evilfusion Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 He's actually been pretty good about not being a moron lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDorago Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 At least half of the stuff he does is because Astral tells him to make that play, though. Sure, he held out against Droite and Gauche, and with just a prompt from Astral he can usually figure out what to do. But the thing is that whenever he starts to seem like he's improving a bit, he does something stupid enough so that it doesn't really hold much weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 What Yuma needs is a better deck, and to use a Number OTHER THAN HOPE. He can summon ANY of the 12 Numbers he has, thanks to Gagaga Magician and Gagaga Girl, but he never uses them. I understand if he didn't want to use Shock Ruler and Revise against someone who didn't have a Number, but still that was just embarassing...... At times it seems like Yuma is trying to avoid getting into a position where he can use other Numbers. In his second duel against Shark and his duel against the cleaning robot, he could have summon Revise, yet he summoned Hope. I think he could have also summon Volcansaurs against Yamakaniwa as well. Against Cathy, he could have summoned Galaxy Queen. 3x Gagaga Magician 3 Gagaga Girl 3x Kuribolt 2x Gogogo Golem 1x Car Card D 1x Damage Mage 1x Dododo Warrior 1x Golblinburg 1x Gagaga Guarda 1x Taisuke Knight 1x Zexal Weapon Unicorn King Spear 1x Monster Reborn 1x Double or Nothing 1x Voltage Summon 2x Monster Slots 1x Wonder Wand 2x Bye Bye Damage 2x Damage Diet 1x Mirror Mail 2x Gagaga Guard 1x Fiery Feivor 1x Attack Invulnerabilty 1x Number 39: Aspiring Emperor Hope 1x Chaos Number 39: Hope Ray 1x Number 17: Revise Dragon 1x Number 83: Galaxy Queen 1x Number 61: Volcansaurs 1x Number 16: Ruler of Color Shock Ruler 1x Number 11: Big Eye 1x Number 25: Focus Force 1x Number 34: Terror-Byte 1x Baby Tragon 1x String Devil Muzumuzu Rythim 1x Drum Devil Tenten Tempo 1x Brass Devil Mellomello Mellody And thats just using the cards he's used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDorago Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Two things about his deck scare me. One is how bad it is, but we all knew that. Secondly, holy s***, he runs multiple copies of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='IceDorago' timestamp='1329884879' post='5832993'] Two things about his deck scare me. One is how bad it is, but we all knew that. Secondly, holy s***, he runs multiple copies of stuff. [/quote] Only Gagaga Magician and Monster Reborn. I threw in the multiple copies. And yes, you read right. He runs 2 Monster Reborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDorago Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 So he's even worse than we thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Well, against Cathy, Baby Tiragon had a game-winning combo, and Galaxy Queen did not. It should be noted that Astral did not tell him any moves at all. And in his rematch with Shark, he overlooked that Monster Reborn could revive an opponent's monster, and didn't realize Killer Frilled Shark's effect. Astral noted this was a misplay. In the tag-team duel, he remembered this mistake and did the combo with Armored Xyz, again with no prompting. The cleaning robot was dumb, because Astral noted he could have won the duel by using Number 17, but Yuma wanted to win a certain way. So Yuma shows elements of improving at times, but he's really not that good. Also the Number 39 obsession annoys the hell out of me, although I will admit, him using Number 39 against III and IV was unusually epic. How they managed to make Yuma summoning the EXACT. SAME. MONSTER. he always does at least somewhat awesome is beyond me. As for Volcasaurus vs Yamikawa, I always say he should have Summoned Volca, but his Spell lowers the Level by 2. I say the writers still could have made him win by having that Spell lower by 1. I dont think he's even Summoned Number 17 since his first duel with Kaito. That was 30 episodes ago. Since then, it's only been Hope or some random Xyz that he shouldn't have. I got momentarily excited in his duel with Soccer guy because he went for a Rank 3. Then I saw the red spiral and went "Wait, WTF?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 This has been mentioned many times, but I think it's natural that Yuma stopped using Numbers except Hope after his encounter with Black Mist, given [s]Astral's voice actor was wickedly amazing when he acted as 96[/s] he was almost killed by a Number (ya know, anyone'd get feelings of doubt if that happens). It makes even more sense after Black Mist nearly kills Astral - AGAIN - in the duel against Gauche and Droit, AND it's officially confirmed that all the Numbers except Hope are somehow evil. BTW, this is definitely off-topic, but I think Shark is one of the best duelists in all of the four anime, along with Yusei. Not the "good duelist" as in Judai with his godly and undeserved luck, or Crow with his hilariously broken cards, I mean the "good duelist" in terms of simple playing skills. Shark's cards have an overall tendency of being underpowered, something most guys can easily see. Hell, his ace monster has only 2100 ATK! But, he's still got some playing skills that I think are worth mentioning. For instance, using Shark Lair and Shocktopus together. Shark Lair prevents the opponent from attacking with low-ATK monsters, meaning (in the ZeXal world where Xyz Monsters are always the ace monsters,) the opponent'll have to summon an Xyz Monster. And given Shark's enemy is a Numbers Hunter, he'd probably have a good lot of Numbers to summon. Once he summons a Number and attacks Shocktopus and its effect activates, combined with the anime Numbers' ability, Shark gets a free sandbag that he can punch all he wants. And, even if Kaito somehow destroys Shocktopus except by battle, Splash Capture can allow Shark to take control of the Number. He did have a pretty good strategy up his sleeve at that moment. If Kaito hadn't used Polymerization, there was a high chance of Shark winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Decent analysis. But you overlooked one thing: It wasn't Kaito using Polymerization that did Shark in. It was that Kaito anticipated Shark would use an Xyz-stealing card and deliberately Summoned Acid Golem, whose 3000 ATK would be irresistible, plus he had the Spell to remove the Overlays. And you're right. Shark was good enough to win a national tournament without being super wealthy like Kaiba, broken Deck like Crow, or lucksacky like every other non-Yuma protagonist. Granted, he got disqualified because IV's a prick, but he would have won. I like to think that if IV's facedown was Mirror Force, Shark was going to Xyz Summon Aero Shark for game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1329891912' post='5833285']It wasn't Kaito using Polymerization that did Shark in. It was that Kaito anticipated Shark would use an Xyz-stealing card and deliberately Summoned Acid Golem, whose 3000 ATK would be irresistible, plus he had the Spell to remove the Overlays.[/quote] Well, true. Kaito doesn't have overpowered cards either (except maybe Photon Draw), but he does have skills of reading his opponents' moves. I like how ZeXal's characters who are portrayed as being good at the game actually have right playing skills. BTW, this is extremely irrelevant yet again, but I found a pretty fun test of whether your brain is immobolized by dueling or not. Let's say, there's [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Primo]a duelist who can freely warp through dimensions by swinging a hyper-technological blade[/url], or [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Kaito]a duelist who is accompanied by a slave robot who can slow down time to 1/10000[/url]. What's the main absurd point in these guys? (No, please nothing like "that's natural".) [spoiler=Possibilities] If you thought "Those aren't aspects required in dueling -.-", that's the sure sign of a "duelist brain". Whether that's a good thing or not, you choose. Normal people would usually feel surprised at the utter fact that someone with powers like those will ever use card games to fight. For instance, Placido can simply cut Yusei in half with his sword. Which was your result?[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDorago Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 But no one ever uses their alternate weaponry because they have card games. Even if you do have a robot slave who could just drill through someone's heart instead of you having to win a duel with them to take their soul. Also, I decided to check how the Hope spam compares to the amount of times Stardust was used. ZeXal has less than a third of the number of episodes 5D's had, yet Hope has only been in 18 less episodes than Stardust was in 5D's. I swear, the writers are doing what was done with Neos, except this is a good card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 If they had to change Ryoga to a Western name, surely Robert was the one to go for? Not a stuck up Posh boy name like Reginald (remember that kid in GX that Chazz duelled, start of Season 2?) Anyway the last I'll say on the matter. I'm still not buying into this whole 'all Numbers except Hope are EV-IL' thing. Just seems weird to me. Regarding Yuma summoning it all the time, I get why he didn't use Leviath against Obomi, because he wanted to use Wish Upon a Star (and I think its worth reminding people that Gagaga Girl doesn't have her level changing effect in the anime). And I understand Darkplant's comments about him not being thrilled with the idea given recent events. I dunno, the whole Numbers are EV-IL thing only came about ep 37-38, so maybe that's Konami's half-arsed justification they've thrown together after all these complaints about the Hope spam they've backed themselves into a corner with. He does still constantly mess up though, this duel against Rokujuro being a worse misplay than most. Just annyoing how he keeps going up and down in terms of skill so erratically. Nice observations about Shark and Kaito though. Edit: i.e. Darkplant's comments about card games over traditional dispensement of characters. Why do Bond's enemies never just shoot him and be done with it? They have to mess around with gold lasers and other elaborate traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I dont think Numbers are actually evil. I think some of them are opportunistic, whereas Black Mist also isn't evil, it's power-hungry, arrogant, and cunning, and holds the memory of destruction. It's the closest one to evil, though. Remember, Numbers amplify a person's desires, good or bad. Galaxy Queen taking on Fuya's mother after all, and manipulating him to be Robin and attack people for petty crimes isn't evil, just extreme. Number 17 made Shark feel invincible, an example of his power as a duelist. But since Shark's somewhat of a jerk then, it makes him seem more malicious. Ironically, Shark was LESS of a bastard when affected by Number 17. - Breaking Yuma's pendant for the hell of it, knowing it would cause him pain. - Taking people's Decks after insulting them to goad them into a duel. - Didn't he threaten to rip up Yuma's Deck after he won? *while possessed* - I'll never lose, so just give up! Yup, that's Shark being evil while possessed. Such an upgrade, isnt it? But Hope is blatantly the representation of hope, and is also Astral's main Number, the only one he kept when he came to this world. So while Number 96 is Astral's main enemy, Hope would be Astral's main ally. The other Numbers have no reason to be loyal to Astral, and the offer of sharing their power with Number 96, a fellow Number, and being free again would be better than being contained by beings who are immune to their powers, and keep them there. That's not evil, it's self-preserving. It's only evil because Astral is a "good guy". If Astral was evil, the Numbers' actions would be applauded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Another interesting thing I noticed is that, out of all the protagonists, Yuma is the only "normal" one. Yugi was Atem reincarnated, Jaden was that prince reincarnated, and Yusei was a signer. Yuma is just... A kid whose parents are explorers and found a magical item that was given to him. Yuma's nothing special, at all. Just a boy with a ghost tagging along. ... Odd how that's "normal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1329927160' post='5833813'] I dont think Numbers are actually evil. I think some of them are opportunistic, whereas Black Mist also isn't evil, it's power-hungry, arrogant, and cunning, and holds the memory of destruction. It's the closest one to evil, though. Remember, Numbers amplify a person's desires, good or bad.[/quote] That's what it was originally. And what I'd wish they'd stick too. As I said, around 37-38 Konami must have got so sick of 'why does Yuma never summon his other Numbers' all the time, they've just equivilantly turned around and said "Because! Okay?" Think Zexal being aimed at a younger market, kiddies want the familiarity of Hope as the all conquering saviour that no-one can mess with. Maybe that's why Konami do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 He's the most ordinary, relatively speaking, although Yugi was also close in that he was nothing special until the Millennium Puzzle got involved.[quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1329927744' post='5833825'] That's what it was originally. And what I'd wish they'd stick too. As I said, around 37-38 Konami must have got so sick of 'why does Yuma never summon his other Numbers' all the time, they've just equivilantly turned around and said "Because! Okay?" Think Zexal being aimed at a younger market, kiddies want the familiarity of Hope as the all conquering saviour that no-one can mess with. Maybe that's why Konami do it [/quote] No, it's because the writers are one-trick specialists. Which is almost sad, because ever since the series started, I've seen dozens of opportunities for the writers to have done something even slightly different that would get the fanbase off their back about the Hope fetish. Some ideas were more outlandish or trickier than others, but they invent the anime cards on the spot half the time. It shouldn't be hard to use another Number for once. Kaito dueled Yuma once (episode 13/14) and was already able to identify Hope as Astral's ace monster, even though Yuma also Summoned Number 17 in that duel, and he was fully aware Astral held about 10 Numbers. Evidently, all anime character's ace monster is the trump card they'll invariably Summon first in their duels. Thing is, it shouldn't be that simple. One of the hopes I had with Zexal was that due to the Number collecting, other Number monsters would get the spotlight. But they're too busy focusing on Hope. Granted, Hope is easy to Summon, has excellent ATK, and a good effect. But come on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Fastest yet, I swear. http://www.anime44.com/yu-gi-oh-zexal-episode-44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='Dragon Sage Ω' timestamp='1329942090' post='5834099'] Fastest yet, I swear. [url="http://www.anime44.com/yu-gi-oh-zexal-episode-44"]http://www.anime44.c...exal-episode-44[/url] [/quote] You're kidding its subbed? It's tempting... I have to do writing... and I wanted to finish my box set of 24 tonight... But that is tempting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Oh God, I died xD IV: I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL KILL Y- WAIT WHAT *Gone* xDAnd now the deck change to HC makes sense, due to losing to Yuma and HE IS MY PREYAlso... Getting the feeling that Heartland's gonna backstab Faker Speaking of FAKER [img]http://i43.tinypic.com/dfwu9t.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 The discussion on Shark and Kaito is making it even harder to decide which I like more Also, I like how Kaito's man enough to wear a pink shirt and suspenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Kaito > Shark. It's my birthday, so just accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDorago Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Kaito has a giant red dragon. Shark has fish. Guess who wins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1329950981' post='5834409'] Kaito > Shark. It's my birthday, so just accept it. [/quote]I'm actually in the middle of 43, so by the end I'll definitely agree with that. Also, happy birthday @Dorago:But he has a badass fish with a giant spear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDorago Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Which NGPD would eat. He's more badass than BRL and would also swallow the spear. Oh, and happy birthday Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Tico~ Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Because obv a big fish drake (Number 32) can overpower a dragon that sees Xyz monsters as light snacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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