POLL: Should Treeborn Frog be Banned next list?

[RedSceptile]

From Atem:

 

By using Treeborn's effect, you cannot protect yourself with Spells and Traps, making your opponent and their Monarchs they got via Frog's effect very vulnerable.

 

[22:38] EarlSkyhawk: The Monarchs summoned are vulnerable, but have ALREADY DONE THEIR JOB.

[22:39] EarlSkyhawk: Further, you CAN protect yourself with Spells and Traps; only an idiot would think you need to ressurect Treeborn every turn. You're free to use STs to your heart's content as long as Treeborn doesn't become useless.

[22:39] EarlSkyhawk: Treeborn doesn't need to be revived every turn in competitive gameplay, only at certain instances where its +1 will be useful.

[22:40] EarlSkyhawk: When it doesn't get revived, it stays in the Grave and sits where D.D. Crow is the only competitive threat it faces.

[22:40] EarlSkyhawk: So run your chainable Spells and Traps with impunity; Treeborn doesn't care.

[22:41] EarlSkyhawk: (Note: If you think you need Treeborn available every turn, that's a misconception only disproven by analysis of gameplay at the highest levels.)

[22:42] EarlSkyhawk: As for the Monarchs being vulnerable, that's fine; no one cares about being able to keep Monarchs alive forever when a Monarch need only stay on the field 0 turns

[22:44] EarlSkyhawk: Sure, keeping a Monarch on the field longer than your opponent's next turn is nice, because it means you have nearly unparalleled field control

[22:44] EarlSkyhawk: but the 2400 ATK isn't the key to the field control in question. It's only key to preventing easy battle death for the Monarch.

[22:44] EarlSkyhawk: The effects of the Monarchs are what do the REAL work.

[22:45] EarlSkyhawk: So, bad players can waste their cards destroying Monarchs that're already on the field

[22:45] EarlSkyhawk: and realize it to be a worthless ploy when Raiza has already set them back at least 1 turn

[22:45] EarlSkyhawk: Phoenix Wing has set them back another turn

[22:45] EarlSkyhawk: Thestalos' has hit their hand options

[22:46] EarlSkyhawk: Zaborg has taken out a monster option

[22:46] EarlSkyhawk: and Mobius sitting there waiting for the stupid bastard who runs 2 STs that can't respond to Mobius.

[22:46] EarlSkyhawk: And if you're in the OCG, it's an even worse lot, as Gaius covers what Zaborg doesn't.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

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CotH

 

easy

 

if you want treeborn don't use CotH

 

why? it is self explanatory

 

go read a book......

 

Ok so because you can't use CotH is a reason no to ban a card?

 

And you dodge an awful lot of questions there' date=' go read my post.

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and you went off topic with those questions.....

 

but I will answer them

 

no they should stay banned, why? because they can be stopped? THEY DON't GIVE A DISADVANTAGE

 

unlike treeborn who has a disadvantage,

[Jib]

it doesn't stop normal/quickplay spells

 

but you have to set traps during your main phases....which would stop you on you next standby phase

 

Or you could, you know, play those S/Ts before your next Standby phase and get Frog back.

 

Your point is not valid and you didn't answer my other questions.

[The Slime Lord]

 

 

but you have to set traps during your main phases....which would stop you on you next standby phase

 

That's pretty much what I meant. I was going to clarify, but it seems KA Flame already did for me.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

it doesn't stop normal/quickplay spells

 

but you have to set traps during your main phases....which would stop you on you next standby phase

 

Or you could' date=' you know, play those S/Ts before your next Standby phase and get Frog back.

 

Your point is not valid and you didn't answer my other questions.

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i did answer them, and i made a very good point, now stop argueing.....

[Jib]

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CotH

 

easy

 

if you want treeborn don't use CotH

 

why? it is self explanatory

 

go read a book......

 

Ok so because you can't use CotH is a reason no to ban a card?

 

And you dodge an awful lot of questions there' date=' go read my post.

[/quote']

 

and you went off topic with those questions.....

 

but I will answer them

 

no they should stay banned, why? because they can be stopped? THEY DON't GIVE A DISADVANTAGE

 

unlike treeborn who has a disadvantage,

 

I wasn't going off-topic, I was countering your arguments on Frog. Re-read correctly please.

 

As for mini-mod, thanks for the rep, hope you l2read as well.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

what rep? I never gave you a rep

[Bfmvrocks]

Ok, let's see. Why should Treeborn Frog be banned? Never really said why, just that it gets revived while you have no S/T's.

 

Jib, you recieved to Neg Reps from me, read them and you'll know why.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

it doesn't stop normal/quickplay spells

 

but you have to set traps during your main phases....which would stop you on you next standby phase

 

Because you don't activate traps during your opponents turn? God, don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

it doesn't stop normal/quickplay spells

 

but you have to set traps during your main phases....which would stop you on you next standby phase

 

Because you don't activate traps during your opponents turn? God' date=' don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

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and what if the traps you actvated, had no reason to activate on your opponents turn?

[Guest PikaPerson01]

it doesn't stop normal/quickplay spells

 

but you have to set traps during your main phases....which would stop you on you next standby phase

 

Because you don't activate traps during your opponents turn? God' date=' don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

[/quote']

 

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and what if the traps you actvated, had no reason to activate on your opponents turn?

 

Your fault for including it and setting it on a turn you didn't need it.

 

Learn to deck build please.

[Shaco]

it doesn't stop normal/quickplay spells

 

but you have to set traps during your main phases....which would stop you on you next standby phase

 

Because you don't activate traps during your opponents turn? God' date=' don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

[/quote']

 

Ouch, that sounded condescending, I'm not a fan of that tone.

 

And you won't always meet the qualifications for your opponent to activate the trap cards that he/she set, so they could still stop Treeborn's summoning.

[HORUS]

I will answer the question again, because you seem to need an answer from us.

 

Treeborn Frog should not be banned because it is easily stopped by cards such as D.D. Crow.

 

As Lord Sheogorath previously stated, if they were going to ban Frog, they would already have done it.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

it doesn't stop normal/quickplay spells

 

but you have to set traps during your main phases....which would stop you on you next standby phase

 

Because you don't activate traps during your opponents turn? God' date=' don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

[/quote']

 

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and what if the traps you actvated, had no reason to activate on your opponents turn?

 

Your fault for including it and setting it on a turn you didn't need it.

 

Learn to deck build please.

 

if they didn't attack, and you had mirror force? activate it for no reason?

 

and, I am a good deck builder, hence I am one of the top players on this forum buddy

[RedSceptile]

I will answer the question again' date=' because you seem to need an answer from us.

 

Treeborn Frog should not be banned because it is easily stopped by cards such as D.D. Crow.

 

As Lord Sheogorath previously stated, if they were going to ban Frog, they would already have done it.

[/quote']

 

Double Snare stops Jinzo.

 

Jinzo should be unlimited.

[Jib]

I will answer the question again' date=' because you seem to need an answer from us.

 

Treeborn Frog should not be banned because it is easily stopped by cards such as D.D. Crow.

 

As Lord Sheogorath previously stated, if they were going to ban Frog, they would already have done it.

[/quote']

 

The Envoys are easily stopped by cards such as DD Crow. Is that a reason to unban them?

 

That point alone is not valid.

[Definitely Not XxHEXSORxX]

I will answer the question again' date=' because you seem to need an answer from us.

 

Treeborn Frog should not be banned because it is easily stopped by cards such as D.D. Crow.

 

As Lord Sheogorath previously stated, if they were going to ban Frog, they would already have done it.

[/quote']

 

 

This guy knows his stuff. Now let's discuss why Raigeki is banned...

I mean, it's easily conterable thanks to Anti Raigeki...

[HORUS]

Double Snare only stops Jinzo and Decree. thats it. nobody decks double snare. nobody decked anti-raigeki or white hole or any of those, because they are only good for 1 thing.

 

Crow stops plenty of cards, not just frog

[Shaco]

HORUS' point is valid enough.

 

 

I don't think it's right to compare the Envoys to Treeborn.

[Bfmvrocks]

Have you ever seen someone deck Double Snare?

Exactly, Jinzo is limited to 2, and that's not what this topic is about.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Treeborn Frog should not be banned because it is easily stopped by cards such as D.D. Crow.

 

Monster Reborn should not be banned, because it's easily countered by cards such as D.D. Crow.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

Treeborn Frog should not be banned because it is easily stopped by cards such as D.D. Crow.

 

Monster Reborn should not be banned' date=' because it's easily countered by cards such as D.D. Crow.

[/quote']

 

but it has no disadvantage, as I all ready stated, learn to debate propely

[RedSceptile]

Well your logic is that because D.D. Crow stops Frog it can't be banned.

 

Tell me, how is that a valid argument. Double Snare does the same,e xcept for Jinzo. By your logic of X card stops Y card, Jinzo should be unlimited.

 

White Hole stops Dark Hole, therefore there is no reason to ban Dark Hole based on the logic previously presented.

[Jib]

HORUS' point is valid enough.

 

 

I don't think it's right to compare the Envoys to Treeborn.

 

Why not. Crow stops the Envoys. Crow stops Frog.

 

Sole reason to keep Frog unbanned so far : Crow stops Frog

 

Crow stops Envoys too. Why not unban that?

[HORUS]

i didnt even see the post about the envoys.

 

THEY WERE BANNED BECAUSE THEY WERE EXTREMELY OVERPOWERED.

 

Treeborn Frog is only a +1. Raiza is like a +3, but you people dont seem to have a problem with that.

 

 

 

MACRO COSMOS AND DIMENSIONAL FISSURE AND BANISHER OF THE RADIANCE ALSO STOP TREEBORN