Jord200 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1314198020' post='5465639']So I finally returned to Janime after being gone for so long, and apparently a lot of people have theorized that Mr. Heartland is Kotori's father. Mr. Heartland seems to be able to produce wacky theories involving the best characters in this show. Yuma doesn't have many Level 5 monsters, so he can't use Freezerdon and/or Magmasaurus. There's no excuse for why he can't use the other Xyzs though. I'm expecting a duel where he shows off all his Xyzs.[/quote] The only thing Kotori and Mr. Heartland have in common though is green hair. :/ I know this is a longshot, since Astral would die if he lost to Kaito, but when Astral Duels Kaito, here's what I expect. Kaito summons a few new Numbers. Astral summons Number 39 Hope and mabye Number 17 Leviathin. Kaito summons Galaxy Eyes Photon Dragon. Astral summons Chaos Number 39. Kaito wins and takes Number 39 and Number 17 if it was used. Later, Yuma duels Kaito. Yuma uses Terror Byte and Galaxy Queen. Or some other Number(s) he's obtained. Yuma unlocks Number 17's Chaos form, beats Kaito, and gets Hope back somehow. Oh and know that I think of it, I hearing things about the duel between Kaito and Shark, though I don't know if its 100% true...... [spoiler=Duel] [spoiler=Duel] [spoiler=Duel] Shark loses. D: [/spoiler] [/spoiler] [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Well, now I've seen episodes 9 and 10, since some guy uploaded up to episode 12 on youtube. Unfortunately 11 and 12 have already been blocked. ...whoever gets the rights to ZeXal had better stream it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Astral and Kaito dueled, it begs a question of what would happen if Astral lost. First of all, Astral has all the Numbers and it's already been established that if he or his partner lose a Numbers duel, he disappears. This did not happen when he was possessed by Number 96, though. And without Numbers/Astral, how would Yuma be able to claim new Numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1314215990' post='5465991'] If Astral and Kaito dueled, it begs a question of what would happen if Astral lost. First of all, Astral has all the Numbers and it's already been established that if he or his partner lose a Numbers duel, he disappears. This did not happen when he was possessed by Number 96, though. And without Numbers/Astral, how would Yuma be able to claim new Numbers? [/quote] He probably wouldn't able to get more Numbers if Astral were to disapear. However, even is Astral were to lose to Kaito, he would most likely only lose the Number(s) he used. Like how Jin had 3 Numbers, but since he only used 2 of them, he only lost 2 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Jin was an interesting case. He evidently didn't have his third Number ON him at the time, but instead inside a box or something. He owned it, it just wasn't in his Extra Deck. Since Yuma only has the Numbers when Astral's with him (episode 3 and 10 both pointed this out), if Astral lost in a Numbers duel, he'd lose all the Numbers because no one else could possibly have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Good point. Didn't think of that. Its hard to say what would happen then. There's just 1wonder. Does Astral have his own deck or would he just use Yuma's deck? Now that I think of it, if Jin was the orginal owner of both Big Eye and his unkown Number, then its possible Yuma might find a new Number, if he does lose all 10 of his Numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 While I think it'd be awesome for Astral to lose and for Yuma to have to get more Numbers on his own (particularly since other Numbers holders seek out more Numbers), I dont know what would happen to Astral himself, and that's where it gets sketchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1314201440' post='5465708']The only thing Kotori and Mr. Heartland have in common though is green hair. :/[/quote] That's exactly why people think he's her father. Hairstyle is ridiculous in this show, and Kotori and Mr. Heartland share shades of green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1314221217' post='5466195'] That's exactly why people think he's her father. Hairstyle is ridiculous in this show, and Kotori and Mr. Heartland share shades of green. [/quote] True, but wouldn't Kotori's last name be Heartland? I mean her parents could be divorced, but thats kind of unlikely in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Heartland is the city's name. It seems odd that the mayor's name is "Heartland". It's possible Dr. Faker just calls him Mr. Heartland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1314165130' post='5465282'] That's exactly what I was thinking about Kaito. But seriously, exploiting an older sibling's love for their younger brother, and being manipulated by a man voiced by Jurota Kosugi? That doesn't remind me of anyone. Not at all. Kaito is definitely an interesting rival character, and I'm glad that they established him as sympathetic as soon as they did. The WCD plot kind of bugs me because the WRGP is way too fresh in everyone's mind. I'm sure it won't be a bad arc, but it just feels way too soon for the franchise to have another tournament arc. I'm glad to see someone agrees with me about Akari. I know Akari is meant to come off as an overprotective sister, but first impressions show her as being needlessly tyrannical, although apparently recent episodes have explained that, but nearly twenty episodes in is a bit too long. As for her harping on Yuma, when she showed up in episode 16, Yuma was [i]terrified[/i] of her, practically afraid for his life, and you know what? I actually felt that it was a realistic reaction rather than one that was simply exaggerated. From what I've seen, [i]no one[/i] likes Yuma, but Akari seems to be fine, even though I think that Yuma simply acts the way he does as form of rebellion, and that wouldn't be necessary if Akari wasn't so controlling. Akari made Yuma the way he is, and that makes Yuma surprisingly sympathetic, and I think that makes Akari my least favorite character in the show. With Dr. Faker and Mr. Heartland, you're supposed to hate them because they're evil. Akari has managed to be more intolerable than either of them, which is never a good thing. Please tell me that there's a decent explanation for Akari's attitude. [b]I hated on Crow a lot during 5D's, but he didn't deserve that because he was a genuinely good guy and he deserved to be a Signer.[/b] There's nothing about Akari that's remotely likable. At all. [/quote] That may be true, but he didn't have to be a Signer. Given his Dark-themed deck, it didn't make sense for him to have the orange dragon, and Blackwing Armor Master was a plenty awesome trump card. He was one of my favorite characters until they made him a Signer and gave him Black-Winged. Anyway, PREDICTION TIEM -Shark loses to Kaito -Astal loses to Kaito -Shark gives Yuma Black Ray Lancer to duel Kaito -Yuma wins ...but IDK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 I can see Shark losing to Kaito. Astral losing to Kaito would be cool, but it draws too many questions as to what will happen from there. It's the problem with a lot of high-stakes duels. If the protagonist loses, something horrible happens that would essentially ruin the plot. Black Ray Lancer is useless to Yuma. He doesn't run Water monsters. Then again, anime Black Ray doesn't need Waters, since Shark used Skull Kraken (a DARK). I don't see Shark giving up one of his Xyz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1314227284' post='5466462'] I can see Shark losing to Kaito. Astral losing to Kaito would be cool, but it draws too many questions as to what will happen from there. It's the problem with a lot of high-stakes duels. If the protagonist loses, something horrible happens that would essentially ruin the plot. Black Ray Lancer is useless to Yuma. He doesn't run Water monsters. Then again, anime Black Ray doesn't need Waters, since Shark used Skull Kraken (a DARK). I don't see Shark giving up one of his Xyz. [/quote] Really, I'm just hoping. Because I want Black Ray Lancer to kick ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Black Ray Lancer will continue to kick ass, so long as Shark continues to own it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1314227533' post='5466474'] Black Ray Lancer will continue to kick ass, so long as Shark continues to own it. [/quote] True, but Shark won't beat Kaito, and Yuma might. So yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 I can't see Shark giving Yuma a card, but I can see Yuma getting some sort of new Xyz should Astral and Shark both lose. There is 1 possible outcome we havn't considered. We already had a "Duel cancelled" moment, so I don't they would do that again this soon. If Astral loses, he'll most likely disapear and Yuma will lose his Numbers. If Astral wins, Kaito may have a moment similar to what happened to Plaicido in 5ds ( being defeated and coming back stronger/crazier ), Yuma and Astral may get as many as 12 new Numbers in 1 episode ( which seems like a bit much if you ask me ), or Dr. Faker may just decide he has no further use for Kaito ( I shouldn't need to explain the effects of this one ). However, what if the duel ends in a draw? Technically, wouldn't both get to keep their Numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1314222103' post='5466224']True, but wouldn't Kotori's last name be Heartland? I mean her parents could be divorced, but thats kind of unlikely in my books.[/quote] Joey and Serenity's parents were divorced, remember? Then again, Zexal doesn't seem like it's going to bother with mature themes such as that. Instead it prefers kid stuff like using a small child as a battery for a megalomaniac's scheme, driving said child to the brink of insanity. Wait... Mr. Heartland could be a pseudonym, or he's simply a disappeared dad. I doubt that we'll ever hear about him Kotori's dad, but it's just a funny theory, like Sly being Divine's son. Naturally, Yoshida just likes to troll me by making us suspect that (someone with the same seiyu as) an awesome villain is some kid's father. CURSE YOU, YOSHIDAAAAAAAA! [quote name='- Junk Warrior -' timestamp='1314227010' post='5466453'] That may be true, but he didn't have to be a Signer. Given his Dark-themed deck, it didn't make sense for him to have the orange dragon, and Blackwing Armor Master was a plenty awesome trump card. He was one of my favorite characters until they made him a Signer and gave him Black-Winged. [/quote] The Dark Signer arc just fell apart halfway through its run, especially because of the hints that pointed to Rua becoming a Signer, and then Crow showed up out of [i]nowhere[/i] and delayed Rua's Signerdom for nearly a hundred episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 [quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1314230535' post='5466605'] Joey and Serenity's parents were divorced, remember? Then again, Zexal doesn't seem like it's going to bother with mature themes such as that. Instead it prefers kid stuff like using a small child as a battery for a megalomaniac's scheme, driving said child to the brink of insanity. Wait... Mr. Heartland could be a pseudonym, or he's simply a disappeared dad. I doubt that we'll ever hear about him Kotori's dad, but it's just a funny theory, like Sly being Divine's son. Naturally, Yoshida just likes to troll me by making us suspect that (someone with the same seiyu as) an awesome villain is some kid's father. CURSE YOU, YOSHIDAAAAAAAA! The Dark Signer arc just fell apart halfway through its run, especially because of the hints that pointed to Rua becoming a Signer, and then Crow showed up out of [i]nowhere[/i] and delayed Rua's Signerdom for nearly a hundred episodes. [/quote] True. But Crow is awesome. Except the writers f***ed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1314230175' post='5466587'] I can't see Shark giving Yuma a card, but I can see Yuma getting some sort of new Xyz should Astral and Shark both lose. There is 1 possible outcome we havn't considered. We already had a "Duel cancelled" moment, so I don't they would do that again this soon. If Astral loses, he'll most likely disapear and Yuma will lose his Numbers. If Astral wins, Kaito may have a moment similar to what happened to Plaicido in 5ds ( being defeated and coming back stronger/crazier ), Yuma and Astral may get as many as 12 new Numbers in 1 episode ( which seems like a bit much if you ask me ), or Dr. Faker may just decide he has no further use for Kaito ( I shouldn't need to explain the effects of this one ). However, what if the duel ends in a draw? Technically, wouldn't both get to keep their Numbers? [/quote] That's the other thing. There is no way in hell they're going to just drop 12 new Numbers into Yuma and Astral's hands. Kaito is obviously going to remain a formidable adversary for a long time. He just showed up in episode 13 and was shown to be vastly better than them. They're not going to defeat him 10 episodes later without vastly improving themselves. My bet is they wont beat Kaito until the Duel Carnival, which hasn't actually started yet. I hope they don't pull another draw/interrupted duel again, because it becomes more jarring the more they rely on it. The first time wasn;t even handled that well, and the only logical reason I can think for Kaito to not finish his attack, brother or not, is because he WANTS a rival Number Hunter. He did seem quite happy to see that Yuma had more than 1 Number, and even dubbed him as another "Numbers Hunter". By letting Yuma do his own thing, all he has to do is defeat Yuma later (and he already knows who he is), and he'll grab all of Yuma's Numbers too. Another thing is that if Astral claimed all of Kaito's Numbers, that's an insane amount of memory to regain for this premise, and also Yu-Gi-Oh likes to showcase new cards, especially Numbers. Dropping too many at once will just tick people off by not showing them, and by taking forever to release them, because they'll never release about 10 new Numbers all at once. We're too early in the series to consider Kaito losing his Numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 [quote name='- Junk Warrior -' timestamp='1314231462' post='5466653'] True. But Crow is awesome. Except the writers f***ed him. [/quote] This is a matter better suited for the 5D's thread. Oh, and here's a fic about Kotori as Mr. Heartland's daughter. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7209371/1/Mask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Tbh, what it would seem like is when Kaito has 50 numbers and Yuma has 50 numbers, thats when Kaito would want to defeat Yuma Defeating Yuma now would be stupid, since obviously 2 Number Hunters are better than 1 Also inb4 Number: 0 and Number: 100 being God Xyz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Although Kaito might be smarter than that. He might want to defeat Yuma and take his Numbers BEFORE Yuma matches him in Numbers. He did note that Yuma has decent tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 [spoiler=Guys] Shark will lose against Kaito. Confrimed information. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 [quote name='Noel Vermillion' timestamp='1314295388' post='5468032'] [spoiler=Guys] Shark will lose against Kaito. Confrimed information. [/spoiler] [/quote] That's obvious. I expected that much because Kaito is supposed to maintain a threat level to Yuma and Astral. They're not going to have him lose randomly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 We knew that would happen. My question is does Kaito take Shark's soul or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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