Βyakuya Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 To me, 1-4 is extra annoying because while they did at least answer my previous concern about the fakes (whether ANYONE had the real ones), they became uncreative monsters with identical effects to each other, more or less. Now that I think of it, though, Numbers 1-4 matched their users almost TOO well. No.3 negated effects and gained 500 DEF. Semimaru seemed content to wait around before pursuing Yuma. No.4 was a jellyfish that killed WATER monsters and burned. Kurage was not only jellyfish-like, but very obsessed with seniority = power, which he attributed to a jellyfish's long lifespan, and his own preference of a WATER Deck. No. 2 was miniscule in size with an effect that allowed manipulation of attacks, and Kaninja hated big monsters. No.1 was a Fly (we all saw this coming) and had very good effects fitting of a "leader". Odds are, the 4 Fake Numbers were blank cards. When they were given to the Barian assassins, they took the forms they wanted. Yes it definitely appeared that the "Fake" Numbers back then were much more real than the "real" ones used by Don Thousand which he placed influence of Numeron Power. Probably there's a chance they too are fake as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Yes it definitely appeared that the "Fake" Numbers back then were much more real than the "real" ones used by Don Thousand which he placed influence of Numeron Power. Probably there's a chance they too are fake as well. It'd be a **** move, and at the same time, it'd be bittersweet, because it'd mean there's still a chance Numbers 1 to 4 won't be that disappointing. In any event, there are a number of factors against these being "fake". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 If the real Numbers 1 - 4 were shaped by Don Thousand, I guess (story-wise) we can blame Don Thousand's lack of imagination/creativity/whatever for giving us 4 Numbers with hard Summoning Conditions and identical effects that need to be mashed together to do something useful. Considering how Don Thousand in Gilag and Alito's real memories stated he was "rewriting their destinies" and how the Numeron cards tend to have names like "Numeron Xyz Rewriting"/etc, the concept that Don Thousand is "rewriting" the Numbers themselves to fit his Numeron-based Deck strategy makes sense. He already has the power to create fake Numbers, and probably creates or tweaks most of the cards in his Deck, including that Spell he used to Summon No.1-4. I'm probably just devoting too much thought into the weaker aspects of the plot/writing. Numeron Direct has no purpose EXCEPT to Summon No.1-4, and those cards are only remotely good if they're all out simultaneously. And his whole Deck seemed to, up to this point, rely on Numeron Network's effects. Even C1 supports Numeron Network by banishing all monsters he controls, reapplying Numeron Network's "activate a Trap from your Deck", and the Numeron cards rely on you controlling no other cards. So yeah....Don Thousand seems solely devoted to using the powers to "rewrite" the world. He can rewrite the opponent's cards and strategies, changing the results of plays. Mizael intended to sacrifice himself to take out Don Thousand, so he "rewrote" the outcome. Nasch planned to use an OTK combo, so he "rewrote" the Spell played to one that would break the combo. He even had a Numeron Battle Fader of sorts. Also, Don Thousand is a chaotic being. He doesn't adapt to things (human world) or try to evolve beyond the limits of things (Astral World). He outright changes them. As such, Don Thousand and the Barian world seem to be a representation of stagnation. (Now I'm REALLY devoting too much thought into this). Ironic, though. It was previously implied that the power of chaos is drawn from desire and bonds. A desire to protect those close to you, etc. Most of the Duelists defeated by the Barians explicitly fought to protect Yuma. The irony is that Don Thousand, the Barian god and embodiment of chaos, appears wholly self-serving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 The irony is that Don Thousand, the Barian god and embodiment of chaos, appears wholly self-serving. It's not really ironic IMO; Chaos has been said to be the power to shape your own destiny/fate, and I think of Don Thousand as the embodiment of the dark side of Chaos, whereas guys like Yuma represent its more positive side, the side that convinced Eliphas to sacrifice himself for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 It's not really ironic IMO; I think of Don Thousand as the embodiment of the dark side of Chaos, whereas guys like Yuma represent its more positive side, the side that convinced Eliphas to sacrifice himself for them. Ah yes, that's true. Eliphas originally was obsessed with Ranking Up and rejecting Chaos until Yuma won. His concern had been that Yuma's bonds with people would cause him to fear losing Astral and be weaker as a result. Sacrificing himself was truly selfless: He put the Astral World's fate in their hands, and simultaneously showed he no longer was concerned with Ranking-Up infinitely. And yeah...Don Thousand would be the dark side of chaos. Sacrificing others for the sake of oneself, rather than sacrificing oneself for the sake of others. The Over-Hundred Numbers filled the Barian lords' hearts with hatred and anger, emotions that are not noble. I relate chaos in Zexal to the equivalent of my own concept of a person's inner darkness (which is similar to GX's theme of inner darkness). It's never just "gain power". It's "gain power to do X", where X is usually a noble intention or touching desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Ah yes, that's true. Eliphas originally was obsessed with Ranking Up and rejecting Chaos until Yuma won. His concern had been that Yuma's bonds with people would cause him to fear losing Astral and be weaker as a result. Sacrificing himself was truly selfless: He put the Astral World's fate in their hands, and simultaneously showed he no longer was concerned with Ranking-Up infinitely. And yeah...Don Thousand would be the dark side of chaos. Sacrificing others for the sake of oneself, rather than sacrificing oneself for the sake of others. The Over-Hundred Numbers filled the Barian lords' hearts with hatred and anger, emotions that are not noble. I relate chaos in Zexal to the equivalent of my own concept of a person's inner darkness (which is similar to GX's theme of inner darkness). It's never just "gain power". It's "gain power to do X", where X is usually a noble intention or touching desire. I think regarding Chaos, NaShark is a special case, because he was doing what he thought was right, but he went about it the wrong way. Speaking of Eliphas, any idea about the identity of that second super-special-awesome card of glowing splendor he gave Astral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More than 3 characters Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 There's two sides to Chaos, the Chaos that comes from the Barian World and has ties with Don Thousand has always been red and comes through the Barian's Gate shown early on during Zexal II when Barian's Force was used. Whereas the type of Chaos Yuma uses is colored blue (see Hope Roots, he's filled with blue energy as opposed to the red Barian energy inside CXyz and Barian's Number C's) and seems to come through the Emperor's Key Door. The "Red Chaos" is the "evil chaos" representing selfishness, betrayal and sacrificing others for your goal, and conversely the "Blue Chaos" is the "good chaos" that represents friendship, healing and self-sacrifice.Speaking of Eliphas, any idea about the identity of that second super-special-awesome card of glowing splendor he gave Astral?I'm guessing it's some plot device card that will get used later during this duel or the following ones. It could be something like a new RUM or something of those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I agree with evilfusion, in hindsight, the Fake 1-4 were too fitting. Though the LEAST the could have done......Nevermind..... Fake 4's effect would make no sense with the real one, and Fake 1's effect wouldn't suit the real one, AT ALL. I really hope they maybe combine the cards in some way. That we at least get the.....Nevermind...... Infection King's effect is just too good for the crap we got today, and I'm sorry to say, these probably are the real 1-4. Where else would we see the real ones? If they could make Cain and Abel, which were literally made only to try and murder Shark and Kaito, maybe they can pull a rabbit out of their hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 True...C39- V is evil-looking and red/black and was made with Barian power. C39-Victory is white/blue and made with Numeron Force. Although 39-Roots isn't a Chaos Number. Which is really weird, actually, even if flavor wise, it's a pre-evolution of Utopia. Utopia Roots is a "Number 39". They fit the users too well, but not in a bad way. Each of them had their own niche, even if selectively. No.3 is a defensive Effect Negator. No.4...well, that's a weird card, admittedly, with the "SS monsters with the exact same effect", but the "destroy a WATER and burn" effect was interesting enough for something so otherwise uncreative. No.2 was mediocre as hell due to being so passive, but had a nice dynamic. No.1 was awesome, almost too good. These No.1-4 are bland and identical in almost every way. We don't need Numbers, which are plot device cards by default, even if some of them are good, to be that boring, especially in contrast with the first forms we saw. I guess we'll have to wait and see what Konami does, though. We weren't sure what they'd do with 31 and 13, and they made something cool. Maybe now they can safely print No.1-4, and the reason we haven't seen them printed yet is because the Zexal writers planned to use those Numbers again, and their altered forms would make no sense if printed before this "twist". Yeah, I'm wondering what card(s) Astral received from Eliphas. We've gotten no indication about the first one to the point of almost being forgotten. On the subject of "forgotten", there's still a few little hanging plot aspects I wish would have gotten cleared up by now. - Jin. Who the hell was he? How did he get Photon Hand? Originally, he claimed to be Kaito's servant, but this was ultimately proven false, and Kaito eventually defeated him and claimed his soul and final Number. Normally, this would be unremarkable, but seriously...how did he get Photon Hand? Every other character seen claiming Numbers was somehow tied to the Barians. Dr. Faker had a direct contract, Tron had a contract and the crests' power from the gained power. Kaito had Photon Hand, which was probably made by Dr. Faker using Barian power/technology. Who was Jin? - Nasch, Merag, and Durbe's real memories. Still waiting on that... Side note, when Vector revived Don Thousand, he revealed a card or something before the Don Thousand emblem. What was that? His Over-Hundred or something? That would make sense, considering how the Barian lords were always intended to be Don Thousand's means of revival... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I feel that the only way to see Nasch, Merag, and Durbe's memories would only to be seen from the medium of Nasch himself. Since the synopsis for the next episodes are likely to be true, then we get to see how Don Thousand simultaneously affected the 3, since Durbe helped fight with them against Vector for ambitions unknown but will later be cleared. But if I remember, Durbe was betrayed by his knight comrades and died after he returned from war, Merag sacrificed her life...literally, and Nasch is yet to be known. I could suspect Don Thousand altered their memories as well but for that to happen there had to be some relationship as to why these guys are so special and why Nasch was the original Barian leader. And from that it will arise the true emotions of Shark as a Barian. It's the only way I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Here's the first part of the dialogue from NeoArk: Don Thousand: やっと気がついたか アストラル。 (It looks like you finally figured it out, Astral.) Don Thousand: 確かに ヌメロン・コードの所在は まだわからぬ。 (I don't know where the Numeron Code's resting place is.) Don Thousand: そこで我は 地上世界をバリアン化させ この世界ごと ヌメロン・コードの力を取り込んだのだ。 (So I made The Earth a part of the Barian World, to gain the power of the Numeron Code.) Don Thousand: このデュエルで キサマらを倒し 我は ヌメロン・コードの すべてを手に入れる。 (Once I defeat you wroms in this Duel, I'll obtain the entire Numeron Code.) Don Thousand: そして 過去も未来も我のものとなる。 (And then the Past and Future will become mine as well.) Yuma: させるかよ そんなこと！ (Like hell yer gonna do that!) Yuma: ドン・サウザンド 俺たちが必ず お前を ぶっ倒す！ (Don Thousand, we're definitely gonna beatcha!) Kotori: 遊馬 シャーク アストラル！ (Yuma, Shark, Astral!) Kotori: 私たちの未来を… 未来を守って！ (Please... please protect our future!) Yuma: 俺は カードを１枚伏せて ターンエンドだ！ (I setta card and end my turn!) Don Thousand: 愚かな… (How foolish...) Don Thousand: ヌメロン・コードの力を得た我の前では すべてが無力。 (You're completely powerless before me, who has the power of the Numeron Code.) Astral: 確かに ここに 張りめぐらされているフィールド魔法 ヌメロン・ネットワーク。 (Stretching around us, from horizon to horizon is the Field Spell Card, "Numeron Network".) Astral: それは デュエルのすべてを 書きかえてしまう力を持つ。 (It gives its user the ability to rewrite the entire Duel to their whims.) Astral: 何か手を打たなければ 我々に勝機は… (If something isn't done about it... our chances of Victory are...) Don Thousand: 我のターン ドロー！ (My turn, draw!) Don Thousand: 我は マジックカード ヌメロン・ダイレクトを発動！ (I activate the Spell Card "Numeron Direct"!) Don Thousand: このカードは ヌメロン・ネットワークが発動しているとき エクストラデッキから 攻撃力１０００以下の ヌメロンと名のつく モンスターエクシーズ４体を特殊召喚する。 (While I control "Numeron Network", this card allows me to Special Summon 4 "Numeron" Xyz Monsters from my Extra Deck, provided they have 1000 or less ATK.) Don Thousand: 我が召喚するのは ４体のナンバーズ。 (I'll be Summoning 4 Numbers.) Yuma: ナンバーズだって！？ (NUMBERS!?)Don Thousand: そして その４体は 最初に この地上へ降りたナンバーズ。 (And these Numbers are the 4 that fell to Earth first.) Don Thousand: この地上を監視し続けた 地球の番人！ (The guardians of the Earth that have continued watched the planet.) Don Thousand: 現れよ！ ナンバーズ４！ (Come forth, Number 4!) Don Thousand: ゲート・オブ・ヌメロン・チャトゥヴァーリ！ (Gate of Numeron - Catvari!)Yuma: あれが 本物のナンバーズ４！ (That's the real Number 4!) Don Thousand: 続いて現れろ！ ナンバーズ３！ そして ２！ (Come forth now! Number 3! Number 2!) Don Thousand: ゲート・オブ・ヌメロン・トゥリーニ！ (Gate of Numeron - Trini!) Don Thousand: ゲート・オブ・ヌメロン・ドゥヴェー！ (Gate of Numeron - Dve!) Don Thousand: そして これが ヌメロンの極致。 (And this, the height, the very apex of "Numeron".) Don Thousand: 現れよ ナンバーズ１！ (Come forth, Number 1!) Yuma: あっ！ (Ah!) Kotori: うわっ！ (Uwah!) Don Thousand: 天を摩する地獄の門 堅牢なる扉開きしとき 一抹の希望を捨てよ！ (When this iron-clad door, this monumental gate to hell, opens, abandon all hope!) Don Thousand: ゲート・オブ・ヌメロン・エーカム！ (Gate of Numeron - Ekam!) Yuma: あれが ナンバーズ１！ (That's Number 1) Yuma: ナンバーズが合体した！？ (The Numbers combined!?) Don Thousand: このカードこそ 神が使うにふさわしいナンバーズ。 (These Numbers are cards appropriate for a God to use.) Don Thousand: ゲート・オブ・ヌメロン。 (The Gate of Numeron.) Kotori: でも 攻撃力は たった１０００なんでしょ！ (But their Attack is only 1000!) Kotori: 遊馬！ やっつけちゃいなさい！ (Yuma! Beat 'im!) Yuma: クッ！ のんきなことを！ (Keh! That's easy for you to say!) Yuma: 俺たちのフィールドには 攻撃力ゼロのガンバラナイト！ (All we've got on our field is Ganbara Knight n' his 0 Attack!) Astral: しかも 効果は無効にされている。 (And on toppa that, his effect's been negated.) Nasch: それに あのナンバーズ 何かあるはず！ (As well, there's something about those Numbers!) Astral: 遊馬！ 向こうのフィールドに カードがあるかぎり ヌメロン・ネットワークの効果で 我々のカードを 書きかえることはできない。 (Yuma! As long as he has cards on his side of the field, he can't rewrite our cards with Numeron Network.) Yuma: そうか！(That's right!) Don Thousand: 我は ナンバーズ１ ヌメロン・エーカムで ガンバラナイトを攻撃！ (I'll have Number 1: Numeron - Ekam, attack Ganbara Knight!) Yuma: トラップ発動！ ハーフ・アンブレイク！ (I activate a Trap! "Half Unbreak"!) Yuma: このターン 攻撃されたモンスターを バトルの破壊から守り 受けるダメージを 半分にする！ (During this turn, the attacked monster is protected from battle destruction n' all damage we take is halved!) Don Thousand: そして このダメージは アストラル世界へ降り注ぐ！ (Meanwhile, the damage pours down upon the Astral World!) Astral: アストラル世界が…。 (The Astral World is...) I know it's Yuma saying it, but no-one, including Astral, objected; also what Don Thousand said before that (which I also highlighted) pretty much confirmed Yuma's claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 So those are the real Numbers 1-4. It does make sense...considering No.100 is Numeron Dragon. The powers of the Numeron Code are unlocked with all the Numbers. The first Numbers are the Numeron Gate. The last Number is Numeron Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I have a theory on Jin I mentioned long ago. Dr. Faker was nearly done creating Photon Change, and the D Gazer tattoos. Before he gave it to his own son, he wanted a test subject. So he hired some random person ( Jin ) to see if it was safe. Jin got Photon Hand, but no tattoo. Jin also went insane in the process. Faker made some modifications, and it worked on Kaito just fine. Jin began to idolize Kaito, who was superior to him, and wanted to prove his worth. He found a Blank Number ( Big Eye ), and became a Numbers Hunter. He hunted Shock Ruler, and the third unknown Number, before he lost 11 and 16 to Yuma, and his third Number, and soul to Kaito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I'm confused.Why doesn't Don Thousand just erase Yuma and Nasch?He has merged the Barian World with Earth.He has the Numeron Code.HE HAS WON.Why continue with this farce?And what are his intentions once everyone but himself is absorbed or destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I'm confused. Why doesn't Don Thousand just erase Yuma and Nasch? He has merged the Barian World with Earth. He has the Numeron Code. HE HAS WON. Why continue with this farce? And what are his intentions once everyone but himself is absorbed or destroyed? He doesn't have the Numeron Code, though. According to the translations heraldry showed, Don Thousand is merging the Earth and Barian World because he doesn't know where the Numeron Code is. Presumably, by merging the worlds, he'll gain access to its powers because he's the Barian god. He also doesn't have the key to use the Numeron Code. That is what Kaito's Duel against Mizael was to accomplish, and that succeeded. Mizael gave No.100 to Yuma, so Yuma/Astral have the key to the Numeron Code, and Don Thousand has the location of the Code itself. He also still needs to absorb Nasch to fully revive his powers. The 7 Barian Emperors were intended to fuel his revival. He has 6 of them absorbed. As for his intentions? To destroy the Astral World, and to expand his chaos however he sees fit. With the Numeron Code's full power, he'd be a true god. The human and Barian Worlds will be one, the Astral World will be destroyed, all of his direct opposition will be gone, and the Numeron Code will allow him to create and destroy the universe as he wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 He doesn't have the Numeron Code, though. According to the translations heraldry showed, Don Thousand is merging the Earth and Barian World because he doesn't know where the Numeron Code is. Presumably, by merging the worlds, he'll gain access to its powers because he's the Barian god. He also doesn't have the key to use the Numeron Code. That is what Kaito's Duel against Mizael was to accomplish, and that succeeded. Mizael gave No.100 to Yuma, so Yuma/Astral have the key to the Numeron Code, and Don Thousand has the location of the Code itself. He also still needs to absorb Nasch to fully revive his powers. The 7 Barian Emperors were intended to fuel his revival. He has 6 of them absorbed. As for his intentions? To destroy the Astral World, and to expand his chaos however he sees fit. With the Numeron Code's full power, he'd be a true god. The human and Barian Worlds will be one, the Astral World will be destroyed, all of his direct opposition will be gone, and the Numeron Code will allow him to create and destroy the universe as he wishes.So why doesn't he just use his new powers, gained from tapping into the Numeron Code, to will these things to happen?Why even continue with this farce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 So why doesn't he just use his new powers, gained from tapping into the Numeron Code, to will these things to happen? Why even continue with this farce? Because he probably doesn't have that level of power without the full powers of the Numeron Code. It's almost pointless to try to bring in that type of logic to Yu-Gi-Oh. It's all but a written rule that Duels decide everything. You have to defeat someone in a Duel in order to do certain things, such as absorb/steal souls, etc. The same question could be asked why Kaito never just used Photon Hand on people without Dueling them first. The laws of the universe require Duels, and this logic is not supposed to be questioned. Also, Astral is the Original Number, and if the Numbers are that closely associated with him and the Numeron Code, the best Don Thousand has is probably fragments of the Numeron Code's power, emulated by his Fake Numbers and the Astral Numbers he does have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Heres hoping for C94. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Okay, something dumber than C1000 has come up in today's episode. Get a load of this:Chaos Imaginary Number 1000: Mugen Kyokoushin Numerrionius Numerrionia Why not just regular #1000 and its Number C? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 If the writers really wanted to be clever, they should have created Number n, as n is treated as an imaginary number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Highest ATK put on a card (Armatyle only gets it through its effect). I do like its design. It requires 5 Level 12 monsters. And highest ATK overall, besides ∞ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Le RAW: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bltrv_yy-zexal-ii-67-140-sd_fun Also: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 The amount of BS pulled from both parties here is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 The amount of BS pulled from both parties here is ridiculous. ...There definitely seems to be a large number of me running around then.*shot* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 ....This level of BS made me want to commit sudoku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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