Synchronized Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 [center][IMG]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110510185151/yugioh/images/thumb/5/5a/VampireDragonEXVC-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/300px-VampireDragonEXVC-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/IMG] [i]When this Tribute Summoned card is sent from the field to the Graveyard, you can add 1 Level 4 or lower monster from your Deck to your hand.[/i][/center] So I picked up a couple of packs of Extreme Victory the other day, and I pulled a Blue Rose Dragon, which made me wonder what the other Secret Rare cards in the set were. I was looking on Wikia, when I stumbled upon this, and I really don't see what's wrong with it. Yeah, it requires a Tribute, but it's 2400, not to mention if you were to Tribute something like Sangan to Summon it, you could pull off some pretty useful combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Void Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Misses the timing way too much is the problem with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Whats funny, is this card makes as much sense as [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Tongue_Twister]Tongue Twister[/url]. Hell, they even have the exact same requirements. Vampire, much like Tongue, have there own uses. It's just, its hard to make them efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 "you can" killed it. That wouldn't have been so much of a deal if they'd lowered its ATK and made it a LV4, but it's not, so "Tribute Summoned" proceeded to kill it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 I didn't pay attention to the timing aspect. Does that mean if it was destroyed by something like Dark Hole it wouldn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1305576660' post='5213172'] "you can" killed it. That wouldn't have been so much of a deal if they'd lowered its ATK and made it a LV4, but it's not, so "Tribute Summoned" proceeded to kill it further. [/quote] actually the tribute Summoned bit wouldn't be so bad if this card's effect - Wasn't optional - Wasn't outclassed by Goblin Zombie in Zombies Decks. But mainly optional is what kills it...XD @Star: It is backwards...Dark Hole is one of the very few ways to activate this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 0 DEF..... Well, it can be brought back to hand by Recurring Nightmare, it's searchable and it isn't that bad of a card. This card would have been amazing if Konami learned which cards to give mandatory effects to (i.e. Vampire Dragon and not Dandy). All around, it's a decent card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Konami and these "optional" cards. When would I not want to add the monster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 You know it was made on porpuose...>_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Konami's stupidity once again kills what could have been an amazing monster staple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 What cards would it miss the timing with that everyone is talking about? Optional effects miss timing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 [quote name='Darkest Hour' timestamp='1305602487' post='5214058'] What cards would it miss the timing with that everyone is talking about? Optional effects miss timing? [/quote] It misses the timing is you use it for a Synchro Summon, if you tribute it for a Tribute Summon, etc. Anything where this thing leaving the field is not the last thing to happen makes you miss the chance to use it. This only applies to optional effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1305603290' post='5214085'] It misses the timing is you use it for a Synchro Summon, if you tribute it for a Tribute Summon, etc. Anything where this thing leaving the field is not the last thing to happen makes you miss the chance to use it. This only applies to optional effects. [/quote] So in other words, if you use Vampire Dragon and Plaguespreader in a Synchro Summon to get Scrapfiend, you won't be able to get the Level 4, or if you Tribute Vampire Dragon for another Vampire Dragon you won't fetch the Level 4 either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 [quote name='Darkest Hour' timestamp='1305604396' post='5214113'] So in other words, if you use Vampire Dragon and Plaguespreader in a Synchro Summon to get Stardust, you won't be able to get the Level 4, or if you Tribute Vampire Dragon for another Vampire Dragon you won't fetch the Level 4 either? [/quote] Yup. Also, Vampire Dragon is LV5. You'd need another level to go for Stardust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 How in the hell do you get it to be the last thing that happens when sent to the Graveyard? Just have it go to the graveyard while no new cards are added to the field and no other effects activate from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 I thought stuff like "sac this monster for Caius" or something would make it not-work. As for what would make it work, I figure Dark Hole, Sakuretsu, and destroying by battle would work. On-topic: Sangan in most decks and Goblin Zombie in Zombie specific decks do it better. As it needs the tribute summon, Book of Life and Il Blud just summon this as a 2400 vanilla. If you need tribute summons in a Zombie Deck, you're better off using monarchs like Caius or Raiza. If you need a level 6 Zombie Beater, Ryu Kokki does it better. It's mediocre at best, in an era where mediocre is just not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Basically, stuff like: Dark Hole Scrap Dragon Destroyed by battle and stuff like that. It's like how you can't use stuff like Tethys with Upstart Goblin, since your opponent gained 1000 LP between the draw and the activation window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1305603290' post='5214085'] It misses the timing is you use it for a Synchro Summon, if you tribute it for a Tribute Summon, etc. Anything where this thing leaving the field is not the last thing to happen makes you miss the chance to use it. This only applies to optional effects. [/quote] Thank you for explaining this to me. I wondered why 'Poison Draw Frog' was so useless in my deck on Tag Force 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 I feel if it was called "Vamp the Dragon Monarch" it'd see more play. Honestly, just play it like a monarch right? I could see this being fun in Frogs =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Oh, and even more annoying: If the thing that made this get removed from the field is part of a chain, it misses automatically unless said card is Chain Link 1. Yeah, this thing's useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Is this a ruling that Konami/UDE implemented or is this a logical chain resolution argument? "Being optional = no effect" seems very bad for the game if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 [quote name='Darkest Hour' timestamp='1305607312' post='5214170'] Is this a ruling that Konami/UDE implemented or is this a logical chain resolution argument? "Being optional = no effect" seems very bad for the game if you ask me. [/quote] "When this card is summoned, you can win the game" USELESS! OPTIONAL EFFECT! Sad thing is...that's probably true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 [quote name='Ghostmyth' timestamp='1305608272' post='5214182'] "When this card is summoned, you can win the game" USELESS! OPTIONAL EFFECT! Sad thing is...that's probably true [/quote] If Exodia was an optional effect this would be happening all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 [quote name='Darkest Hour' timestamp='1305607312' post='5214170'] Is this a ruling that Konami/UDE implemented or is this a logical chain resolution argument? "Being optional = no effect" seems very bad for the game if you ask me. [/quote] Logical chain resolution argument. We're reminded by rulings on a bunch of these optional cards that say "no". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 [quote name='Darkest Hour' timestamp='1305607312' post='5214170'] Is this a ruling that Konami/UDE implemented or is this a logical chain resolution argument? "Being optional = no effect" seems very bad for the game if you ask me. [/quote] Pretty sure it was caused by the OTK involving Archfiend of Gilfer and Woodland Sprite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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