Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Still bothered by the fact that we're nearly fifty episodes in, and Machu Mach is only the [u][b]fifth[/b][/u] Number out of 22 from the series to make a recurring in duel appearance (i.e. appear in two duels) and that includes the Chaos Number. Six if you include Black Mist's frankly epic 'duel' with Hope, and obviously Shark Drake will return at some point in the next season. Definately a low light of this arc that we haven't seen the occasional Leviath or anything from Yuma, what with this sudden swerve from 'Numbers amplify humans predominant desires' to 'all Numbers except Hope are EV-IL!' So, close of the season fast approaches, and then the dawn of season three, with new music and opening scene and everything. Thoughts on this season? Predictions for the future? Obviously the finals will be some sort of straight shootout knock out similar to other toruneys, guessing a sort of 'last sixteen' stage. Think last eight is too few to jump to given the number of entries, and that Yuma, Shark, Kaito, Tron, IV, V, Gauche and Droite automatically make up eight places themselves. Think after a first round of defeating new jobbers and V and Tron getting some victorys against maybe Droite or someone, Shark will defeat IV in the quarters, Yuma to defeat Gauche, Kaito will get past V (maybe the other way round). Semis Yuma beats Shark, Tron beats Kaito (runs from evilfusion). Tron defeats Yuma in final and uses his wish to challenge Faker. We finally find out what the deal is with them and who the bigger bad really is. That's what I'm sorta hoping for anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Worse: Yuma last played Leviathan in episode 14, against Kaito. It was never used again, despite numerous chances to be played. The recurring Numbers... -Number 39 (DUH) -Number 17 -Number 15 -Number 33 -Number 7 -Number C39 Well, you should always expect it'll be a Yuma vs Kaito duel in the finals somewhere. If Tron were to defeat Yuma (which would actually be cool, but I wont hope on it), then there'd have to be a Kaito vs Yuma semi-Final somewhere, similar to how Kaiba dueled Yugi in the semi-finals of the Battle City tournament, whereas the winner would face the main antagonist and both players have strong motivations to overcome the other, whether to face said antagonist or to defeat their rival. Tangent: Marik only won all his games in the finals on a technicality. From one point of view, he actually LOST all the games. On a similar note, most Yugioh tournaments have the friends/rivals duel a round or two before the finals, and the finals involves the antagonist. And don't worry. I wouldn't be surprised if Kaito did lose. He has yet to be defeated, and while I fully anticipate that duel being between him and Yuma, due to their major rival status and fact that Kaito has Neo Galaxy-Eyes now, it would not really be uncalled for if Kaito lost to a major antagonist. But I somehow doubt it will happen, again, because Kaito and Yuma are set up innumerable times as needing to duel eventually for all their Numbers, and it'd just be a cop-out to have him lose to someone else. However, I note that Tron said something back in episode 26 about needing Shark once they've gathered all the Numbers. Combined with their efforts to corrupt Shark with Number 32, I wonder exactly what they need Shark specifically for, if not other Number wielders like Yuma and Kaito. They do seem to know of Kaito quite well, and while Kaito hasn't given much indication he knows them personally, aside from asking Yuma in slight surprise whether he knew IV, it's possible they've had some level of association. Of course, there's more evidence against it. According to Mr. Heartland, Kaito only identified them as people with strange markings. III was awed by Galaxy-Eyes, his reaction was more in line of someone who had never seen, but only heard, of it rather than anyone truly familiar with its powers. Also, last episode gave an interesting thought. III's little breakdown before going somewhat crazy said something about "The family he finally got back", further supported by his mention of feeling alone in despair. We dont know details about their motives for revenge, but now I wonder if there isn't more to their present relationship. Were they separated somehow? When they finally regathered, IV's personality had taken a severe turn for the worse, it seemed, and V seems much colder than he was in III's flashback. And we still don't know what role Tron plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Number 7, annoyingly that does count actually, Charlie vs meathead jobber with squeaky voice. What a great duel that was. Hey we could include 11 and 16 as well on that basis, after 30 seconds worth of Jin vs random criminal. Let's say full duels that we see turn to finish. I can see them wanting to keep Yuma vs Kaito undecided for a bit really, whereas Shark vs Yuma is a good rivalry that currently officially stands at 1-1 (would have been 2-1 had Shark not walked) and they promised a match at the finals. Plus Tron defeating Kaito would be major push for his credentials. I can't see Yuma winning the tournament. In fact I would be major pissed if he did. If Kaito wins it all, nothing can kinda lead from that. Interesting thoughts one and all. I'm loving the thickness of the plot at the moment. Just which they'd stop veering from it for matches against tomato fetish guys and little punks that swear excessively. Ps: Not impressed with the look of Number 6 at all. I need new Numbers for fic, not like that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1331923819' post='5873486'] -Number 39 (DUH) -Number 17 -Number 15 -Number 33 -Number 7 -Number C39 [/quote] You missed 1 Number. There's 1 other Number that has reappeared since its introduction. I'm hoping that when/if Yuma and Kaito duel, they just start spamming Numbers left and right. Otherwise, I really don't think we'll ever see the other 10+ Numbers Kaito has. I wouldn't be surprised if Gauche and Droite are using a Number or 2 by the finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 [quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1331925198' post='5873528'] Number 7, annoyingly that does count actually, Charlie vs meathead jobber with squeaky voice. What a great duel that was. Hey we could include 11 and 16 as well on that basis, after 30 seconds worth of Jin vs random criminal. Let's say full duels that we see turn to finish. I can see them wanting to keep Yuma vs Kaito undecided for a bit really, whereas Shark vs Yuma is a good rivalry that currently officially stands at 1-1 (would have been 2-1 had Shark not walked) and they promised a match at the finals. Plus Tron defeating Kaito would be major push for his credentials. [/quote] I didnt count Number 11 or 16. I was counting Numbers that got officially Summoned on-screen, not just a player making their monster appear randomly with no explanation of how it got out (Number 56, 11, 16). Number 7 at least got Summoned on-screen with Overlaying 3 monsters. [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1331935507' post='5873751'] You missed 1 Number. There's 1 other Number that has reappeared since its introduction. I'm hoping that when/if Yuma and Kaito duel, they just start spamming Numbers left and right. Otherwise, I really don't think we'll ever see the other 10+ Numbers Kaito has. I wouldn't be surprised if Gauche and Droite are using a Number or 2 by the finals. [/quote] Number 96 doesn't count for the reason mentioned above. If I missed another one, which one? Kaito only really used Numbers in episode 13 against Yuma. In the next turn, he used Galaxy-Eyes for the rest of the duel. Every other duel since, he's used a variety of Photon monsters, with the goal being to use Galaxy-Eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1331936244' post='5873763'] I didnt count Number 11 or 16. I was counting Numbers that got officially Summoned on-screen, not just a player making their monster appear randomly with no explanation of how it got out (Number 56, 11, 16). Number 7 at least got Summoned on-screen with Overlaying 3 monsters. Number 96 doesn't count for the reason mentioned above. If I missed another one, which one? Kaito only really used Numbers in episode 13 against Yuma. In the next turn, he used Galaxy-Eyes for the rest of the duel. Every other duel since, he's used a variety of Photon monsters, with the goal being to use Galaxy-Eyes. [/quote] Not talking about 96. I'm talking about http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Number_50%3A_Black_Corn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I'm ONLY referring to the anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1331936521' post='5873771'] Not talking about 96. I'm talking about [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Number_50%3A_Black_Corn"]http://yugioh.wikia....0%3A_Black_Corn[/url] [/quote] [quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1331922754' post='5873444'] Still bothered by the fact that we're nearly fifty episodes in, and Machu Mach is only the [u][b]fifth[/b][/u] Number out of [u][b]22 from the series[/b][/u] to make a recurring in duel appearance (i.e. appear in two duels) and that includes the Chaos Number. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Checked some stuff, the raw will be late, and consequently the subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 good news, Number 6 DOES have a sealed form [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120320043723/yugioh/images/thumb/e/ee/Number6-JP-Anime-ZX-Sealed.jpg/668px-Number6-JP-Anime-ZX-Sealed.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxCaller Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 i think that III is a coward in reality, cause why otherwise would he use his power to play dirty and rid Yuma of his ambition? that would only mean that III is actually afraid of Yuma's kattobing, or at least sees it as a threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Coward might be a bit too extreme, but I definitely think his tactic is a low blow. I'm inclined to think the shift in personality is very deliberate, possibly influenced by Tron's ritual. Obviously, III's motivation is to protect his family and help with the revenge plan, and Yuma is a major hinderance. He noted last episode that with Yuma's fighting spirit and Astral's strategy, they're stronger than he is, and soon after, the darker power emerged. And this episode, he's only getting worse. Number 6's Summon is actually kind of epic. But I think I know exactly how next episode will go. [spoiler=Prediction] Next turn, Yuma will somehow Summon Chaos Number 39, use Overlay Eater's effect to steal Number 6's remaining Overlay Unit, and then use the 3 Overlay Units to boost Chaos Number's ATK to 4000 and Number 6 down to 2000. III only has 1800 LP left, so that'll be game. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Is the raw out somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1332288267' post='5881306'] Coward might be a bit too extreme, but I definitely think his tactic is a low blow. I'm inclined to think the shift in personality is very deliberate, possibly influenced by Tron's ritual. Obviously, III's motivation is to protect his family and help with the revenge plan, and Yuma is a major hinderance. He noted last episode that with Yuma's fighting spirit and Astral's strategy, they're stronger than he is, and soon after, the darker power emerged. And this episode, he's only getting worse. Number 6's Summon is actually kind of epic. But I think I know exactly how next episode will go. [spoiler=Prediction] Next turn, Yuma will somehow Summon Chaos Number 39, use Overlay Eater's effect to steal Number 6's remaining Overlay Unit, and then use the 3 Overlay Units to boost Chaos Number's ATK to 4000 and Number 6 down to 2000. III only has 1800 LP left, so that'll be game. [/spoiler] [/quote] You forgot Phoenix Bow =o So, amending imo [spoiler=] Go ZeXal, Have C39 with 1 material, detach it to lower #6 to 3000 and up himself to 3000, use Bow, GG [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 I haven't heard anything at all about Phoenix Bow, aside from it allegedly exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 III will probably use from random card that increases Number 6's attack or something. EDIT- it seems that...... Yuma's dad was the person who appeared in the Emperor's Key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Papa Tsukumo == Papa Fudo 2.0 awaits for Bitchslap scene anytime soon Also is this the first time Yuma's Friend has direct contact with Astral??...didn't they freak out or something?...coz at least Kotori seemd to know who he is.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 [quote name='-Lightray Daedalus-' timestamp='1332295823' post='5881537'] Also is this the first time Yuma's Friend has direct contact with Astral??...didn't they freak out or something?...coz at least Kotori seemd to know who he is.. [/quote] They did see him briefly during the match with Jin, right before Chaos Number 39's debut. So they've seen him before. And Kotori and Tokunosuke should have glimpsed him during the duel against Droite and Gauche, since Astral briefly appeared to those two as well. And Kotori and Tetsuo saw him when Number 96 possessed him. Granted, they saw him mostly as Number 96, but the point still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Found subs [url="http://www.anime44.com/yu-gi-oh-zexal-episode-48"]http://www.anime44.com/yu-gi-oh-zexal-episode-48[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Just watched this. I personally couldn't remember the times evilfusion mentioned about Astral becoming visible to the others and thought this was the first time. Still, not sure why III would reveal Astral to them just for the sake of being a dick. Yes they get to see him being destroyed, but still it would have probably been a better plan to keep them in the dark. Ah well guess it was kinda scary, the whole episode has been very dark and moody. Beggers the question though: If III can do all that crazy stuff with his/Tron's crest to Astral, Kotori et all, why doesn't he just erase Yuma and be done with it? It's not like as far as I can remember he's even tried and found he couldn't cuz of the key or something. Just do the sensible thing III and erase the hero with your new deranged evilness (which hasn't improved since last week). [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1332288267' post='5881306'] Number 6's Summon is actually kind of epic. But I think I know exactly how next episode will go. Prediction Next turn, Yuma will somehow Summon Chaos Number 39, use Overlay Eater's effect to steal Number 6's remaining Overlay Unit, and then use the 3 Overlay Units to boost Chaos Number's ATK to 4000 and Number 6 down to 2000. III only has 1800 LP left, so that'll be game. [/quote] Number 6 is only cool because 1) It's freaking huge and 2) It's attack is called Divine Punishment. I really wasn't going to bother with it in YGO24 when I first saw it, but on the above basis I now might. Prediction: Somehow? It's not exactly Shooting Star difficult to summon is it. Your maths would be right and it would be typical of the next episode to be over in one turn like (Yusei vs Primo for example) but you forgot about... [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1332288724' post='5881317'] You forgot Phoenix Bow =o So, amending imo Go ZeXal, Have C39 with 1 material, detach it to lower #6 to 3000 and up himself to 3000, use Bow, GG [/quote] I haven't looked at Bow's effect yet, and won't until the episode next week. I've actually enjoyed the duel as a duel. Fantastic to see Full Elf make an appearance and actually use its (slightly altered) effect, even if discarding Overlay Eater to keep Gardna on the field would have been the more efficient move. Eh whatever, we've already established Yuma needs to be handless and devoid of all options for his Zexal moment. Same way that the writers seemingly forgot about Bound Wand's effect, but no big deal. Gagagarevenge attack boost seems a bit pointless, should have been more. Hopefully this silly non-rivalry will end, along with III's dueling involvement, and we can move on to the finals and new characters with new Numbers facing the likes of Shark and Kaito more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 I found 2 things on lolwikia. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_051 [b] Head to the Finals! The Duel Coaster is ready to GO![/b] is the fiftieth and one episode of the [i][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL"]Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL[/url][/i] anime. The strongest Duelist who earned invitations by qualifying board the Duel Coaster. Your next opponent is dependent on where they are located on this Coaster. [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yuma"]Yuma[/url], excited by this, takes rush ahead, but he realizes he's made the terrible mistake of forgetting his [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Heart_Pieces"]Heart Pieces[/url], which he needs. Yuma rushes back, in his haste, an unexpected assassin approaches from behind. Here's the bad news. It seems Zexal will be going on a 2 week hiatus after episode 50..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 [quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1332411094' post='5883326'] Just watched this. I personally couldn't remember the times evilfusion mentioned about Astral becoming visible to the others and thought this was the first time. Still, not sure why III would reveal Astral to them just for the sake of being a dick. Yes they get to see him being destroyed, but still it would have probably been a better plan to keep them in the dark. Ah well guess it was kinda scary, the whole episode has been very dark and moody. Beggers the question though: If III can do all that crazy stuff with his/Tron's crest to Astral, Kotori et all, why doesn't he just erase Yuma and be done with it? It's not like as far as I can remember he's even tried and found he couldn't cuz of the key or something. Just do the sensible thing III and erase the hero with your new deranged evilness (which hasn't improved since last week). Number 6 is only cool because 1) It's freaking huge and 2) It's attack is called Divine Punishment. I really wasn't going to bother with it in YGO24 when I first saw it, but on the above basis I now might. Prediction: Somehow? It's not exactly Shooting Star difficult to summon is it. Your maths would be right and it would be typical of the next episode to be over in one turn like (Yusei vs Primo for example) but you forgot about... I haven't looked at Bow's effect yet, and won't until the episode next week. I've actually enjoyed the duel as a duel. Fantastic to see Full Elf make an appearance and actually use its (slightly altered) effect, even if discarding Overlay Eater to keep Gardna on the field would have been the more efficient move. Eh whatever, we've already established Yuma needs to be handless and devoid of all options for his Zexal moment. Same way that the writers seemingly forgot about Bound Wand's effect, but no big deal. Gagagarevenge attack boost seems a bit pointless, should have been more. Hopefully this silly non-rivalry will end, along with III's dueling involvement, and we can move on to the finals and new characters with new Numbers facing the likes of Shark and Kaito more. [/quote] Because if the plot allowed characters to literally erase someone from existence, and be able to do that to the hero, there'd be no more plot. Besides, considering III REFUSED to accept Yuma's surrender, there's two things to consider. Either 1- He's having an ego trip and will only be satisfied by defeating Yuma, even if the duel ceases to be fair as a result. 2- He needs to defeat Yuma to get his Numbers. Simply surrendering or killing Yuma wont be enough. Also, III seemed shocked that Yuma was still able to Summon Number 39, even after his brainwashing was removed, so he must somehow have known Astral was the key to the Numbers and thought Yuma was unable to use them now. You forget: While Yuma was under the effects of III's crest, he completely lost the ability to fight back with any degree of competence. It was Astral's reminder that showed him Gagaga Gardna in the first place, and Bound Wand's effect being forgotten is also justified by it having been destroyed after III caused the shift in personality. Gagagarevenge is a costless Premature Burial for a Gagaga monster. Even if the boost is meaningless, the basic effect is good enough. I did get a small kick out of Yuma getting PISSED. I half-hoped he'd get possessed by Number 39, but alas, no such luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1332416229' post='5883363'] I found 2 things on lolwikia. [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_051"]http://yugioh.wikia....L_-_Episode_051[/url] [b]Head to the Finals! The Duel Coaster is ready to GO![/b] is the fiftieth and one episode of the [i][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL"]Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL[/url][/i] anime. The strongest Duelist who earned invitations by qualifying board the Duel Coaster. Your next opponent is dependent on where they are located on this Coaster. [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yuma"]Yuma[/url], excited by this, takes rush ahead, but he realizes he's made the terrible mistake of forgetting his [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Heart_Pieces"]Heart Pieces[/url], which he needs. Yuma rushes back, in his haste, an unexpected assassin approaches from behind. Here's the bad news. It seems Zexal will be going on a 2 week hiatus after episode 50..... [/quote] That sounds.... awkward... That sounds... damn.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Not too much of a surprise. Episode 50 conveniently marks the end of the WDC preliminaries, and probably a new season begins after that. Season 1 was 25 episodes long, too. The preview for episode 51 does sound weird. And yeah, the clip for episode 49 doesn't seem like a one turn finisher. On a hunch, III ends up using Number 6's effect again. And he probably attacks, removing Hope's last Overlay Unit, which completely messes up the calculations, so another Zexal Weapon is very likely. And Number C39 probably isn't appearing immediately. Not only is it a plot device based on Yuma and Astral's bond (thus possibly limiting its useage), but if Yuma was able to drop it, he'd have won last turn by bringing out Number 39, using Overlay Eater on Number 33's Overlay, then going for Number C39 with 4 Overlay Units for game. This is why it's mildly annoying but completely crucial for some sort of plot influence over a character's most powerful card (like Savior Star Dragon and Number C39). Too many plot-holes if the character doesn't play the obvious game-winning combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Here's 52: [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_052"]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_052[/url] [b]"The Duel Coaster VS The Roaring Express"[/b] is the fiftieth and second episode of the [i][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL"]Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL[/url][/i] anime. Yuma is attacked by a group of mysterious bounty hunters named "Fallguys". Against the teamwork of these three super powerful opponent, Yuma is brutally assaulted by a series of relentless attacks. In his attempt to escape this trouble by lane changing the coaster, he winds up solidifying the formation of those 3 guys. But the one who saves Yuma, who fell into this desperate stituation, was "[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Anna_Kozuki"]That person[/url]" who wields a Railroad Deck! (from Neo Ark Cradle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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