Lady Gaga - Judas

[Sar19]

Zuh?!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wagn8Wrmzuc[/media]
What do you think? Discuss it here!

[Mehmani]

Pretentious, "weird for the sake of weird" and utterly, utterly banal. There are worse words that come to mind, but this actually makes me angry. I had to force myself to watch the entire video, and I felt quite horrible inside afterwards. Stefani Germanotta no longer makes me angry, she makes me sad. Sad for the enormously talented, infinitely more talented than her musicians out there. Sad for those who are struggling to make a career out of their passion for music. She mocks them. This marks the end of talent in the industry. Lady Gaga was the final nail in the coffin - someone who is less talented than the members of a band in a club, those very band members who get £20 a night and struggle desperately to make an income. She is pretentious, not nearly as talented as your average musician and often copies (wait and see).

I think that paying tribute is fine. Even dressing as a famous musician for portions of a video is fine. Making subtle changes to the set, referencing songs, paying tribute - it's all fine. But to produce a song in the exact style of someone AND dress like them for the whole video AND do this in more than one video is pushing it. Ripping off someone is terrible. Ripping off someone and not mentioning them as an inspiration is worse. Wearing a dress made out of meat JUST to attract attention and DELIBERATELY not saying ANYTHING AT ALL about why you are wearing said dress in not original or interesting (CAPS LOCK FOR LOUD, BOOMING EMPHASIS, NO DOUBT). It's attention-seeking, the same way a child spits on their food or someone shouts out unrelated things during a lesson. She makes a living out of this. It's sad, really. She no longer makes me RAEG, she no longer angers me. She just makes me feel miserable. Thanks for killing music.

[TheGenuine]

I think she is Racist

[Judαs]

[quote name='Mikhail Nekem'evič Tal' timestamp='1304968058' post='5198903']
Pretentious, "weird for the sake of weird" and utterly, utterly banal. There are worse words that come to mind, but this actually makes me angry. I had to force myself to watch the entire video, and I felt quite horrible inside afterwards. Stefani Germanotta no longer makes me angry, she makes me sad. Sad for the enormously talented, infinitely more talented than her musicians out there. [b]Sad for those who are struggling to make a career out of their passion for music. She mocks them. This marks the end of talent in the industry.[/b] Lady Gaga was the final nail in the coffin - someone who is less talented than the members of a band in a club, those very band members who get £20 a night and struggle desperately to make an income. She is pretentious, not nearly as talented as your average musician and often copies (wait and see).
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I think that paying tribute is fine. Even dressing as a famous musician for portions of a video is fine. Making subtle changes to the set, referencing songs, paying tribute - it's all fine. But to produce a song in the exact style of someone AND dress like them for the whole video AND do this in more than one video is pushing it. Ripping off someone is terrible. Ripping off someone and not mentioning them as an inspiration is worse. [/b]Wearing a dress made out of meat JUST to attract attention and DELIBERATELY [b]not saying ANYTHING AT ALL about why you are wearing said dress[/b] in not original or interesting (CAPS LOCK FOR LOUD, BOOMING EMPHASIS, NO DOUBT). It's attention-seeking, the same way a child spits on their food or someone shouts out unrelated things during a lesson. She makes a living out of this. It's sad, really. She no longer makes me RAEG, she no longer angers me. She just makes me feel miserable. Thanks for killing music.
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You, sir, know nothing about Lady GaGa

It's weird, the moment someone becomes successful, people are like 'Oh, they're an overnight success' and 'meh, Big deal, one hit wonder' etc etc. Do you even know how many years it took before she actually became who she was? And seriously? If you don't like the song doesn't mean that the musician is undermining those that aren't famous. And as far as vocal talent is concerned, she's amazing live. If you don't believe, check the 2009 VMAs performance or the 2011 Grammys performance of Born this Way.
If there's some pop star that's really killing music, it must be Britney Spears. GaGa writes all her songs by herself (including her parts in features) and has the balls to sing live instead of lipsyncing xD

And 'not saying anything about why you are wearing said dress'... WUT? How many celebrities discuss their own costumes when they come for an interview or whatever?

[size="1"][b]EDIT:[/b] And still, if it's that bothersome, [url="http://ladygaga.wikia.com/wiki/Meat_Dress"]the meat dress was explained by the designe[/url]r.[/size]

Also if you're finding the Judas video a ripoff, state your sources. If you're talking about Born this Way, stay on topic.

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[Mehmani]

[quote name='Ｊｕｄａｓ' timestamp='1305041022' post='5200887']
You, sir, know nothing about Lady GaGa

It's weird, the moment someone becomes successful, people are like 'Oh, they're an overnight success' and 'meh, Big deal, one hit wonder' etc etc. Do you even know how many years it took before she actually became who she was? And seriously? [b]She was a middle class New York kid. She was rich enough to go to prestigious schools. She is a reasonably talented pianist. She is anything but a "freak", an "outcast".[/b] If you don't like the song doesn't mean that the musician is undermining those that aren't famous. And as far as vocal talent is concerned, she's amazing live. If you don't believe, check the 2009 VMAs performance or the 2011 Grammys performance of Born this Way. [b]So are club singers, musicians who perform all of their music live. She is no more talented than the singing teachers at my school. She is more famous than Cole Porter, Placido Domingo and Miles Davis. Everyone knows who she is. She is famous for a trite and ridiculously reason. Being famous for something stupid is undermining those who are good at what they do.[/b]
If there's some pop star that's really killing music, it must be Britney Spears. GaGa writes all her songs by herself (including her parts in features) and has the balls to sing live instead of lipsyncing xD [b]No she doesn't. Do you honestly believe she doesn't mime at any of her concerts? That's just fan bias. I thought she was pretentious, but I saw she was talented and respected that until Bad Romance and Born This Way. Also, as someone who is doing GCSE Music (and is about to do Grade 5 Jazz Piano, the last Jazz Piano exam) I can testify that her music is terribly written and has awful lyrics. Bad Romance was unbelievably simple, it was written in C Major and had no originality whatsoever. I have friends doing GCSE Music that have written symphonies.[/b]

And 'not saying anything about why you are wearing said dress'... WUT? How many celebrities discuss their own costumes when they come for an interview or whatever? [b]That's because they are wearing normal dresses, not ones made of crystallised orphan tears or whatever she's wearing this week. Are so blind that you can't she how attention-seeking she is? Dressing up as a Christmas Tree when everyone else is wearing a normal dress is now "original" and "artsy"? It's pretentious and attention-seeking.[/b]

[size="1"][b]EDIT:[/b] And still, if it's that bothersome, [url="http://ladygaga.wikia.com/wiki/Meat_Dress"]the meat dress was explained by the designe[/url]r.[/size][b]Note: she said "it is to show that we should not be treated like pieces of meat". That not only vacuous and stale, but it is a terrible excuse and sounds like it was written for her. And newsflash: we are pieces of meat. We are living pieces of meat.[/b]

Also if you're finding the Judas video a ripoff, state your sources. If you're talking about Born this Way, stay on topic. [b]My rant was about her, in case you had not twigged yet.[/b]

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[Judαs]

I'm sorry for the big outburst actually, ok I'm a fan and all. I'll have to agree with some of your stuff but I still stand by the rest of what I said. [IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/1z6wb6.jpg[/IMG]

By the way, the 'freak' and 'outcast' image is what she wants to portray actually, she never did seem to fit into the rest of the crowd right from high school, and that's why the message of Born this Way is to be yourself, because you were born that way. xD And I asked if you knew how many years it took her to get where she was, it did take her long, she was kicked out of her home, spent ages trying to find a label. Def Jam even signed her but dropped her within three weeks. So it's not like she never worked hard for what she had, and face it, even if you find her outrageous, her considerably large fanbase does dig it

It's just that many of us feel we can identify with her, and of course, her support for every kind of social community. Heck she named an entire album for that purpose.

[IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/2chuc10.jpg[/IMG]

[ironmanben]

The Judas video started out good, but didn't really seem to go anywhere. I like the song, it's actually pretty good. But then again I don't pay any attention to the lyrics to anything. The thing that annoys me is the people who say God made her fall off her piano that time as a strike against the satanic content of her music. Seriously, people. She tripped. And fell. God had nothing to do with it.

[evilhorus]

Song is awesome, Video is meh. :/

[Mehmani]

[quote name='Ｊｕｄａｓ' timestamp='1305113277' post='5202670']
I'm sorry for the big outburst actually, ok I'm a fan and all. I'll have to agree with some of your stuff but I still stand by the rest of what I said. [IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/1z6wb6.jpg[/IMG]

By the way, the 'freak' and 'outcast' image is what she wants to portray actually, she never did seem to fit into the rest of the crowd right from high school, and that's why the message of Born this Way is to be yourself, because you were born that way. [b]She isn't a "freak" or an "outcast" though, not at all. She is a normal Middle Class New York kid.[/b] xD And I asked if you knew how many years it took her to get where she was, it did take her long, she was kicked out of her home, spent ages trying to find a label. [b]So do all the other unemployed musicians out there, the vast majority of them more talented as writers and singers than her. What are the first lyrics of this song? "Oh-oh-oh-oh. Judas. Judas. Judas. Jud-a-as. Jud-a-as. Gaa-gaa." Those aren't lyrics. My one year old brother makes those noises.[/b] Def Jam even signed her but dropped her within three weeks. So it's not like she never worked hard for what she had, and face it, even if you find her outrageous, her considerably large fanbase does dig it [b]Hitler had a considerably large fanbase too and they definitely "digged" him. [/b]

It's just that many of us feel we can identify with her, and of course, her support for every kind of social community. Heck she named an entire album for that purpose. [b]Just because a person does good things doesn't make them a good person.[/b]
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[.Rai]

I'm glad she attempted a new style (well, not really but it's darker than most of her music) but she is definitely getting worse every time.

Judas is far too similar to Bad Romance. After transposing them to the same key, you notice that they follow a near identical structure. And the lyrics are really quite terrible.

I'm going to agree with the critics and say she's ripped off her own song. It is a nice song to listen to though.

[Judαs]

Ugh at you. Let's wait for your little brother to become a pop star

[Fader]

I hate this song, it's catchy, but I HATE it.
But it's rythm gets stuck in my head and I always end up singing it in the shower by accident or something.

Just my opinion...

[.Rai]

The problem is that they the two songs are identical. Bad Romance and Judas follow the exact same structure. It's definitely catchy but too similar to most other pop. If she had tried something new, I'd probably like it a little better anyway.

Trust me, from a music student's view, this is just too...normal (yes, I really did say that about GaGa).

[evilhorus]

tbh, I don't care that they sound alike. I've listened to them both so much that i know every detail, and I've come to learn their differences.

It's one song, Glory and Hair are amazing.

[Sprite3G]

I hate that song! It may be catchy but the LSS is killing me.


Heck, what did the biker scene in Judas have to do with the song and the music video in total? =)))

[Tentacruel]

She can barely sing, the song has no real creative substance to it, and I hate it with a passion.

[Kelp']

She's actually an amazing singer from my standpoint.

Love this song. <333

[evilhorus]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1306373649' post='5232239']
She can barely sing, the song has no real creative substance to it, and I hate it with a passion.
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nuuuu

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHrMflS493I&feature=related[/media]

There was a better quality version of this, but I can't find it.

OT: For some reason, I love this video now. Not sure why, tbh.

[Mehmani]

Lady GaGa can sing, she can play the piano reasonably well and she can write music, but she never shows that in her mainstream release songs. They are auto-tuned, pretty much instrument-free and co-written by a team of professional writers. She is bulimic and dangerously skinny (and doesn't seem to want to change that) and she prances around wearing next to nothing in her videos, her voice a bland mechanical drone. She is the antithesis of music - music is about the pure sound. Her videos are ridiculously over-the-top for no reason other than childish attention seeking and her massive fashion designing squadron design all her clothes, which are also for attention seeking or provoking people (or entire groups of people). When she does write she writes unoriginal, badly written songs (Bad Romance - I have the sheet music, I am a pianist and I can tell you that GCSE Music students write far better stuff than that) or she blatantly copies another musician to a ridiculous extent (can you really, honestly say that Born This Way is an original song? It isn't inspired by Madonna - it is Madonna, it copies Madonna's vocal mannerisms, her lyrical quirks, even the melody and chords are identical to what Madonna used. That's pushing it, any other musician would be ostracised for making such a blatant copy).

In short, she is killing the music industry by encouraging showy crap over actual musical talent.

[evilhorus]

That's great and all.

Calling someone bulimic (She may be or may not be, I don't know) and pointing it out like it's a bad thing. It's a f***ing eating disorder.

I stopped taking you seriously when I read that.

[Mehmani]

[quote name='Cyber Eltanin' timestamp='1306619484' post='5238319']
That's great and all.

Calling someone bulimic (She may be or may not be, I don't know) and pointing it out like it's a bad thing. It's a f***ing eating disorder.

I stopped taking you seriously when I read that.
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My sister suffered from severe anorexia for four years. I watched her nearly die. Maybe if you had bothered to read what I said in brackets you might have understood. My family went to great lengths to save my sister, but she wanted to recover as well. Stefani Germanotta shows no signs of someone attempting to recover from bulimia.

[evilhorus]

[quote name='Mikhail Nekem'evič Tal' timestamp='1306619978' post='5238332']
Stefani Germanotta shows no sings of someone attempting to recover from bulimia.
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This is bad because? Just because she isn't showing signs of any recovery attempt doesn't mean she is attempting to combat it.

Also, why is this even brought up in your argument? Being bulimic doesn't make you a worse person, and sure as hell has nothing to do with their music.

[Mehmani]

[quote name='Cyber Eltanin' timestamp='1306620216' post='5238340']
This is bad because? Just because she isn't showing signs of any recovery attempt doesn't mean she is attempting to combat it.

Also, why is this even brought up in your argument? Being bulimic doesn't make you a worse person, and sure as hell has nothing to do with their music.
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It has nothing to do with her music, but I think a Gaga fan of all people should know that music is not her priority. It is simple logic - she is dangerously skinny and she is a role model to young girls and teenagers. What message does that send out?

[evilhorus]

She is a role model in the way that she had nothing before, and everything now. Everyone I know (that speaks of Gaga) says she is too skinny, and she should gain weight. I don't disagree with that. Most people like Gaga for her music, or OTT videos/attitude, and I have never heard [b]anyone[/b] say Gaga is sexy or that she has a nice body. Mainly because she doesn't.

Although this doesn't belong in this thread, looks (physically) are another thing Adele and Gaga have in common. Neither are pretty/sexy and are respected for other reasons.

[Mehmani]

[quote name='Cyber Eltanin' timestamp='1306670104' post='5239424']
She is a role model in the way that she had nothing before, and everything now. Everyone I know (that speaks of Gaga) says she is too skinny, and she should gain weight. I don't disagree with that. Most people like Gaga for her music, or OTT videos/attitude, and I have never heard [b]anyone[/b] say Gaga is sexy or that she has a nice body. Mainly because she doesn't.

Although this doesn't belong in this thread, looks (physically) are another thing Adele and Gaga have in common. Neither are pretty/sexy and are respected for other reasons.
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Then why does Gaga prance around pretty much naked in all of her videos?

And Gaga did not have "nothing before" - she had quite a lot before. She was a middle class New York kid who got into a prestigious school. She's your average middle class, well-off child. She isn't some working-class mouthpiece of the impoverished people, she isn't and never was a struggling musicians who went through really hard times. I have so many friends who are phenomenally talented musicians, singers and composers - why don't they get any attention? They suffer, they have to teach instrument lessons and play gigs to scrape a living. Don't act like Gaga had to go through a struggle for her fame - she didn't. Every club singer and musician out there works harder than her and is more talented than her. They rely on their musical talent to get by. That used to be enough, if you look back to musicians before the late 70s, everyone was talented. The Jazz greats, the early rockers, the soul of the 60s - they relied on their talent to get themselves a foothold in the business. No longer is that the case.