More than 3 characters Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Yuma. Summoned. Big Eye. All your arguments are invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Yuma. Summoned. Big Eye. All your arguments are invalid. And it was beautiful. This Duel has actually been pretty good. Not counting the cards used to Summon the C10X, it's been pretty awesome. Yuma's strategy seems hard-focused on the Gagaga monsters, and he Summoned No.11! And then No.39 later, but still. So why is Nasch dueling Yuma? There's no point anymore. From what I understand (from previews/etc), Nasch is still tied to the Barian World. From his past memories, his soldiers and comrades went to the Barian World. His motivations are the same as they were when he first found out he was a Barian: He is compelled to protect the Barian World. Astral is a threat to the Barian World, and the Barian World is a threat to the Astral World. Don Thousand is just one component. This war between the two worlds was going on long before Don Thousand was revived. Vector and Don Thousand just changed the focus by betraying the other lords, forcing Nasch to team up with Yuma/Astral to take out Don Thousand, who was an active threat to both Nasch AND the Astral World. The Numbers are divided among Yuma and Nasch. They must Duel to protect their respective worlds. The winner will gain all the Numbers and the Numeron Code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More than 3 characters Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 One thing I can give to Zexal is that they actually made it so that defeating the big bad guy doesn't immediately solve every problem they have. Also, having Nasch be the final villain to be dueled is fitting considering Shark was also the first villain that Yuma dueled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 And it was beautiful. This Duel has actually been pretty good. Not counting the cards used to Summon the C10X, it's been pretty awesome. Yuma's strategy seems hard-focused on the Gagaga monsters, and he Summoned No.11! And then No.39 later, but still. From what I understand (from previews/etc), Nasch is still tied to the Barian World. From his past memories, his soldiers and comrades went to the Barian World. His motivations are the same as they were when he first found out he was a Barian: He is compelled to protect the Barian World. Astral is a threat to the Barian World, and the Barian World is a threat to the Astral World. Don Thousand is just one component. This war between the two worlds was going on long before Don Thousand was revived. Vector and Don Thousand just changed the focus by betraying the other lords, forcing Nasch to team up with Yuma/Astral to take out Don Thousand, who was an active threat to both Nasch AND the Astral World. The Numbers are divided among Yuma and Nasch. They must Duel to protect their respective worlds. The winner will gain all the Numbers and the Numeron Code. But can't they protect both worlds with the Numeron Code? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 But can't they protect both worlds with the Numeron Code? They could if it didn't require trusting someone who, at last glance, is actively trying to destroy you and your world. Yuma is willing to trust other people. Astral and the Barians have good reason NOT to be that trusting. Despite being backstabbed multiple times, Yuma still trusts people. This is his greatest character strength, but also an incredible flaw. This was part of the entire subplot of Vector being Shingetsu and the aftermath of that reveal. If it weren't for the discovery of the Legendary Number vs Over-Hundred connection, it is possible that all the Barian lords would still be enemies. Alito even acknowledged that despite everything, he still feels Yuma/Astral is an enemy because it's his duty to protect the Barian World. Don Thousand was just a more pressing problem. I have a hunch that CXyz Barian King of Wishes is going to have an effect like "detach 1 Material and activate that Material's monster effect", and is made using the Over-Hundred Numbers as Material somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More than 3 characters Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Either King of Wishes Barian will have a special summoning condition or Nasch will use a Spell Card to treat the Number C10X as Xyz Materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I wonder what that Rank will be. As for the Summoning method, I don't really find it too troublesome to think that it's a collective CXyz the way it was done in ZeXal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Either King of Wishes Barian will have a special summoning condition or Nasch will use a Spell Card to treat the Number C10X as Xyz Materials. Well, let's see... Nasch started with 6 cards in hand. He played the search Spell, discarding a monster (hand count 4) to grab The Seventh One (hand count 5), and used it. (hand count 4). He then played Doppel Shark, and a Spell to protect them. (Hand count 2). He set 2 cards. (hand count 0) Yuma did stuff, and Nasch used one of his Traps to bring out C102 and C103. Nasch's turn (hand count 1), he attacked both of Yuma's monsters, and Set a card. (hand count 0) Yuma did stuff. Nasch used a Trap to revive his C10X, and SS C10Xs to Yuma's Field. Nasch's turn (hand count 1). He used the drawn card to Summon C107. (hand count 0) So odds are, that Trap card he still has Set will be used to Summon the CXyz, or he'll do it in his next turn, but I find it unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Well, let's see... Nasch started with 6 cards in hand. He played the search Spell, discarding a monster (hand count 4) to grab The Seventh One (hand count 5), and used it. (hand count 4). He then played Doppel Shark, and a Spell to protect them. (Hand count 2). He set 2 cards. (hand count 0) Yuma did stuff, and Nasch used one of his Traps to bring out C102 and C103. Nasch's turn (hand count 1), he attacked both of Yuma's monsters, and Set a card. (hand count 0) Yuma did stuff. Nasch used a Trap to revive his C10X, and SS C10Xs to Yuma's Field. Nasch's turn (hand count 1). He used the drawn card to Summon C107. (hand count 0) So odds are, that Trap card he still has Set will be used to Summon the CXyz, or he'll do it in his next turn, but I find it unlikely. although in the preview show that monster and he still have that f/d card too (new or old). if anything, that monster probably have an alternative Summoning condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Well evilfusion's theory was spot on, even though it was obvious. If Numeronnius Numeronia did not have the clause that if your opponent did not attack then they lose then its effect to negate an incoming attack was completely pointless and adds more BS as a cherry on top of his previous BS. Yuma could have negated his own attack since I haven't seen that additional effect on the wiki, but meh. Great job Nasch Yuma and ghost of Kaito. But it's sort of strange how after Don Thousand was defeated he just disappears altogether with no after statement...he just gave the Numbers to Nasch and trusted him to as he says. I mean Nasch was straightforward in trying to fight for his brethren by having revenge against Don Thousand, and immediately he turns on Yuma as if nothing happened. If my hunch is right, I believe that now Don Thousand is gone, Nasch has a one-way ticket for the Numeron Code left by Don Thousand, and using that power he will use the Numeron Code as he wishes to repair the Barian World with the sacrifice of other worlds to complete his goal. Right now he can't turn back, and with the memories of his past including relationships with Merag and Durbe, a leader must be a leader. But I find it strange how Yuma's trust and friendship allowed the Barians to come to their senses and establish some friendship between them, yet Nasch is using it all against Yuma to avenge them all...Does he want to show Yuma a good reason for saying that he's been stuck in this path now and he chooses to support the Barian World 100% so that Yuma must step down? I pretty much fangasmed when Yuma summoned Big Eye and when Tron was previewed for the next episode. But Nasch's strategies are way too reliable on Yuma's strategies. The first trap he played when Dark Knight allowed him to summon exactly Ragna Infinity and Noble Demon with a Number C attacked him (well he could have had a different C Number to attack but Yuma doesn't really seem that reluctant to Rank Up Utopia right away). And the second one relied on if a 10x number he controlled was popped so he could spam 10x numbers anywhere. This concludes that Barians with a flip of a card can now shortcut multiple Xyz Summons without wasting resources and Nasch relies on that now, which is pretty cheap and too convenient. And a minor thing is that when he summoned Gardna he could have switched to DEF position to avoid damage but likely the writers wanted the LP balances to be correct or Yuma didn't want to waste a perfect card to discard to keep Gardna on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Fact that Yuma used Big Eye reminds me of my "Yuma uses Armored Xyz to win" theory. Though Revise would be more appropriate, I don't give a flying crap, because Yuma used a new Number, and one of his best ones at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Fact that Yuma used Big Eye reminds me of my "Yuma uses Armored Xyz to win" theory. Though Revise would be more appropriate, I don't give a flying crap, because Yuma used a new Number, and one of his best ones at that. I forgot to state that he could have used that against Nasch if he had Abyss-Splash out to counter against Dark Knight. That would be amazing to see Big Eye facilitate something plot-essential, but I guess Yuma was just playing into Nasch's hands too easy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Considering that Nasch's first strategy was to drop C101 and Doppel Shark, then use a Spell that prevents either of them from being attacked, destroyed by effects, or banished, and allows C101 to attack directly, there is pretty much only surefire out: Take control of C101. If Yuma can't, Nasch gets an advantage. If Yuma does, Nasch gets an advantage. Gardna in the anime can't switch to DEF. It's Summoned in ATK. Ganbara Knight has the effect to switch to DEF. Gardna discards a card to prevent destruction. Tron was previewed for next episode? Where? I didn't see that. Edit: Nevermind, found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Considering that Nasch's first strategy was to drop C101 and Doppel Shark, then use a Spell that prevents either of them from being attacked, destroyed by effects, or banished, and allows C101 to attack directly, there is pretty much only surefire out: Take control of C101. If Yuma can't, Nasch gets an advantage. If Yuma does, Nasch gets an advantage. Gardna in the anime can't switch to DEF. It's Summoned in ATK. Ganbara Knight has the effect to switch to DEF. Gardna discards a card to prevent destruction. Tron was previewed for next episode? Where? I didn't see that. Edit: Nevermind, found it. Well in reality if Nasch relied on that strategy then that wouldn't be such a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Tron was previewed for next episode? Where? I didn't see that. Edit: Nevermind, found it. I wonder what he could possibly contribute at this stage, short of giving Yuma advice or giving him a card or powers in the middle of the Duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'm not sure what he could do, either. They've been hinting at him reappearing for ages, but to show up only now... Then again, Tron is a crucial factor in the history of the war and characters. He was trapped in the Barian World, and saved by the Barians and given powers to get revenge and fight against the Astral World. He used Shark in his plans, and when Yuma defeated him, he realized the errors of his intentions, and his sons now sacrificed their lives to protect and assist Yuma against the Barians. Now, Shark is Nasch, the last of the Barian enemies, and the current Duel is the deciding fight for both the Barian and Astral Worlds. But maybe Tron has No.18/36? Unlikely, and I doubt he'd try to join the Duel anyway. But he's clearly got SOME purpose in returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Here's all that dialogue between Nasch and Yuma from Ark: Yuma: こ ここは…。 (Th... that's...) Yuma: アストラル 向こう側にある世界って まさか…。 (Astral, that world over there... it can't be...) Yuma: アストラル世界！？ (The Astral World!?) Astral: なぜ アストラル世界が？ (Why is the Astral World...?) Yuma: こっちには俺たちの世界が！ (And Earth's over there!) Yuma: しかも バリアン世界と また融合しちまってる。 (But it's still fused with the Barian World n' stuff!) Yuma: どうして？ (What's goin' on?) Yuma: 世界は救われたんじゃ…。 (I thought we saved the world...) Nasch: いいや。 地上は完全に バリアン世界と融合した。 (No. Earth and the Barian World are completely merged.) Nasch: ここは その世界と アストラル世界をつなぐ場所。 (This is a place between that world and the Astral World.) Yuma: シャーク。 (Shark.) Nasch: 今 ２つの世界は引き合っている。 (Right now, the two worlds are pulling against each other.) Nasch: このまま放っておけば やがて２つの世界はぶつかり アストラル世界は滅びるだろう。 (If things keep going, the two worlds will collide and the Astral World will be destroyed.) Yuma: な なんでだよ？ (I dun geddit, why?) Yuma: ドン・サウザンドは倒したってのに。 (We beat Don Thousand after all.) Yuma: それにお前！？ (And you?!) Astral: シャーク まさかキミは…。 (Shark, it can't be... you...) Nasch: ああ 俺がドン・サウザンドの力を 受け継いだからだ。 (Yeah. It's because I absorbed Don Thousand's power.) Yuma: そ そんな どうして？ (Wh... why would you do that?) Kotori: ドン・サウザンドは 私たちの敵だったはずでしょ？ (Don Thousand was our enemy, right?) Nasch: 忘れたのか？ 俺はバリアンの戦士。 (Have you forgotten? I'm a Barian Warrior.) Nasch: お前らの敵だ。 (Your enemy.) Nasch: すべての宇宙の魂が ランクアップを目指して作られたのが アストラル世界。 (The Astral World was created by all the souls throughout the entire universe that desired to Rank Up.) Nasch: だが その過程で出来の悪いものが 切り捨てられてゆく。 (But in trying to do so, they threw away all the 'bad' about them.) Nasch: それがカオスであり その力が バリアン世界を大きくしていった。 (What they threw away was "Chaos", and that made the Barian World expand.) Nasch: いわば 俺たちの世界は 落ちこぼれの集まりさ。 (To be blunt, my world is basically made up of their table scraps.) Nasch: だがよ 俺はバリアン世界を 見捨てることはできねえ。 (But, I cannot abandon the Barian World.) Nasch: あの世界にも 俺の仲間がいる。 (All my other friends are in that world.) Nasch: かけがえのない仲間が。 (Friends that can never be replaced.) Yuma: シャーク！ (Shark!) Yuma: だからって 俺たちが！ (Even so, we...!) Nasch: 遊馬！ (Yuma!) Nasch: アストラルの使命 それは ヌメロン・コードを使い バリアン世界を消滅させること。 (Astral's mission is to use the Numeron Code and extinguish the Barian World.) Yuma: だけど ２つの世界が一緒に 生き残る道だって きっと！ (But I'm sure both worlds can just coexist n' stuff!) Nasch: それは ありえねえ！ (That's impossible!) Astral: ２つの世界が一緒になれば 力の弱くなったアストラル世界は 消滅するであろう。 (The Astral World has become so weak that if both worlds become one, it'll complete disappear.) Nasch: 俺たちには もうどちらかが 生き残る道しか残されてねえんだ。 (We can only travel down one path or another, where one world or the other survives.) Yuma: なあ シャーク！ (Hey, Shark!) Yuma: 俺たちは こんな決着のために ずっと戦ってきたのかよ？ (Did we fight all this time for everything ta end like this?) Nasch: これが 俺たちの宿命。 (This is our fate.) Yuma: 俺は こんなこと認めねえ！ (I refuse ta let it be that way!) Yuma: 俺は 俺とお前とみんな きっと いつか わかりあえるって信じてたから！ ('cuz I believe me, you, and everyone can learn to understand one 'nother n' stuff!) Yuma: そうだよ！ お前は まだ ドン・サウザンドの呪いが 解けてねえだけなんだ！ (Oh yeah! You still haven't broken free of Don Thousand's spell!) Nasch: 確かに ヤツの呪いかもしれない。 (It might be his curse...) Nasch: だが この呪いは 絶対解けない！ (But, that spell can never be completely broken!) Nasch: ドン・サウザンドは 七皇の人生に干渉し その記憶を改ざんした。 (Don Thousand interfered with the lives of the other Seven Emperors and altered their memories.) Nasch: だが 俺には何もしなかった。 (But he didn't do anything to me.) Nasch: それは 俺に関わる人間を操作して 俺を俺自身の意志でバリアンの道を 歩むようにしむけたからだ。 (That's because I chose to be a Barian of my own choice, because of the people close to me.) Yuma: 自分の意志で？ (Your own choice.) Nasch: 俺が自分の意志で選んだ道なら 俺は絶対に その道を突き進む。 (If I choose a path, Yuma, I charge down that path no matter what.) Nasch: たとえ お前たちとの友情が 立ちはだかろうと 決して バリアンを見捨てない！ (Even though I'm friends with you guiys, if you stand in my path, I still won't throw away the other Barians!) Nasch: ヤツが言った本当の呪い それは 俺の存在そのものなんだよ。 (The true curse that guy was talking about is my very existence.) Yuma: そ そんな！ (Th... that's...!) Nasch: お前の友 シャークこと神代凌牙は 俺がバリアンとして生きることを 決めたときに死んだ！ (When I decided to be a Barian, your friend, Shark... Kamishiro Ryouga, died!) Nasch: さあ 今こそ決着をつけるとき！ (Now, let's settle things once and for all!) Nasch: デュエルだ！ (Let's Duel!) Yuma: シャ シャーク！ (Sha... Shark!) Nasch: 遊馬 デュエルだ！ (Yuma, let'sDuel!) Yuma: アストラル！ (Astral!) Astral: 見つけ出すんだ！ (Let's find out!) Astral: デュエルの中で キミが求めている答えを。 (The answer you seek is going to be in this Duel.) Yuma: アストラル…。 (Astral....) Astral: 我々は いつでもそうしてきたはず。 (That's how we've done it before.) Yuma: わかった！ やってやる！ (Got it! Let's do it!) Nasch: いくぞ！ 遊馬 アストラル！ (Here we go, Yuma, Astral!) Yuma: おう！ デュエルディスク セット！ (Yeah! Duel Disk, Set!) Nasch: うお～っ！ (UWAAAH!) Yuma: Ｄゲイザー セット！ (D-Gazer, Set!) Yuma, Nasch, Astral: デュエル！ (DUEL!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More than 3 characters Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I wonder what the dub will do with the name of "CXyz King of Wishes, Barian", since it's similar to Number 39 but with CXyz and Barian added and a subtle difference in the King of Wishes part as well. Maybe they'll just call it "CXyz Dystopia" or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Interesting. So Nasch didn't have his memories altered by Don Thousand? Or...at least not that he knows of. He does have a connection to the Legendary Number 73, and the Barian World originally expanded because of his Shadow Game with past!Vector. However, how he came across his Over-Hundred Number has not been explained. Don Thousand explicitly said he gave Merag and Durbe their Over-Hundreds. But it's unclear when he did it to Merag relative to her self-sacrifice. It had recently occurred to me that I had it backwards in a previous musing about the Over-Hundred Numbers. Previously, I said that No.107 is probably the most powerfully cursed Over-Hundred, as Mizael still refused to accept the memories he regained until after the Duel, instead insisting on using Tachyon Dragon throughout. Also, in the past scene, Don Thousand's Shaman form isn't as "blatantly" evil-looking as Don Thousand's Reaper form, so I said Don Thousand was probably at his most powerful. And he probably was, but I had implied he was gaining power at that point. The backwards part is I assumed No.107 was the LAST of the Over-Hundreds made. I actually think it's vice versa now. No.107 is the first Over-Hundred created, and No.101 is the last. When Don Thousand brainwashed/manipulated people to kill Mizael and his dragon, Don Thousand's shaman form was realistically human, and Thousand himself appeared powerful and larger. In other flashbacks, Don Thousand is in his Reaper form, which is more blatantly evil looking. This (shouldn't) can't be coincidence. The fact No.107 is a Rank 8 also suggests that Don Thousand may have over-saturated No.107 with power, since all the other Over-Hundreds are Rank 4. The timeframe has also been extremely vague. Gilag and Alito have no direct link to any of the other Barian lords, and they're No.106 and 105, respectively. Don Thousand appeared to them both in Reaper form, and presumably had them killed, Alito killed by proxy. We know Vector received No.104 and was driven insane. Nasch's memories show Vector is already crazy by the time they meet. So No.104 was received before then. The most recent clue now was the Duel with Don Thousand, where he showed very brief flashbacks of giving Durbe and Merag their Over-Hundreds. Merag's scene is very vague, but we know she's alive when it happens. Durbe's scene shows him with 3 brainwashed allies (his legend mentions this incident), so he's about to die. Merag died before Durbe did...and Merag has No.103. She received her Over-Hundred BEFORE Durbe did, and AFTER Vector did. If Don Thousand truly didn't alter Nasch's memories, and Nasch embraced the Barian World of his own will, then he probably would have received No.101 at that time, which is probably AFTER Durbe's death. So Nasch would have received No.101 last. As such, it seems that the Over-Hundreds were distributed in reverse order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More than 3 characters Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 The question is why was Tachyon Dragon a "wild" monster spirit until Mizael captured it before barging in near the beginning of Zexal II, whereas the other ones already seemed to be cards beforehand (Alito stated to have a Chaos monster on him at one point during his first mission to the human world, and most likely Gilag had Giant Hand on him throughout his mission). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 The question is why was Tachyon Dragon a "wild" monster spirit until Mizael captured it before barging in near the beginning of Zexal II, whereas the other ones already seemed to be cards beforehand (Alito stated to have a Chaos monster on him at one point during his first mission to the human world, and most likely Gilag had Giant Hand on him throughout his mission). My hunch is it's because of Numeron Dragon. The two Galaxy-Eyes monsters were created on the moon by Numeron Dragon's tear. One of them was the Astral World counterpart (No.62), the other was the Barian World counterpart (No.107). The Earth counterpart was probably No.46, tamed by Mizael. All 3 of them were needed for No.100 to appear. Mizael noted in that conversation with Kaito that the Numeron Code was originally the Barians'. No.107 was a real dragon that Mizael could use as a card. The card itself was given to Mizael. Whereas we did see Giant Hand as a complete card when Reaper!Thousand gave it to Gilag, Mizael's could have been blank and he met the dragon upon his reincarnation and managed to tame it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 My hunch is it's because of Numeron Dragon. The two Galaxy-Eyes monsters were created on the moon by Numeron Dragon's tear. One of them was the Astral World counterpart (No.62), the other was the Barian World counterpart (No.107). The Earth counterpart was probably No.46, tamed by Mizael. All 3 of them were needed for No.100 to appear. Mizael noted in that conversation with Kaito that the Numeron Code was originally the Barians'. No.107 was a real dragon that Mizael could use as a card. The card itself was given to Mizael. Whereas we did see Giant Hand as a complete card when Reaper!Thousand gave it to Gilag, Mizael's could have been blank and he met the dragon upon his reincarnation and managed to tame it. To summarize, Prime Photon, 46, Tachyon, and Numeron Dragon = Legendary Trio of YGO + Arceus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Subs are up to the end of the Mizael vs Kaito Duel. *sniff* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zextra Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Subs are up to the end of the Mizael vs Kaito Duel. *sniff* Where? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Dailymotion .Yami no yami's account. http://www.dailymotion.com/Yami_no_Yami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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