DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 [spoiler=Major spoiler] I think III died.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 No, I dont think he did. @"Mistake": I thought that for a moment as well, but don't forget that Machu Mach is EQUIPPED to Number 6. So Machu Mach is faceup in the S/T zone EDIT: Oh wait, that IS Number 6 in the S/T zone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1332848500' post='5890620'] [spoiler=Major spoiler] I think III died.[/spoiler] [/quote] [spoiler=Orly?] I thought so too, given the tear and how peacefully he seemed to slip away, with Tron holding his hand. It just... seemed like death. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 I'll admit the theory is credible. Very credible, and I also had that thought when I saw the scene. I just think they'd have made a bigger deal out of it. [spoiler=Elaboration] For starters, only Tron was present, and I couldn't help but think IV and V, especially the latter, would be present if III was in dire condition. The room didn't have the feel of "deathbed", but more along the lines of an extended recovery (the extreme number of pillows). III didnt seem TOO bad when he left Yuma, although Wiki says that III said something to the effect of Yuma being his first and last friend, and he wants Yuma to save his family. That's...very ominous for a character that's not dying. I have no idea what III said to Tron. But the way his hand seemed to search for something until Tron took his hand made me think of that too. Tron seemed almost tender, and the fact he seemed to vow revenge on Yuma further concerns me. If Number 6 was known to be draining III of strength and he went through those extreme shifts, plus gave Yuma some of the power, it could actually mean that III's role in the show has ended. His crest seemed to shatter when Number 6 was destroyed, and it hadn't reappeared on his hand after that. He willingly parted with the Numbers and a Heart Piece that Yuma needed. Also, characters who seem to go through such an extreme shift in personality and behavior, especially if villains, and especially if they're not actually "evil", tend to die afterwards. [/spoiler] Wait, what side was I supporting again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1332875389' post='5891117'] Wait, what side was I supporting again? [/quote] You were saying that III didn't die, which I also don't think that he did. Oh, and evilfusion. I noticed that on both Giant Killer's and Atlanthal's Card Art, the Number appears in the background behind them. The Numbers on the monsters themselves are extremely small and impossible to see otherwise, yes, but it's an interesting coincidence, possibly supporting that theory you had about Tron "creating" Numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Interestingly, the anime card art of Number 6 is the same as the RL version, including the 6 in the background. Tron explicitly had it and gave it to III. Considering it's an OOPArts, this does seem to fit my Tron Number theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Subs are now available on anime44. Obviously I don't bother with eps until these things are subbed, so this is all new to me. I guess I should spoiler it all. [spoiler=Spoilers on ep49 that probably are no longer spoilers] Well that was really weird. I'm glad Altanhal got a s*** load of crazy extra effects to beef him up as this weapon of mass destruction, especially the mutual burn, although the no battle damage was a bit 'really'. Anyway, duel is very secondary here. Concerning Astral's revival, it was pretty weird. III seemed to go berserk with the power overload to OMG what have I done very quickly, but Yuma being Yuma and getting him to help was nice I thought. Not happy with that bloody Agolism whatyacallit trap, but whatever. Situational as hell plot device. Tron is now officially a completely evil git to expose III to that, and watch the destruction like everything was under control as he did. He can be as tender as he wants at his bedside, it's on your head mate, and would have been a lot worse if not for Yuma (still when did villian's think rationally). I guess if Tron and the family are appearing together at the finals gala where Yuma is, they will confront him about III either way. I would like to think he did die, harsh as that sounds. I was going to assume he disappeared in the void between the two worlds, but when he appeared I just though 'please be dead. It would be epic if you're dead' and he got up and I was 'awww'. But then if he got back to Tron and the others and died with his family, then that's better. Pretty much with evilfusions arguments are valid for and against, guess we'll have to wait. IMO It would be better for the series if he died, he looked [i]very[/i] ill in that bed and still at peace, which sums up his character, although given the average viewer age I doubt it. However will note it didn't look to me like Astral got 33 and 6, and that they had disappeared (back to Tron). That might just be me. Doesn't matter either way given that it will clearly be the last time either appear (although I'd forgive Yuma for never letting Altanhal out). [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 The fact the Numbers were left behind with the Heart Piece MUCH more gave the impression that III gave them to Yuma. Considering his crest prevented them from being taken by Astral before, it'd make no sense to have them left there like that if they were going back to Tron and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1332972268' post='5892864'] The fact the Numbers were left behind with the Heart Piece MUCH more gave the impression that III gave them to Yuma. Considering his crest prevented them from being taken by Astral before, it'd make no sense to have them left there like that if they were going back to Tron and family. [/quote] Yeah I guess. Just a shot of Astral with his hand outstretched in the background would have been nice, like usual. Unless it was and I didn't notice. Good night III. You were a noble and gentle spirit who did your best (and he did actually duel well, just didn't get the results. But not in a disappointing way compared to my fears for IV and V). I kinda hope III's death really inspires Yuma to help the family in his memory, as much as it will inspire the family's vengance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 After seeing the episode subbed, the impression that III died is still there, but the dialogue doesn't seem like it. Tron did say for him to rest well, and that's a weird thing to say if the person is actually about to die. And no, Astral didn't visibly take the Numbers. But again, there's no reason whatsoever for III to have left them behind with the Heart Piece if Yuma and Astral aren't going to receive them. If they did return to Tron, there should have been some indication of it later in the episode. Otherwise, it'd be similar to Number 7, except less ambiguous and more of a fake-out that defies logic. Not having them appear with the Heart Piece would have better given the impression that III didn't "lose" them, considering it's already explicitly known that his crest prevents Astral from taking Numbers from him. And really, Tron has never seemed worried about losing Numbers, so I don't see him going out of his way to ensure they aren't lost. They did have a plan to give Shark a Number, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1332974292' post='5892932'] After seeing the episode subbed, the impression that III died is still there, but the dialogue doesn't seem like it. Tron did say for him to rest well, and that's a weird thing to say if the person is actually about to die. And really, Tron has never seemed worried about losing Numbers, so I don't see him going out of his way to ensure they aren't lost. They did have a plan to give Shark a Number, after all. [/quote] How reliable are subbers with translations? A lot of the time they seem to make really silly illogical mistakes. I meant with that silly trap card that destroyed stuff. If he really cared that much about III's welfare above all else, he wouldn't have given it too him. To be fair he did give III warning about Altanhal and III did volunteer for it and hesistated, but still... well put it this way I think if III did die and Yuma ever found out about it he would blame Tron, and Tron would be fair game for all manner of verbal abuse. Whether he'd actually feel responsible or just blame Yuma for getting in the way.... Oh it's all getting interesting. I really want this Tron vs Yuma final now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDorago Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Whew, finally caught up. I really doubt III died. The setting seemed a bit like that was the case, and III was acting sort of like he was dying, but as it was said earlier, why was neither brother there if that were the case? III was also obviously in a good enough condition to stand up, leave three prizes and talk a bit. I think this just shows that he'll be out for a while (and it's understandable considering he just used two incredibly strong powers, nearly destroyed everything, commanded two Numbers, was absorbed by one of them, and had his power pulled out of him.) By the way, does that mean III has lost the power of his crest for good or was that just more of a temporary loan situation to let Yuma revive Astral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 I'm not sure if III still has his crest's powers. His D-Gazer disappeared after he transferred the powers to Yuma, and the marking seemed to shatter when Number 6 was destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Well I have to continue watching Zexal where I stopped. For now, I leave you guys with this for Anna~ [url="http://9gag.com/gag/3623453"][img]http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3623453_460s.jpg[/img][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 [quote name='CDDRodrigo' timestamp='1333056217' post='5893955'] Well I have to continue watching Zexal where I stopped. For now, I leave you guys with this for Anna~ [url="http://9gag.com/gag/3623453"][img]http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3623453_460s.jpg[/img][/url] [/quote] Where had you stopped? Because since we got past the god awful first day, it's actually been really good. (Speaking off, I re-watched ep 31 for fanfic purposes. I must have missed Heartland telling Faker than over 50% of the competitors were elimanated that day alone. Which should have been logical, but whatever, explains how we're down to so few now. Hopefully not just eight though). Even the filler that was just to eliminate Cathy or give Gauche promo has been good. I think the last genuinely bad episode (without jinxing anything) was probably 32 and the end of 'that' run (would have been 30 had it not been for the silly way that duel ended. Sorry for reminding everyone). Also, Anna :3 I'm a fan of Anna, you got a problem, she blasts you with her cannon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I didnt recall Mr. Heartland mentioning that, either, but it is logical. Assuming everyone Dueled once that day (obviously, some dueled more than that), the loser lost their only Heart Piece and thus, everyone remaining had 2, and the other half have 0. Obviously, it didn't work out that perfectly, but the point remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Stopped on the 24th episode, right when Yuma went rip off mode. I'm waaaaaaaaaay behind .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 [quote name='CDDRodrigo' timestamp='1333135913' post='5895117'] Stopped on the 24th episode, right when Yuma went rip off mode. I'm waaaaaaaaaay behind .-. [/quote] Feel free to skip episodes 27-30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1333143325' post='5895264'] Feel free to skip episodes 27-30. [/quote] But cannons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I said "feel free", not "You must". Those are just 3-4 straight episodes of Yuma dueling random character X, and that's pretty much it. At least Charlie's episodes were vaguely interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 You can also skip 39 if you want. I think its 39 anyways. As much as I wanted to see Cathy duel, the fact she lost and her new Xyz was crap ruined it. Also, I'll say it now, Syuta pulls some hilarious faces. On a side note, do we know anything about about the 1 new Numbers Hunter in the manga? I also have a few predictions. Number 9: Dyson Sphere will either be LIGHT or WIND Attribute. The goons Yuma and Anna duel will have Numbers. Droite will use a Number, and will lose to Tron. Shark will take Giant Killer and Heaven's Strings when/if he beats IV. Tron will either have a single digit Number or a Number in the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1333143325' post='5895264'] Feel free to skip episodes 27-30. [/quote] Well, I'd watch 27 itself, since it gets you into WDC mode (and given that the videos for ep26 broke, not sure if they've been fixed). And the whole team thing was nice given the main target market. I would have said 25 was really skippable as its just a recap, but then Rodrigo needs it. :3 But yeah 28-30 were really horrible. Charlies eps were interesting, they just butchered it. [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1333147874' post='5895342'] You can also skip 39 if you want. I think its 39 anyways. As much as I wanted to see Cathy duel, the fact she lost and her new Xyz was crap ruined it. Also, I'll say it now, Syuta pulls some hilarious faces. On a side note, do we know anything about about the 1 new Numbers Hunter in the manga? I also have a few predictions. Number 9: Dyson Sphere will either be LIGHT or WIND Attribute. The goons Yuma and Anna duel will have Numbers. Droite will use a Number, and will lose to Tron. Shark will take Giant Killer and Heaven's Strings when/if he beats IV. Tron will either have a single digit Number or a Number in the 90s. [/quote] -Dyson Sphere is supposed to be space related, so light or dark. I'm also going to guess it'll be Rank 10 or something daft. -Very much doubt it. Kaito's kinda taken down all the random one-time goons who have Numbers. -Probably. In fact hopefully. -Would have thought IV will have a new Number for Shark. PLEASE KONAMI not another Gimmick Puppet number!!! -Shrugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1333162873' post='5895625'] PLEASE KONAMI not another Gimmick Puppet number!!! -Shrugs. [/quote] ...Why is another Gimmick Puppet Number unacceptable? The Numbers are shown to appear as blank cards when they drift down to Earth. Then, when someone picks them up, they shine and change into a normal card (as in Galaxy Queen). The first owner of the Number can choose what to make it like, so that it fits his/her deck's playstyle. Faker's crew knew about the Numbers from before they even existed, and Tron's Family, having originated from them, probably did too. Thus, it was very possible that they also knew about this nature of the Numbers, and exactly how to collect them before someone else obtains them. Tron used his powers to collect as many Blank Numbers as possible when they first appeared, and then handed out to his children (at least, [i]I[/i] think they are). As a result, the members of the Tron Family got multiple Numbers that suited their decks. On a separate note, though this is irrelevant, Tron probably used some rather forceful way to achieve this, and as a result, the Numbers used by the Tron Family have a unique feature - the Number Marks appearing in the pictures' backgrounds. The above is my theory, but if it's the truth, it's no wonder there are multiple Numbers for a single archetype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1333166444' post='5895694'] ...Why is another Gimmick Puppet Number unacceptable? [/quote] 1 - (Less importantly) I find all these similar Numbers quite dull. I'm not asking for him to pop a Rank 6 giant eagle or dinosaur out of somewhere, that would be silly. But just something a bit different. 2 - (More importantly) If all of IV's boss monsters are Numbers, therefore Gimmicks have no boss monsters at all outside of Numbers, then how did he ever win a match with them before the Numbers appeared? I am aware of the flashbacks with Shark that he previously used Gravekeepers, but going with your theory of Numbers moulding duelists if he'd been using them anytime recently we'd have ended up with Number 15: Gravekeeper's... instead, so he must have been using Gimmicks for a while and winning with them. I'd like to see how. Like we saw with III he had OOParts Crystal Alien, which was by no means an inconsiderable monster for Shark to get round. And I'd like to think he's beaten some Numbers users in the qualifiers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1333162873' post='5895625'] -Dyson Sphere is supposed to be space related, so light or dark. I'm also going to guess it'll be Rank 10 or something daft. [/quote] Considering the theme for single-digit numbers, it might be Rank 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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