evilfusion Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1315326924' post='5496421'] Kaito used his powers on Shark even though the latter didn't summon any Numbers so the Photon Hand can probably steal all Numbers that a person owns and it will be impossible to steal only Utopia. [/quote] I meant more that I hope that if any Numbers get lost (it's possible that the writers will only make a few Numbers be sacrificed, sparing Astral from death, and still make it a Kaito victory in some fashion), that the overused Number 39 is among them. [quote name='Bringerofcake' timestamp='1315334159' post='5496586'] Why did Kaito summon Number 30 in the first place? It's not like he was expecting Shark to take it from him, and we saw nothing that implied that he would swap it to Shark's field (at least to my memory, anyway). [/quote] Number 30 has 3000 ATK. He'd have 2 turns before it would start to hurt him, and it would be an overwhelming attack force at that stage in the duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Bringerofcake' timestamp='1315334159' post='5496586'] Why did Kaito summon Number 30 in the first place? It's not like he was expecting Shark to take it from him, and we saw nothing that implied that he would swap it to Shark's field (at least to my memory, anyway). [/quote] It was a logical thing for him to do. It's a 3000 beater that's really hard to kill, and he can tribute it for Galaxy-Eyes when it's out of materials. Oh, and the sequence of Shark setting his Disk and Gazer, and Kaito doing "Duel Mode! Photon Change!" was one of the most epic moments ever in Yugioh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 [quote name='- Junk Warrior -' timestamp='1315352336' post='5497301'] It was a logical thing for him to do. It's a 3000 beater that's really hard to kill, and he can tribute it for Galaxy-Eyes when it's out of materials. Oh, and the sequence of Shark setting his Disk and Gazer, and Kaito doing "Duel Mode! Photon Change!" was one of the most epic moments ever in Yugioh. [/quote] True. Yeah, I must say that Shark doing the "Duel Disk Set! D-Gazer Set!" is infinitely more epic than Yuma doing the same thing. And the way it synched with Duel Mode Photon Change was epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1315353967' post='5497344'] True. Yeah, I must say that Shark doing the "Duel Disk Set! D-Gazer Set!" is infinitely more epic than Yuma doing the same thing. And the way it synched with Duel Mode Photon Change was epic. [/quote] Somebody needs to make a gif of that so I can have it as my sig. Or at least a YouTube video of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I'm no good with that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 They both swarm Numbers, and Astral summons Chaos 39. It beats Galaxy Eyes. Kaito either activates some card that ends the duel in a draw so he doesn't lose, or does something that summons a stronger version of Galaxy Eyes. OR Astral somehow beats Galaxy Eyes, but Astral loses, but Kaito doesn't take his Numbers and decides that they settle this at the Duel Carnival, since Astral actually beat his ultimate card, and would be able to collect many Numbers at the Carnival as well. Then when they have a rematch, Astral and Yuma will have saved Kaito the trouble of hunting some Numbers, when he can just take them from Yuma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I just realized that No. 30 is the only non-LIGHT monster that Kaito has used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 [quote name='Okami - Shiranui' timestamp='1315355445' post='5497389'] I just realized that No. 30 is the only non-LIGHT monster that Kaito has used. [/quote] Huh, true. Of course, it's Water, because Shark got it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Something else just occurred to me about this episode. Granted, it was unnecessary at the time, but if Kaito/Orbital would have, I dunno, STOPPED TIME, they'd not only easily be able to grab the Emperor's Key, but also see that Shark had no Numbers. And this whole thing could have been avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Good point. But Kaito only uses it to identity Numbers holders, and he was already certain at the time that Shark was a Numbers holder, so he thought it unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Well, he already knew the Numbers holder at the mall. Stopping time was obviously to prevent interference, considering the situation. He also did it for Yuma not only to identify him, but Yuma was about to get hit by a truck. So yeah, time-stopping wasn't that necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 That action scene of Orbital 7 vs Shark was awesome, even though it lasted only a minute. Forget the card games, why can't we have THAT instead?! I guess the only reason Kaito spared Shark from Orbital 7 was because he thought he had a Numbers, so if he had been killed, the Numbers would have died with him. Yeah, so we should be grateful that Kaito thought Shark had a Numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 But why didn't Kaito double-check to make sure Shark even HAD a Number?!? Then Shark's soul wouldn't have gotten stolen for no reason!!! Also, I have a theory that the souls of the people taken by Photon Hand are used to control the garbage robots, which is why Obomi became sentient. She is actually the female Numbers holder, but with her soul inside of a trash robot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 [quote name='Manzo Ishikawa' timestamp='1315401825' post='5498082'] That action scene of Orbital 7 vs Shark was awesome, even though it lasted only a minute. Forget the card games, why can't we have THAT instead?! [/quote] Orbital 7 is the result of fusing Machina Peacekeeper with Drill Warrior. And it proved that Shark is a ninja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 [quote name='- Junk Warrior -' timestamp='1315427777' post='5498572'] And it proved that Shark [u]was[/u] a ninja. [/quote] saddest fix i've ever done ='[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1315428039' post='5498578'] saddest fix i've ever done ='[ [/quote] *cries* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 [quote name='Reina Soho' timestamp='1315419310' post='5498348'] But why didn't Kaito double-check to make sure Shark even HAD a Number?!? Then Shark's soul wouldn't have gotten stolen for no reason!!! Also, I have a theory that the souls of the people taken by Photon Hand are used to control the garbage robots, which is why Obomi became sentient. She is actually the female Numbers holder, but with her soul inside of a trash robot. [/quote] Yeah, I mentioned that Orbital could have done his stop-time trick, which would not only make the key easy pickings (since Shark would have frozen), but proved he didn't have a Number. Not a terrible theory. Also, Kaito probably spared Shark from Orbital because he's not the type to allow people to get hurt for no reason. He doesn't even like taking souls, but his Photon Hand does it anyway. Come to think of it, maybe Kaito taking Shark's soul and ONLY Shark's soul tipped him off (or will in the future) that the Photon Hand's primary purpose is NOT taking Numbers. It's taking souls. In episode 14, he explained that his method of extracting Numbers is admittedly excessive, and captures souls alongside Numbers. Maybe it's backwards: It captures Numbers alongside souls. In retrospect, I was dead-set on Shark being spared from Photon Hand because he didn't have a Number, but his shift in characterization should have forewarned us that he was a dead man walking. Any rival/antagonist that befriends the protagonist will invariably be destroyed by a more powerful antagonist. Ukyo remarking on Shark's shift in attitude should also have been a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1315434625' post='5498716'] Come to think of it, maybe Kaito taking Shark's soul and ONLY Shark's soul tipped him off (or will in the future) that the Photon Hand's primary purpose is NOT taking Numbers. It's taking souls. In episode 14, he explained that his method of extracting Numbers is admittedly excessive, and captures souls alongside Numbers. Maybe it's backwards: It captures Numbers alongside souls. [/quote] I can see that, considering Dr. Faker hates Astral and his race so much. It would also make since why when Kaito first dueled Yuma, Orbital said to extract every drop of his soul. If thats true, the Numbers are probably so he can basically so he can become almighty or something. Also did anyone esle notice they said "Zexal Power" or something, when Astral was alone with his Numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I heard Zexal, yeah. According to Wiki, Kaito didn't face Yuma because Orbital told him his Photon Change was low on power or something (no confirmation). If that's true, it may mean that the duel with Astral won't end in one of them losing their Numbers, but possibly an interrupted duel due to KAITO being unable to continue. After all, his D-Gazer eye is part of his Photon Change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1315443139' post='5498989'] I heard Zexal, yeah. According to Wiki, Kaito didn't face Yuma because Orbital told him his Photon Change was low on power or something (no confirmation). If that's true, it may mean that the duel with Astral won't end in one of them losing their Numbers, but possibly an interrupted duel due to KAITO being unable to continue. After all, his D-Gazer eye is part of his Photon Change. [/quote] I would hate for something like that to happen, but it would be interasting and funny is if it lost power just as Astral is about to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Well, if his Photon Change turns off, then he wouldn't be able to continue the duel since he can't see anything. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Well, possibly, but another possibility (in my eyes) and a slight theory, is that Kaito is unaffected by Numbers because he does the Photon Change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 . . . But then that wouldn't make sense since he carries them around everywhere, so he should have been taken over every time he's not in Photon mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 [quote name='Manzo Ishikawa' timestamp='1315462708' post='5499686']. . . But then that wouldn't make sense since he carries them around everywhere, so he should have been taken over every time he's not in Photon mode.[/quote] Similar to how Yuma's Numbers only appear when Astral is outside of The Emperor's Key, perhaps there's a similar rule applying to Kaito. For instance, perhaps he can control when his Numbers appear using his Photon Hand, or something similar. The Photon powers do seem to hold quite a bit of resilience against Numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Well, as far as we've seen, there are only two characters who appear [i]completely[/i] unaffected by the usual powers of Numbers. One is Yuma, who may have Astral playing a role in this. The other is Kaito, whose motive to collect all the Numbers for his brother should be easy prey for Number possession. There has to be some reason Kaito does his Photon Change, rather than use a real D-Gazer. His Photon Hand and Duel Anchor are technology-based and can be used when he's not in Duel Mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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