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O_O

I...guess Kaito takes souls just if he suspects they have a Number. He seemed visibly shocked that the soul he took didn't have one.

Such a good episode, but they did something weird with Galaxy-Eyes vs Acid Golem.

I thought Shark's Set card was something to reflect Acid Golem's damage, or otherwise get rid of it.

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I expected Kaito to return the soul when he realized Shark didnt have a Number. He doesn't seem to enjoy that part of the job, according to episode 13, and since he DIDNT give it back...I don't think he CAN. I don't think he knows or is capable of returning a soul captured by his Photon Hand, and he doesn't know what happens to them afterwards.

Obviously, Shark will come back somehow. This would be just too big a dick move to do otherwise. And besides, Yugioh pretty much never kills off characters.

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[quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1315262317' post='5494829']
I figured it was because Yuma and gang scared him/forced him to leave. I think he'll give it back after Astral wipes the floor with him.
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I dunno. He seemed pretty nonchalant about them showing up.

And I stil don't think Astral will win, purely because dropping a good 10-12 Numbers into the protagonists' lap is just horrible writing.

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[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1315262481' post='5494834']
Hilarious how Kaito has a short term memory, and forgot that Acid Golem was his [i]from the start[/i].
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Most likely, Kaito thought that Shark had a Numbers considering how he stole Kaito's Acid Golem. This fits with the whole "People possessed by Numbers" theory, and I could see how Kaito could mistake Shark for a Numbers holder, especially when he had had one already.

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[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1315262437' post='5494832']

I dunno. He seemed pretty nonchalant about them showing up.

And I stil don't think Astral will win, purely because dropping a good 10-12 Numbers into the protagonists' lap is just horrible writing.
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But then a giant plothole (or forced story) would happen because Astral should die. That's what makes his character interesting imo.

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A number (puns are fun) of thoughts on why Kaito may have suspected Shark had a Number.

1) He was very protective of the Emperor Key, which seems to have some sort of connection to Numbers, although details are sketchy about precisely what made Kaito hunt down the key (since I dont understand Japanese)

2) Shark swiftly identified Kaito as the "Numbers Hunter".

3) The whole thing with jumping on the opportunity to seize Kaito's Number, and being slightly possessed by it.

[quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1315262852' post='5494846']
But then a giant plothole (or forced story) would happen because Astral should die. That's what makes his character interesting imo.
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Astral dying if he loses a duel makes his character interesting?

In a way, yes. Because when Jin challenged Yuma, Astral noted that dueling is life to him, and it's foolish to duel someone he knows he cannot defeat. Also, he acknowledged shortly afterwards that Kaito scares the hell out of him. Seeing him duel Kaito should be epic purely because of that. He's been talked up as a massively skilled duelist who keeps his cool, can strategize, and is far superior to Yuma, yet can use Yuma's novice cards skillfully. This was shown with Number 96, too.

But that leaves a problem: If every duel is high-stakes, it becomes too obvious who will win/lose. Kaito is the same way. Kaito is supposed to be the main threat to Yuma and Astral, so he could not lose to Shark because while Shark is very good, it weakens his credibility as a threat. Numbers duels cannot end with Yuma/whoever losing because then Astral dies and the story ends.

So, when it comes down to Astral vs Kaito, both have incredibly high stakes in the duel. If Astral loses, he'll lose his Numbers and most likely die. If Kaito loses, he'll lose his Numbers and his entire threat credibility goes to hell, because let's face it, you're just not as big a threat anymore when you've already lost a duel, especially since one aspect of those characters is Astral is terrified of Kaito. Shark is a mild exception in that he actually did defeat Yuma (easily) in their rematch. But Shark stopped being an antagonist and is somewhat of a friend now.

Also, Kaito has at least 8 Numbers we haven't seen (he has at least 12, including Numbers 10, 20, 30, and 56). So if he loses and Astral gains his Numbers, it didn't give enough focus to those Numbers, and that's just anti-climactic, since there's no way that 8 Numbers are going to be shown this abruptly.

So we're looking at either a draw (cop-out way to do it), an interrupted duel (they already did this), or the result doesn't drastically change the status quo. One of them will lose and maybe only lose SOME of their Numbers. Personally, I'm hoping that Yuma/Astral loses Number 39.

New problem: The Numbers hold Astral's memory. Would he lose memory when his Numbers are lost? He seemed borderline about to die when Tokunoske stole Number 39 and Number 17. Maybe the whole "dying" thing has more to do with the fact Numbers wielders lose their Numbers and less that he actually dies.

But even if Astral loses all the Numbers but Number 39 (a sad possibility), that's just stupid because Yuma overuses that card to hell and it'd be fantastic if he played different ones.

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I agree with the high stakes thing, but without it the series would be a scavenger hunt with an otherworldly being. Yuma would then be less likely to take Astral's advice (or less believable) if he wasn't about to die.

Wasn't there a theory about a person only losing the Numbers they used during the duel? If that were true, then Kaito wouldn't lose his entire role.

Either way, the duel between them will be amazing and give a lackluster feeling. A shame really.

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[quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1315265924' post='5494977']
I agree with the high stakes thing, but without it the series would be a scavenger hunt with an otherworldly being. Yuma would then be less likely to take Astral's advice (or less believable) if he wasn't about to die.

Wasn't there a theory about a person only losing the Numbers they used during the duel? If that were true, then Kaito wouldn't lose his entire role.

Either way, the duel between them will be amazing and give a lackluster feeling. A shame really.
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The theory was because of Jin still having a Number after he lost. I disagree with the theory, because Jin had most likely taken that Number from a box he had kept some cards in. I think you lose the Numbers you have in your possession.

When Kaito dueled Yuma, and found out he had more than 1 Number, he remarked along the lines of "I'm going to take ALL your Numbers".

It's possible Kaito doesn't have all the Numbers on him at one time.

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[quote name='Father Wolf' timestamp='1315271652' post='5495285']
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ill just be leaving this here
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O_O HOLY CRAP. Asuka and Aki?! I didn't notice that.

I can see them losing just 39. And MABYE 17. It would be nice if Yuma used Galaxy Queen, Terror Byte, Shock Ruler, or some other Number for a change. My guess is we will see 1 or 2 of Kaito's other 8 Numbers, and that the duel ends in a draw. Also, do you think Kaito and Dr. Faker know about the whole Chaos Number thing?

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It might be like how Yusei spammed the entirety of the Signer Dragons. Astral's probably gonna spam all his Numbers on Kaito, and Kaito the same on Astral before summoning GALAXY-EYES and defeating all of Astral's Numbers one-by-one, Volcasaurus being the first.

Or maybe it's too early for that. I mean, it's still Season 1. Season 2's gonna be the Duel Carnival, and what happens afterward is unknown.

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After rewatching the episode with quality, it occured to me that Shark may have (uncertain, since I can't understand much Japanese) implied to Kaito that he had a Number. Shortly after Shark identified Kaito as the Number Hunter, Kaito made some sort of comment about Numbers, and Shark smirked when he replied. Kaito then challenged him to a duel.

This would further explain why Kaito took Shark's soul and then was startled to not find a Number: He genuinely believed Shark had one.

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