FF Fan Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Lol Nu-Mou. [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1312822127' post='5425067'] Sounding stupid >>>>>> Being confusing. [/quote] Removed from the field isn't confusing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloister Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Nu-Mou Knight' timestamp='1312824196' post='5425139'] Banish, I can understand. Anybody who's played the card game in a reasonable capacity should understand Piercing, though rewording the effects of cards similar to Thousand Needles could present some trouble. The others are just wastes (especially the HEROs thing), and the colon/semi-colon thing is just...unnecessary. Did people seriously contact Konami and say "We can't understand clear sentences"? [/quote] Lol, yes, or Konami can't understand clear sentences. Also, agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='FF Fan' timestamp='1312825192' post='5425163'] Lol Nu-Mou. Removed from the field isn't confusing though. [/quote] There were 3 Rs in the game before the change.[list] [*]Remove from play [*]Removed from the field [*]Remove a Counter [/list] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Some people cannot tell the difference between costs and effects. Colons and Semi-Colons are in there to differentiate. And yes, being able to differentiate between costs and effects is important. Some people don't realize you still have to halve your Life Points even if their Solemn Judgment is negated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu-Mou Knight Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1312838657' post='5425653'] Some people cannot tell the difference between costs and effects. Colons and Semi-Colons are in there to differentiate. And yes, being able to differentiate between costs and effects is important. Some people don't realize you still have to halve your Life Points even if their Solemn Judgment is negated. [/quote] I'm pretty sure that the only people who would actually care about the difference between cost and effect would (or at least should) have studied enough of the game to know the difference. Those who don't can be free to live in ignorance, I don't think anyone else would mind. Therefore, the only foreseeable reason for removing actual, coherent sentences for segments of text is pretty much unfounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 [quote name='Nu-Mou Knight' timestamp='1312853186' post='5426306'] I'm pretty sure that the only people who would actually care about the difference between cost and effect would (or at least should) have studied enough of the game to know the difference. Those who don't can be free to live in ignorance, I don't think anyone else would mind. Therefore, the only foreseeable reason for removing actual, coherent sentences for segments of text is pretty much unfounded. [/quote] I've seen plenty of people who love the game and can't tell when a card can and cannot activate a Dark World monster's effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu-Mou Knight Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1312853445' post='5426313'] I've seen plenty of people who love the game and can't tell when a card can and cannot activate a Dark World monster's effect. [/quote] Those who "love" the game and those who play it seriously are two very different groups. I'm referring to the latter. Those who love the game may very well not be knowledgeable. Those who play it seriously may still love the game, but care more about the finer points. An example of said finer points would be the difference of cost and effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 And what happens when a person who loves the game meets somebody who takes the game seriously meet each other in a duel? All hell breaks loose over rulings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu-Mou Knight Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1312854044' post='5426335'] And what happens when a person who loves the game meets somebody who takes the game seriously meet each other in a duel? All hell breaks loose over rulings. [/quote] First of all, how would they end up dueling? I'd think that "for fun" people would have their own competitions, and "serious" people would have theirs. Anyway, rulings would easily be cleared up by a trip to the wiki, or by simple application of sense. Besides, if the "for fun" player is arguing back, then he has tried to devise his own rulings, thus making him a non-"for fun" player and instead a "serious" player. If he was indeed attempting to play seriously, then hopefully he had at least tried to learn serious playing, which would probably involve the difference of cost and effect at some point (i.e. looking at "tips", "trivia", or "rulings" for his important cards). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Ever gone to a locals tournament? I have, and people there argue over the smallest things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu-Mou Knight Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1312854944' post='5426373'] Ever gone to a locals tournament? I have, and people there argue over the smallest things. [/quote] If that is what you're referring to, then I have no experience with which to argue against it. I'm one of maybe 2 people in my town who still even looks at this game, so I've never been to a local tournament. Not to any physical tournament at all, sad to say. Not to say I haven't played physically with others, just not on a large scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Then you haven't experienced a place where people have to rely on judges, who still get rulings wrong from time to time because they misinterpret what the card says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MibeR Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Yes, so mirror b. i see someone played L Vortex over in DW, so did the DW's effect is still carried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Lightning Vortex is a cost and doesn't activate DWs effects :/ That's the kind of confusion I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kato_Zenamara Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 I read through this topic and all I see is people bitching because they've spent so long learning the old OCG and are comfortable with it. Change happens, get over it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not a good thing; in fact, the text change is a great improvement. The whole point of the change is to reduce the sheer amount of rulings that need to be made when a single card is released. I'll quote the article when I say "Step 1: Get your card. Step 2: Read your card. Step 3: Go to the internet and see how your card really works." You all who are complaining are well-versed in OCG and rulings, but you need to remember that this is first a foremost a kid's game, and not everyone in the world who plays it is as versed in the rulings and grammar as you are. For a lot of people, the difference between "remove from play" and "remove from the field" may seem minimal, or downright nonexistant. Theres just a slight difference, and with the OCG changes that have been made through the game's history, they may think its the same thing. The new card text clears stuff up a lot. And to whoever said that for "remove from play", you know where to put it, but for "banish" you need sherlock holmes to figure it out, I only have this to say to you: You.are.an.idiot. They're the SAME thing. They go to the SAME place. The only difference is the terminology change. Besides, how do you think you learned where "remove from play" was in the first place? How do you think you learned what ANYTHING meant in the first place? You had to read the rules, which new players will do, and they will learn the same thing you do. What I like most about this new change is the Condition;Cost:Effect part. Its amazingly simple and amazingly clear. As I stated before, not everyone is as well-versed in the rules and grammar as all of us on here, so they wouldnt know that "discard 1 card to destroy all face-up monsters your opponent controls" is composed of a cost AND an effect. Its one whole sentence, so for some people it would be hard to break it apart. The new text would go "Discard 1 card: Destroy all face-up monsters your opponent controls." MUCH simpler, don't you think? Stardust's new text will also read "When a monster effect, spell card, trap card, spell/trap effect..." So distinguishing what it can and can't negate has been made easier. Also, one of the most odd rulings in the game (IMO) will be cleared up by this change. I, for one, did not know that you couldn't negate special summons by card effects (such as monster reborn, polymerization, etc) with a card that negates Special Summons, such as Black Horn of Heaven, and I consider myself well-versed in the grammar and rulings. Its a rather confusing concept, and I'm sure most new players and casual players wouldn't have a clue as to the ruling's existence. However, monsters that will be targetable by those effects (save for synchros. xyz, etc), will read something to the extent of (with judgment dragon as an example) "when there are 4 or more lightsworn monsters with different names in your graveyard, you can special summo this card (from your hand)). The negation effects will only be able to be used on those kind of monsters (see the actual article for more info that goes into deeper detail). As well, they will be adding "and cannot be special summon by other ways" to some cards as well, to clear that up as well. So no more trying to use Monster Reborn on a DaD or Judgment Dragon, beacause it says so right on the card. As you can see, in the long run, this card text is going to help a LOT, especially regarding new players and those odd rulings that tend to pop up every now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Holy crap somebody who actually gave an explanation besides "New/Old OCG sucks!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Two things are infinite: the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the former. A tidbit from Einstein from you guys to chew on. It's scary how many people apparently want dozens of cards to say: Add 1 "Elemental Hero", "Destiny Hero", "Evil Hero", "Masked Hero", "Vision Hero", "Advanced Hero", "Anti-Hero", "Herp a Derp Hero", or "This One Will Break The Hero Archetype For Sure Hero" monster from your Deck to your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Milenko Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 [quote name='機皇神龍アステリスク' timestamp='1314246420' post='5467174'] Two things are infinite: the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the former. A tidbit from Einstein from you guys to chew on. It's scary how many people apparently want dozens of cards to say: Add 1 "Elemental Hero", "Destiny Hero", "Evil Hero", "Masked Hero", "Vision Hero", "Advanced Hero", "Anti-Hero", "Herp a Derp Hero", or "This One Will Break The Hero Archetype For Sure Hero" monster from your Deck to your hand. [/quote] OMG!!! When I read that I laughed out loud, but I'm in a library, so I can't do that... Of course, it could also just say "Add 1 "Hero" monster, except "Hero Kid" from your Deck to your hand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 [quote name='Exodia the awsome one 95' timestamp='1314299453' post='5468182'] Of course, it could also just say "Add 1 "Hero" monster, except "Hero Kid" from your Deck to your hand." [/quote] You'd also have to exclude "Hero of the East", "Oscillo Hero", and "Sp[b][i]hero[/i][/b]s Lady" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FF Fan Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Shouldn't the capitalization clear the Spheros thing up and what's the big deal about it including monsters that aren't part of the archetype anyway? The monsters if they have effects wouldn't most likely benefit the theme of the deck anyway. I also highly disagree with the "kids" game thing. For one baby goats don't play card games and with all the business and rulings handling it seems clear they target our people, nerds. [quote]"and cannot be special summon by other ways"[/quote] Is that one of the changes too? "This card can only be Special Summoned by" means the same thing and uses less characters. I don't see the reason for that change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 [quote name='FF Fan' timestamp='1314310170' post='5468597'] Is that one of the changes too? "This card can only be Special Summoned by" means the same thing [/quote] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY "Can only be Special Summoned by" means that the card cannot be Special Summoned from the Graveyard unless it was properly Summoned first. For example: If you mill a Chaos Sorcerer without Summoning it first, you cannot reborn it. If you Summon a Chaos Sorcerer with it's effect and it dies and goes to the Graveyard/RFG zone, you can Special Summon it with cards like Monster Reborn (so long as they are in the proper area.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kato_Zenamara Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Precisely. Likewise, heres the card text for Dark Armed Dragon: "This card cannot be normal summoned or set. This card cannot be special summoned except by having exactly 3 DARK monsters in your graveyard." As we know, DaD can't be special summoned from the grave, even with something like monster reborn, and even if it was properly summoned first. HOwever, with the rule that sas you CAN summon monsters with restrictions if they've been properly summoned first, you can see where some new players or those not as well-versed as us would get confused. The new card text will fix that with the "and cannot be summoned by other ways" clause. It just clears up some mistakes that could be made at first glance. And @ whoever made the dumb remark about the players not being "babies"; are you an idiot? Of COURSE baies aren't going to play this game. Next time you want to argue, bring an argument. We're good into our teen years, and theres about 13 years between "babies" and us. Ever think that there might be somer players in that age range? I don't know about all of you, but I picked Yu-Gi-Oh up around the 3rd grade. If the game had this many rules back then, there would have been no way I would have picked it up. THe game has aged with its players, and I think they're trying to revert it, at least a little, back to where it started. What with these simpler card texts, and the next Duel Terminal is going to be geared towards kids a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gojira/Godzilla Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 this is a little confusing, i grew up using the old terms and all the duels i have taken part in have used the old terms, so it may take a while for me to change the effects on cards i've made and for me to get used to the new terms in a duel, i think that some older duelists may agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I stopped reading through this thread once it turned into a lot of people complaining about term simplification. Honestly, Piercing is something that should've come out ever since it became a popular effect. Banishing is a nice touch, and they should get to calling "send the top "x" cards of your opponent's Deck to the Graveyard" to "mill "x" of your/your opponent's cards" or another single word term. People who don't read through the manual rarely play properly anyways, and clunky OCG only makes things slower for card makers and the large majority that do play properly. Creating single word terms isn't catering to a new crowd, it's Konami doing what should've been done awhile ago. And the term RFP is really stupid now that it's practically a second grave. BUT ANYWAYS I HAVE A QUESTION. I noticed while looking through the newer cards that there seems to be a lot more changed than what's already listed here in regards to everyday wording. Has this been documented anywhere yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 [url="http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?s=problem-solving"]http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?s=problem-solving[/url] That's the search on their blog and should show all 6 parts to the problem solving text that they've posted so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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