tonisanoob Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 could somone plz explain what constitutes a cad being a -1 ,-2 +3 or whatever plz i just dont get it ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Supreme Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 If its the way i think it is then it depends on he card if not plz explian more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamaster125 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 It's notation of card advantage. For example say you have 1 face up monster. I play Lightning fortex. The discarded card + the lightning vortex = 2 cards. The cards I destroyed = 1. The net result is that I lost 2 cards while you only lost 1. I now have a -1 in terms of card advantage. All else being equal, that -1 means you have 1 more card than me. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 that means if it makes you discard a card or lose a card it's -1 and if it makes you lose two cards then -2 but if it makes you gain 3 cards n +3 AND IF IT MAKES YOU GAIN 1 CARD IT'S +1 AND SO ON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Supreme Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 It's notation of card advantage. For example say you have 1 face up monster. I play Lightning fortex. The discarded card + the lightning vortex = 2 cards. The cards I destroyed = 1. The net result is that I lost 2 cards while you only lost 1. I now have a -1 in terms of card advantage. All else being equal' date=' that -1 means you have 1 more card than me. Does that make sense?[/quote']Uh, that is wrong lightning is a +1 advatage, as you lose 2 cards from your hand., and he losses them from his field and it could be his ace card... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamaster125 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 that means if it makes you discard a card or lose a card it's -1 and if it makes you lose two cards then -2 but if it makes you gain 3 cards n +3 AND IF IT MAKES YOU GAIN 1 CARD IT'S +1 AND SO ON. I'm not sure if you fully understand. Let me try another example. I play polymerization fusing 2 monsters in my hand. That's a total of 3 cards just to get 1 card in return. Meanwhile my opponent's cards have been completely unaffected. The net result is a -2. Let's take smashing ground. Play smashing ground and it destroys 1 monster. It's a 1 for 1 trade, resulting in a 0 exchange of card advantage. Let's take that same smashing ground example, only this time the monster being destroyed has an equip card attached. As a result, the monster and the equip card are destroyed. I traded my smashing ground for 2 of your cards. This gives me a net reult of a +1 for card advantage, meaning I now have 1 more card than you do, all else being equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melikepizza Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Count how many cards you have to your opponents before you play a card, then after do the same. Example; - Player A has 3 cards in hand, 1 Face up Monster, 1 Face down monster and a Set S/T. (Total = 6) Player B has 3 Cards in hand and 4 Face up attack Position Monsters. (Total = 7) The difference between 6 and 7 is -1 if you are Player A. So Player B has a +1 at the moment. Player A activates Lightning Vortex and Discards Exiled force for the cost and Destroys all 4 of Player B's Monsters. Now let's re-run the advantage system. Player A has 1 Card in Hand, 1 F/D Monster and 1 F/U Monsters as well as a Set S/T. (Total=4) Player B has 3 cards in hand and an empty field (Total = 3) Now player A has 1 more card than the opponent. To find out the advantage the Lightning vortex just gave you simply look at the advantage form before and find the difference to the new advantage -1 if you are Player A. So the difference between now and then is 2. So the Lightning Vortex just gained you a +2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted February 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 aaaaaaaaaah right thanks everyone ^_^ edit:wait what if you dicard necroshade dus it still cound as you losing a card due to the face that you really want him in the grave or liek discarding treeborn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamaster125 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 aaaaaaaaaah right thanks everyone ^_^ edit:wait what if you dicard necroshade dus it still cound as you losing a card due to the face that you really want him in the grave or liek discarding treeborn? Now you're making things too complex. There are good discard choices for lightning vortex, such as treeborn frog. But in terms of discussing strict card advantage of lightning vortex, the only specific card that should be mentioned is lightning vortex itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 listen. i summon Raiza and i send my opponents monster to his deck so it's a -1 to my opponent but not for me. Jar of Greed is +1 for me cause i gain 1 card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melikepizza Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Discarding frog as a cost is technically a -1+x where x = the number of times the frog comes back. and Jar is a 1-1 since the Jar is sent to the grave to draw a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Cybernetic Dragon, you aren't understanding card advantage. Jar of Greed is a 0. You are expending 1 card (Jar of Greed) to draw 1 card. So, -1 + 1 = 0. Jar of Greed is useless unless you run an Exodia Deck or other such Turbo. Lightning Vortex is automatically an inherent -2 from the beginning. If you destroy a monster with it, it becomes a -1. If you destroy 2, then it becomes a 0. If you destroy 3, it finally gives you card advantage (a +1). Lightning Vortex is good against Swarm Decks such as Zombies for this reason, but is often not a very good draw against decks with less speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted February 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 but what happens if you use like 2 cards to destroy 1 REALLY powerful card wouldnt card advantace be negligable at that time like back to square 1 it may be negative 2 but your opponents gets a total duff draw ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b7hamma Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 You see that happen a lot this format with Phoenix Wing Wind Blast. It's a -1 but the thing is, if you discard something that will be USEFUL in the graveyard (such as Frog, Malicious or Disk), that initial loss will be compensated later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted February 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 yhea ^_^ exactly my point is it sorta like (on very basic terms)trade in dump bewdbut draw a premand say a saku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 but what happens if you use like 2 cards to destroy 1 REALLY powerful card wouldnt card advantace be negligable at that time like back to square 1 it may be negative 2 but your opponents gets a total duff draw ? The situation doesn't change to facts. Being a -1 doesn't automatically make a card horrible. If it has a good enough effect, it will still see play. It doesn't matter what card you destroy, a -1 is a -1. The only question is whether that -1 was worth it at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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