rocket, searchers that can't search for themselves. I'm glad we agree. I'm also glad that you explained why Stratos was unlimited in your post containing Armadillo, instead of just posting a pic. OWAIT.

[quote name='Zetsubou Black' timestamp='1306693936' post='5240050']
[img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/c/c0/GemArmadilloDT09-JP-DRPR-DT.jpg[/img]
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I'd like to stress that i never said Armadillo was a wrong choice, just that it wasn't the most obvious choice and that other options, like gadgets and rocket, are equally valid choices as they LITERALLY search for a card upon their Summon WHICH IS WHAT THE GUY LITERALLY ASKED FOR.

LITERALLY.






This wasn't worth it.

[Aesirson]

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[marcher boyz]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1306871435' post='5244802']
I bet 50-100 players wouldn't even count as "most players" for Duel Masters, let alone Yu-Gi-Oh.

On-topic: What's all this other semantics anyway? Something about cards that are like Stratos? Cards that net you a free +1 on summoning? Breaker, Gadgets, Volcanic Rocket, and that 1800 attack Machina guy. etc etc. The thing Stratos has over them is much more versatility (can search for way more cards or blow up S/Ts) and much more decent support (Emergency Call and RoTA).
[/quote]

It's about cards that search for cards from the deck when summoned, so Breaker isn't actually ok in that respect.

Hero Beat sometimes uses the S/T destruction thing with Shining combos, but the reason Stratos is limited is really ONLY because he searches himself and not because he qualifies for all the e-calls and rotas and other cool hero support.

[~British Soul~]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1306871435' post='5244802']
I bet 50-100 players wouldn't even count as "most players" for Duel Masters, let alone Yu-Gi-Oh.
[/quote]
i know, but i was using 50-100 as an example, when i and many others know the number would be much, much higher

[Blake]

[quote name='marcher boyz' timestamp='1306871576' post='5244809']
*Insert rant that wasted too much time of your short life*
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You really are not getting it at all. I mean, I've explained it, others have explained it, and you just don't get it.

Sorry, I don't have the time to waste on you to answer every single little thing, but let me say this.

I said Armadillo CAN search a Variety, and that makes him more like Stratos, and different from Gadgets or Rocket.

You keep repeating the same idiotic points, over and over. You're wrong.

You cannot truly compare Rocket or Gadgets to Stratos, as they do not search like he does. You can choose Armadillo, who is very similar, just can't search himself and 3 other supporters.