evilfusion Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yeah, and Shark has a really impressive deck by anime standards. Ark Knight MST Monster Reborn Aero Shark ( With its MUCH better anime effect ) Black Ray Lancer ( Generic in the anime ) I THINK he used TT at one point. Posidon Wave ( 800 per monster is a lot when you are only starting with 4000 Life Points ) Xyz Gift ( Anime effect ) Book of Moon ( I looked on the wiki for all of these. ) He can swarm monsters, and create combos out of them, using things like Needle Sunfish. Shark is an extremely strong Duelist. He really is. But I think anime Poseidon Wave is just 800 set burn if you control a WATER at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Even though Don Thousand has the most silliest cheating cards, Z-ONE is likely to be the winner of a duel between him and Don Thousand if he plays his cards correct. Unlike Don Thousand, Z-ONE gives no f***s about huge ATK power and intimidation to dominate. His Timelords are invincible to the power the Numeron Numbers 1-4 or 1000/C1000 can handle, not to mention Z-ONE can troll the field by bouncing monsters and backrows. He even has a healthy burn play setup as the aggressor which likely Don Thousand has no visible defenses against. As for Don Thousand, his Numeron Rewriting being canon so far are completely useless unless he has something against traps, which Z-ONE relies on to keep Timelords on the field. He also has the silly Heavy Storm-esque card as utility, but I doubt it will be totally super-effective. Some of Z-ONE's key traps activate in the hand, so that's another point against him. In the end Don Thousand's ***** and linear playstyle is his weakness compared to Z-ONE because Don Thousand lacks the ability to actually destroy instead of just adding 0s to the end of his monster's ATK power. In a legitimate duel if Numeron and Timelords were real, I'd say Don Thousand.dek will setup strong and confident with 1000 or the Gates, but Z-ONE.dek easily bounces and counters while DOn Thousand.dek just cowers in fear hoping for an opening. And even though this is unrelated to in terms of if Don Thousand or Z-ONE will win in a duel, I believe Z-ONE is a better main antagonist than Don Thousand. Z-ONE's apperance was more unique and mysterious and we had a sense of his enigmatic plans reflected through the 3 Iliaster Emperors and his influence on Bruno/Sherry: The loss of hope and for the betterment of his future. He was more balanced in the sense of intimidation through x5 Marshmallons, but it doesn't still make his plays BS. Nevertheless I emphasized him a lot towards his death as his resolve was satisfied and allowed Yusei to fight for a better future. Don Thousand....sucks *****. First appearance he seemed like a stereotypical villain with a name in a Numbers rock band. Given his aura and presence his plans have been a little unclear at times when he joins forces with Vector, but there's really nothing to gain emotional wise from him, just that he screwed 7 people's futures and made them reincarnated for his duties. And the fact that the writers decided to have his source of villainy strength through activating S/Ts fro mteh deck, having pointless and absurd ATK power, and Xyz from nowhere gives the sign of laziness as if they want Zexal to end quickly. So to sum up Don Thousand is just a dense, power-hungry and stereotypical villain who has no substance at all. Even Darkness from GX had more sense that this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANZAI!!!! Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Well, i mean, of course you're going to suck at a card game if you spend 100+ episodes plotting world domination. Doubt you have much time to sit and construct a deck, let alone practice. But yeah in all seriousness Don Thousand is a really boring antagonist. What happened to the days when guys had motives for being villains, other than "i wanna take over the world". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Well, i mean, of course you're going to suck at a card game if you spend 100+ episodes plotting world domination. Doubt you have much time to sit and construct a deck, let alone practice. But yeah in all seriousness Don Thousand is a really boring antagonist. What happened to the days when guys had motives for being villains, other than "i wanna take over the world". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ Yeah the fact that he's a more cliche villain is what makes him less awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANZAI!!!! Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Not that it makes much of a difference, but i've always hated his name. I keep thinking he's some sort if inter dimensional mafia don.... Wait, he kind of is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Even though Don Thousand has the most silliest cheating cards, Z-ONE is likely to be the winner of a duel between him and Don Thousand if he plays his cards correct. Unlike Don Thousand, Z-ONE gives no f***s about huge ATK power and intimidation to dominate. His Timelords are invincible to the power the Numeron Numbers 1-4 or 1000/C1000 can handle, not to mention Z-ONE can troll the field by bouncing monsters and backrows. He even has a healthy burn play setup as the aggressor which likely Don Thousand has no visible defenses against. As for Don Thousand, his Numeron Rewriting being canon so far are completely useless unless he has something against traps, which Z-ONE relies on to keep Timelords on the field. He also has the silly Heavy Storm-esque card as utility, but I doubt it will be totally super-effective. Some of Z-ONE's key traps activate in the hand, so that's another point against him. In the end Don Thousand's ***** and linear playstyle is his weakness compared to Z-ONE because Don Thousand lacks the ability to actually destroy instead of just adding 0s to the end of his monster's ATK power. In a legitimate duel if Numeron and Timelords were real, I'd say Don Thousand.dek will setup strong and confident with 1000 or the Gates, but Z-ONE.dek easily bounces and counters while DOn Thousand.dek just cowers in fear hoping for an opening. And even though this is unrelated to in terms of if Don Thousand or Z-ONE will win in a duel, I believe Z-ONE is a better main antagonist than Don Thousand. Z-ONE's apperance was more unique and mysterious and we had a sense of his enigmatic plans reflected through the 3 Iliaster Emperors and his influence on Bruno/Sherry: The loss of hope and for the betterment of his future. He was more balanced in the sense of intimidation through x5 Marshmallons, but it doesn't still make his plays BS. Nevertheless I emphasized him a lot towards his death as his resolve was satisfied and allowed Yusei to fight for a better future. Don Thousand....sucks *****. First appearance he seemed like a stereotypical villain with a name in a Numbers rock band. Given his aura and presence his plans have been a little unclear at times when he joins forces with Vector, but there's really nothing to gain emotional wise from him, just that he screwed 7 people's futures and made them reincarnated for his duties. And the fact that the writers decided to have his source of villainy strength through activating S/Ts fro mteh deck, having pointless and absurd ATK power, and Xyz from nowhere gives the sign of laziness as if they want Zexal to end quickly. So to sum up Don Thousand is just a dense, power-hungry and stereotypical villain who has no substance at all. Even Darkness from GX had more sense that this guy. Well said. While I really liked Don Thousand at first, I think he as a character went downhill from the moment of the fake Numbers subplot. Not because of the Fake Numbers themselves, but because, at that moment of revealing his plan to Vector, he started displaying typical "I'm evil!" tendencies. He pretty much went on a crazy rant about needing more power to destroy the Astral World, and when the Fake Numbers machine was complete, he laughed evilly. Like maniacal laughter, rather than his awesome chuckle. Before that, he was just enigmatic enough to be interesting, even though he was clearly evil. It seemed at first that Don Thousand would make Vector powerful enough to have an epic fight with Yuma, and when Vector lost, THEN Don Thousand would emerge to settle the score with Astral. But the plot somewhat abandoned Vector vs Yuma in favor of Vector vs Nasch. The lack of true motives aside from revenge on Astral and destroying the Astral World also cheapens him as a character, and the closer he comes to his ultimate goal, the more shallow his character is because if he wins, there isn't much left for him to accomplish, as YRP mentioned before. While he doesn't YET have the full power of the Numeron Code, he's so close that it feels like there isn't much left to do. At least characters like Z-One/etc planned to rebuild the world. Don Thousand clearly just plans to lord over the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 The lack of true motives aside from revenge on Astral and destroying the Astral World also cheapens him as a character, and the closer he comes to his ultimate goal, the more shallow his character is because if he wins, there isn't much left for him to accomplish, as YRP mentioned before. OwO as YRP mentioned before. .w. AS YRP MENTIONED BEFORE. Sempai noticed me my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Aside from Don Thousand analysis and rant, I would like to take the time to comment on his bosses by making this very appropriate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Aside from Don Thousand analysis and rant, I would like to take the time to comment on his bosses by making this very appropriate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik ... Go be like ZEXAL and f**k yourself over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANZAI!!!! Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Armityle did it before it was cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Just check le wiki and I'm pretty sure he didn't. Yeah, I was thinking Torrential REBORN. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 After reading the Duel summary for this episode on Wiki, it seems obvious what's going to happen in the Duel next episode [spoiler=Speculation spoiler] Due to Hope Bond, Utopia has 3 Materials (Hope Bond itself, and both of Abyss Splash's Units). Due to Rising Hope equipped to Utopia, Utopia can use the effects of other Xyz Monsters by detaching Materials. Numeron Dragon's effect is to detach 1 to increase ATK by 1000 x the combined Ranks on the Field. Right now, there is CINo.1000 (Rank 13), No.73 (Rank 5), Numeron Dragon (Rank 1) and No.39 (Rank 4). The combined Rank = 23. Utopia using Numeron Dragon's effect will bring its ATK to 25500. It can use Abyss Splash's effect to double its ATK twice, to 102000. (Unless Hope Rising only lets you use each Xyz Monster's effect once a turn or something) So...I find it extremely likely that Yuma's remaining Set card is Double-Up Chance, and that Nasch will use Abyss Splash's effect to double to 51000, then attack, negate his own attack, and use Double-Up Chance to win. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 After reading the Duel summary for this episode on Wiki, it seems obvious what's going to happen in the Duel next episode [spoiler=Speculation spoiler] Due to Hope Bond, Utopia has 3 Materials (Hope Bond itself, and both of Abyss Splash's Units). Due to Rising Hope equipped to Utopia, Utopia can use the effects of other Xyz Monsters by detaching Materials. Numeron Dragon's effect is to detach 1 to increase ATK by 1000 x the combined Ranks on the Field. Right now, there is CINo.1000 (Rank 13), No.73 (Rank 5), Numeron Dragon (Rank 1) and No.39 (Rank 4). The combined Rank = 23. Utopia using Numeron Dragon's effect will bring its ATK to 25500. It can use Abyss Splash's effect to double its ATK twice, to 102000. (Unless Hope Rising only lets you use each Xyz Monster's effect once a turn or something) So...I find it extremely likely that Yuma's remaining Set card is Double-Up Chance, and that Nasch will use Abyss Splash's effect to double to 51000, then attack, negate his own attack, and use Double-Up Chance to win. [/spoiler] ...What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 We still haven't seen the identity of the card that Eliphas gave Astral though, right? It's most likely Astral Force, but even if it isn't, we should end up seeing it within the next episode at least. One thing that's been bugging me, though... When Yuma scrolled through the ZeXaL powers, I actually thought he was going to Re-Contract Universe something when he hit ZeXaL II, but he didn't. It honestly seems a little odd to have that power show up once in a relatively insignificant duel (who's only purpose was to give Yuma Numeron Force) and then never again afterwards. I understand the purpose of it was to "Cleanse" LBF of darkness and purify it into Numeron Force, but if the power turns a card into something infused with the power of the Numeron Code, then maybe (assuming the card he got from Eliphas is Astral Force) Yuma will Re-Contract Universe Astral Force into some sort of Numeron card as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Yeah, I was thinking Torrential REBORN. My bad. Yeah he had A card with Torrential in its name, I can understand how you got confused there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 ...What? I read the Duel summary on Wiki, and in doing so, learned the effects of the cards Yuma and Nasch used near the end of the episode. With that information, it seems obvious how the Duel will end next episode. The current Field is: Don Thousand has his 100K ATK monster. Yuma/Nasch has Numeron Dragon, Utopia w/3 Materials, and No.73 w/ 0 Materials. Utopia is equipped with the Trap Hope Rising, which has an effect to let Utopia use the effects of other Xyz Monsters' detach effects. Yuma still has 1 Set card. Numeron Dragon's detach effect is "Gain 1000 ATK x Ranks of all monsters". There's 23. If Utopia used that effect, it would gain 23000 ATK = 25500. Abyss Splash's detach effect is to double its ATK. If Utopia used that effect, it would double its ATK to 51000, and have 1 Material left. Considering how often Yuma uses the Utopia + Double-Up Chance combo, I suspect his last Set card is Double-Up Chance, which would allow them to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I read the Duel summary on Wiki, and in doing so, learned the effects of the cards Yuma and Nasch used near the end of the episode. With that information, it seems obvious how the Duel will end next episode. The current Field is: Don Thousand has his 100K ATK monster. Yuma/Nasch has Numeron Dragon, Utopia w/3 Materials, and No.73 w/ 0 Materials. Utopia is equipped with the Trap Hope Rising, which has an effect to let Utopia use the effects of other Xyz Monsters' detach effects. Yuma still has 1 Set card. Numeron Dragon's detach effect is "Gain 1000 ATK x Ranks of all monsters". There's 23. If Utopia used that effect, it would gain 23000 ATK = 25500. Abyss Splash's detach effect is to double its ATK. If Utopia used that effect, it would double its ATK to 51000, and have 1 Material left. Considering how often Yuma uses the Utopia + Double-Up Chance combo, I suspect his last Set card is Double-Up Chance, which would allow them to win. I know. You outlined this cool combo, then proceeded to predict a somewhat different combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Numeron Dragon's detach effect is "Gain 1000 ATK x Ranks of all monsters". There's 23. If Utopia used that effect, it would gain 23000 ATK = 25500. Abyss Splash's detach effect is to double its ATK. If Utopia used that effect, it would double its ATK to 51000, and have 1 Material left. Considering how often Yuma uses the Utopia + Double-Up Chance combo, I suspect his last Set card is Double-Up Chance, which would allow them to win. Another possibility is that DT has a hand trap that negates the attack, then Yuma uses Double Up to win. Also, I saw this in the wiki summary and figured it's more ammo for the reason why the writers want Zexal over and done with: When Don Thousand activates Numeron Chaos Ritual he claims he can Special Summon "Numeron" monsters from his Graveyard. However those monsters were banished by the effect of Number C1: Gate of Chaos Numeron - Shunya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 It occurred to me recently that, MAYBE, the cards Eliphas gave Astral are the ZS cards. After the Duel with Eliphas, he gave Astral a card. Yuma and Astral then Dueled Mr. Heartland, and unlocked Zexal III, which resulted in ZS - Banish Sage. Eliphas sacrificed himself and gave Astral a card during this Duel. Shortly afterwards, they used ZS - Ouroboros. It's not conclusive evidence, but the alternative seems to be that they're making a point of giving Astral a card, and then never using it. Besides, Zexal III seems to be from Astral and Yuma's strengthened bond, and that bond strengthened to that level because Yuma went to the Astral World and Dueled Eliphas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Also, I saw this in the wiki summary and figured it's more ammo for the reason why the writers want Zexal over and done with: When Don Thousand activates Numeron Chaos Ritual he claims he can Special Summon "Numeron" monsters from his Graveyard. However those monsters were banished by the effect of Number C1: Gate of Chaos Numeron - Shunya. That's a good point he did banish the other Numbers so there should've been no way they could've gone t the grave, it seems the writers forgot about that little detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Let's assume Don Thousand is cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Let's assume Don Thousand is cheating. I can actually see him doing this. My question is this. Why do they want Zexal to end so bad? Are they just that ready for Arc V? Are they bored with it? Did something we don't know about happen to a producer or something? Do they just not give a crap anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I can actually see him doing this. My question is this. Why do they want Zexal to end so bad? Are they just that ready for Arc V? Are they bored with it? Did something we don't know about happen to a producer or something? Do they just not give a crap anymore? Yuma is a boring, boring character. He's at his best when he's having a passionate rant about stuff. Also, he spams No.39 all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Yuma is a boring, boring character. He's at his best when he's having a passionate rant about stuff. Also, he spams No.39 all the time. That's nobody's fault but the producers. The have had COUNTLESS chances to have Yuma use different Numbers. There's a couple episodes left, and he's used a whopping eleven different ones. Two of which were in the manga, not the anime. One of the best examples I remember is his second due against Alit. Alit had summoned Lead Blow, and Yuma had Gagaga Magician and Gagaga Kid out. He already knew how usefull Lead Blow could be, so he could have summoned Number 11, taken control of Lead Blow, and attacked directly. He summoned Number 39. Against the garbage robot and Shark ( second duel ), he could have summoned Number 17 to end things quicker, and stop Shark's combo. He summoned Number 39. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 That's nobody's fault but the producers. The have had COUNTLESS chances to have Yuma use different Numbers. There's a couple episodes left, and he's used a whopping eleven different ones. Two of which were in the manga, not the anime. One of the best examples I remember is his second due against Alit. Alit had summoned Lead Blow, and Yuma had Gagaga Magician and Gagaga Kid out. He already knew how usefull Lead Blow could be, so he could have summoned Number 11, taken control of Lead Blow, and attacked directly. He summoned Number 39. Against the garbage robot and Shark ( second duel ), he could have summoned Number 17 to end things quicker, and stop Shark's combo. He summoned Number 39.I have half a mind to have a Number Hunting OC of mine track down Yuma, duel him, and chastise him for his simultaneous underspecialization and overspecialization due to his focus on Utopia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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