Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXal Sub/Manga Official Discussion Thread

[evilfusion]

Numeron Network can be activated during the opponent's Draw Phase if the player controls no other cards. He activated it during Mizael's Draw Phase, but didn't announce it (you can actually see that Don's hand count goes from 6 to 5 during that time).

I don't think he even has Numbers anymore since 107, 46 and 62 fused to create 100, and I doubt Mizael could have summoned 100.

 

Ah, I see. I did not notice the hand size thing.

 

Alito, Gilag, and Vector all had at least 1 Number in addition to their Over-Hundreds, so there was the chance that Mizael had one.

 

I don't think 107, 46, and 62 fused together, although they could have, illogical as that would be due to the Numbers being individual cards that need to be collected. I thought they just all had to be present after a Duel. And there's reason to believe Numeron Dragon is a Rank 4 (though it'd make more sense to be a Rank 8+).

 

I just felt the Duel vs Don Thousand could have done more. Mizael could have done something epic, at least. The Barian lords indicated that they can't use their Over-Hundreds once their Barian powers were lost, but if No.107 was a real dragon that Mizael could control, even playing that would have been cool. Or No.62. Or SOMETHING. It just felt pointless.

[heraldry_lord]

I just felt the Duel vs Don Thousand could have done more. Mizael could have done something epic, at least. The Barian lords indicated that they can't use their Over-Hundreds once their Barian powers were lost, but if No.107 was a real dragon that Mizael could control, even playing that would have been cool. Or No.62. Or SOMETHING. It just felt pointless.

 

I consider what Mizael did to be pretty epic, considering he pretty much pulled off a FTK-ish move that only got stopped thanks to Numeron Network hax.  It also showed that he had a bit more to his deck than the "Summon and sit on 107/C107" strategies we've seen from him in most of his duels.

[evilfusion]

I consider what Mizael did to be pretty epic, considering he pretty much pulled off a FTK-ish move that only got stopped thanks to Numeron Network hax.  It also showed that he had a bit more to his deck than the "Summon and sit on 107/C107" strategies we've seen from him in most of his duels.

 

Which, on that note, makes me think Mizael should have gone first. All Don Thousand did was end his turn after drawing, and Numeron Network lets you activate it during the opponent's Draw Phase.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

I was expecting more of a "dur hur first turn C107 overextension"

And Don Thousand has some counter to that. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT LEGIT

Not running 2 crummy Spells for the first time. 

[heraldry_lord]

I was expecting more of a "dur hur first turn C107 overextension"

And Don Thousand has some counter to that. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT LEGIT

Not running 2 crummy Spells for the first time. 

 

I somehow doubt he could have used 107 or C107, even if he wanted to.  Just call it a hunch. 

 

Also, we don't know if he was running those Spells for the first time; he could have had them all along, but had no reason to use them, cuz "herp derp first-turn 107/C107". 

[goddamnit names are a pain]

But after a few duels one realizes that some cards in the deck aren't showing up/doing anything when in the hand, and would logically edit the deck. Not to mention diverting from the path to an FTK is crazy, albeit awesome. I've never liked how people just play cards without saying they do. Sure, it looks awesome, but that causes BS 9/10.

[Just Crouton]

So, Don Thousand is/was a giant, and not once does the thought surface that maybe he should just strike down Yuma, Kotori, and Shark with his maximum brofist giant hand?

[evilfusion]

Was it ever explained why Mizael didn't/couldn't battle? I seem to recall one character making a comment about battling, and since Mizael went 2nd...was that because of the Spell he played to SS Radius?

So, Don Thousand is/was a giant, and not once does the thought surface that maybe he should just strike down Yuma, Kotori, and Shark with his maximum brofist giant hand?

 

Never try to question "logical" methods of killing off characters outside of a Duel. It's a law of Yu-Gi-Oh!. Everything is settled via a Duel. Everything.

 

Sometimes, there's implied justifications, such as the Numbers need to be won in a Duel, or your power/soul can't be absorbed unless you lost a Duel (Mizael vs Don Thousand pretty much existed only for this). Although Vector did essentially KILL Gilag with C43 directly, no Duel involved.

[Slinky]

Which, on that note, makes me think Mizael should have gone first. All Don Thousand did was end his turn after drawing, and Numeron Network lets you activate it during the opponent's Draw Phase.

 

If that happened, I'd have just said fuck it. its Sartorious all over again.

So, Don Thousand is/was a giant, and not once does the thought surface that maybe he should just strike down Yuma, Kotori, and Shark with his maximum brofist giant hand?

 

Because its yugioh.  that would cause a lot of outrage.

[evilfusion]

If that happened, I'd have just said fuck it. its Sartorious all over again.

 

True...I guess the writers didn't see a point to ripping off the legacy of the Zero Turn Kill.

[Slinky]

Least now we know that donnie is more of an asshole than vector is.

 

herp derp;. memory changes. herp derp. YOU DONT GET TO PLAY YGO, INSTEAD I PICK WHAT YOU PLAY.

[Bringerofcake]

Least now we know that donnie is more of an a****** than vector is.

 

herp derp;. memory changes. herp derp. YOU DONT GET TO PLAY YGO, INSTEAD I PICK WHAT YOU PLAY.

But MAN does Shaman!Donnie have a great VA.

[evilfusion]

But MAN does Shaman!Donnie have a great VA.

 

My term for that is Shaman!Thousand. That's assuming you're referring to his "Reaper" form that appeared in Gilag and Alito's memories. Or are you referring to his "real" form seen in this episode?

 

Which on that note, he did give me Eliphas vibes. Maybe because unlike the Barian lords, he actually has a visible mouth, but speaks with a near monotone.

[Bringerofcake]

No, Reaper Form. It's really smooth, but has an interesting other quality to it.

 

New!Thousand definitely reminds me of some cross between Eliphas and Aporia though. Fitting, considering he's the final boss of the Barian World.

[evilfusion]

No, Reaper Form. It's really smooth, but has an interesting other quality to it.

 

New!Thousand definitely reminds me of some cross between Eliphas and Aporia though. Fitting, considering he's the final boss of the Barian World.

 

Definitely. I adore Reaper form's voice.

 

And this conversation tipped me off that episode 133 is subbed now. Yay!

 

But all the previews coming up makes me concerned as to whether we'll ever learn what Nasch, Durbe, and Merag's true memories are. We learned Vector, Alito, Gilag, and Mizael's memories, but now it's Don Thousand vs Yuma/Nasch. Possibly we'll learn something when Nasch and Yuma face-off, since the previews said Nasch Summons the Over-Hundreds one after another. But the issue there is that Nasch has No.73 and 94.

[Bringerofcake]

Definitely. I adore Reaper form's voice.

 

And this conversation tipped me off that episode 133 is subbed now. Yay!

 

But all the previews coming up makes me concerned as to whether we'll ever learn what Nasch, Durbe, and Merag's true memories are. We learned Vector, Alito, Gilag, and Mizael's memories, but now it's Don Thousand vs Yuma/Nasch. Possibly we'll learn something when Nasch and Yuma face-off, since the previews said Nasch Summons the Over-Hundreds one after another. But the issue there is that Nasch has No.73 and 94.

 

And by the end of things, I think Nasch will also have almost all of the legendary numbers.

Djinn Buster was Vector's, either taken by Nasch or kept and absorbed by Don Thousand.

Sandayu was Alit's, before Vector absorbed him, then see above

 

Yuma still has Sky Pegasus, which he will definitely equip to Utopia to kill 102, and Lion Heart, which he will definitely use to kill 105 (again). The only other thing could be that Astral absorbs all of Don Thousand's Numbers EXCEPT the 10X, which take over Nasch, and makes sense in context, since the 10X Numbers are basically made by Don Thousand.

[~British Soul~]

Yuma still has Sky Pegasus, which he will definitely equip to Utopia to kill 102, and Lion Heart, which he will definitely use to kill 105 (again). The only other thing could be that Astral absorbs all of Don Thousand's Numbers EXCEPT the 10X, which take over Nasch, and makes sense in context, since the 10X Numbers are basically made by Don Thousand.

I thought the previews stated that the Number(s) Don Thousand left behind couldn't be absorbed by Astral and fall into Nasch's hands covered in an evil aura.

[evilfusion]

I thought the previews stated that the Number(s) Don Thousand left behind couldn't be absorbed by Astral and fall into Nasch's hands covered in an evil aura.

 

They do, although it is known that Astral can't absorb the Over-Hundreds, and the previews add that in the Duel against Nasch, he Summons the Over-Hundreds. Still, I expect a handful of Astral World Numbers to be included, since one side needs all of the Numbers to use the Numeron Code. Nasch at the very least already has 73 and 32, and almost certainly 94.

[~British Soul~]

They do, although it is known that Astral can't absorb the Over-Hundreds, and the previews add that in the Duel against Nasch, he Summons the Over-Hundreds. Still, I expect a handful of Astral World Numbers to be included, since one side needs all of the Numbers to use the Numeron Code. Nasch at the very least already has 73 and 32, and almost certainly 94.

Yeah, I remember Astral can't absorb over-100s, though we can't put it past Don Thousand that he has Astral world numbers too (like 1-4 as he created fakes of them). As for Nasch, we know he definitely has Numbers 94, 73 and 32 (32 he hasn't used since the Sargasso fight, and 94 he hasn't used since its debut), and it's assumed he has IV's Numbers too (15, 40, 88).

[Βyakuya]

So......that Mizael vs. Don Thousand duel. Lame way to go out to redeem yourself you think?

 

That part was pretty half-assed and put together, and it shows Mizael runs some contradictory cards. Even though most of his dragons are there for solely for Xyz food, there was absolutely no reason to place a card that would inflict damage to yourself anyways and tributing monsters that actually waste resources to get. Don Thousand should have at least activated a more powerful Numeron card, but yeah, too bad Mizael.

 

But I do think he had other reasons. While it's a shame one of the best Barians gets a pathetic loss, he has nothing else to live for, and it's obvious he is no where near being able to duel Don Thousand. So even if it's futile, I believe the duel he had was supposed to shed some light on Yuma/Nasch about Don Thousand's strategy so they wouldn't lose easily. This all just mirrors back to Z-ONE and Aporia again, but only a little less emotional for me. Yuma saving Vector stuck out to me more; Yuma must have been very stricken sad to see a lot of people sacrifice themselves for him while he can't do a thing, only to watch them die or get taken away. And at this point he has confidence in the true feelings of Vector when he was Shingetsu, even if Vector once again betrays him. And once again I wanted to heard Vectors last words though to be more clearer. Sayonara my favorite insane Barian. ;_;

[evilfusion]

So......that Mizael vs. Don Thousand duel. Lame way to go out to redeem yourself you think?

 

That part was pretty half-assed and put together, and it shows Mizael runs some contradictory cards. Even though most of his dragons are there for solely for Xyz food, there was absolutely no reason to place a card that would inflict damage to yourself anyways and tributing monsters that actually waste resources to get. Don Thousand should have at least activated a more powerful Numeron card, but yeah, too bad Mizael.

 

But I do think he had other reasons. While it's a shame one of the best Barians gets a pathetic loss, he has nothing else to live for, and it's obvious he is no where near being able to duel Don Thousand. So even if it's futile, I believe the duel he had was supposed to shed some light on Yuma/Nasch about Don Thousand's strategy so they wouldn't lose easily. This all just mirrors back to Z-ONE and Aporia again, but only a little less emotional for me. Yuma saving Vector stuck out to me more; Yuma must have been very stricken sad to see a lot of people sacrifice themselves for him while he can't do a thing, only to watch them die or get taken away. And at this point he has confidence in the true feelings of Vector when he was Shingetsu, even if Vector once again betrays him. And once again I wanted to heard Vectors last words though to be more clearer. Sayonara my favorite insane Barian. ;_;

 

Agreed that Mizael's defeat was anti-climactic and sloppy. If it's supposed to be a parallel to Z-One vs Aporia, they did it wrong. And horribly at that. Aporia managed to reveal Z-One's absurdly powerful disruption effects, and the existence of the Temporal Machine Gods and their power, and even though he was struggling the entire time, he was FIGHTING. Yusei and co even noted that the Machine Emperors were no match for Z-One, and the contrast was obviously deliberate: The Machine Emperors had been the ultimate enemy to them before, and Z-One's Deck trumped the Machine Emperors without a trace of fear.

 

Yuma, Astral, and Nasch learned pretty much NOTHING about Don Thousand's cards from that Duel until after Utopia got zapped, when they were informed about Numeron Network's effects.

 

I'm also disappointed in the fight Mizael put up. He showed a desire to sacrifice himself to acheive Don Thousand's defeat, and this sort of quality has been seen with all the other Barian Emperors, so that's consistent...except Mizael's character conflicts with this tendency. Alito risked himself to save Gilag. Gilag took Vector's attack solely upon himself and saved Yuma, entrusting him with the task of defeating Don Thousand. Merag was willing to bait No.43's burn effect as it would allow C103's effect to finish off Vector. Durbe was willing to do a similar tactic, and ultimately DID sacrifice himself to give Merag the opening to win the Duel. Nasch has constantly showed a willingness to risk himself for the sake of others, both past life and as Shark, particularly when Rio was involved (this tendency enrages Vector).

 

So Vector and Mizael are the only Barian lords who don't seem like the self-sacrificing type. While I can easily believe Mizael would challenge Don Thousand, using a kamikaze strategy is NOT his style at all. It never was. His style is overwhelming power and flashiness. I believe it would be more fitting if Mizael used his normal tactics, and Don Thousand ripped them apart with his Numeron cards, rather than Mizael overextend to absurd degrees and aim for a kamikaze draw. I feel this Duel did not represent the "path" Kaito told him to follow before his death.

 

In fact, it's ironic at best. Kaito noted Mizael didn't trust humans, but believed deeply in his dragons. Mizael even resented the idea his Dragons would betray him, as even after regaining his memories, he continued to use and support C107 throughout the entire Duel. So what does Mizael do when he faces Don Thousand? He Summons a bunch of dragons...and sacrifices them.

 

Yeah...the legendary dragon tamer, who once offered to end his own life to protect his dragon...sacrificed dragons in order to try to kill himself and Don Thousand. The irony is that this tactic only killed him, because he inexplicably carries another Spell that sacrifices dragons for draws and only self-harm.

 

I wasn't sure how to feel about Vector. He did get a moment where, despite Yuma trying to save him, he tried to stab Yuma in the back anyway. But then the rest of the scene paralleled Tron, which worked better with Tron because Tron's motivation was reasonable under the circumstances. Vector has always been motivated only by rage and hatred towards Yuma and Astral.

[More than 3 characters]

You know what, it would have been pretty epic if Mizael would have joined Yuma and Nasch to duel Don Thousand, sort of taking Kaito's place amongst them, and mirroring the final duel in the first season against Faker, which had Yuma, Shark and Kaito. This one could have had Yuma, Nasch (Shark turned "evil") and Mizael ("evil counterpart" to Kaito). Would have been a good chance to show off some new Tachyon/Galaxy cards too.

[Βyakuya]

You know what, it would have been pretty epic if Mizael would have joined Yuma and Nasch to duel Don Thousand, sort of taking Kaito's place amongst them, and mirroring the final duel in the first season against Faker, which had Yuma, Shark and Kaito. This one could have had Yuma, Nasch (Shark turned "evil") and Mizael ("evil counterpart" to Kaito). Would have been a good chance to show off some new Tachyon/Galaxy cards too.

 

Well I believe Mizael has done all he could to show off his best. Like evilfusion said, we could have expected something better and less consistent than the sacrifices so far, and he wasn't really the one who gave himself away that easily in front of Don Thousand. And I wouldn't think that would be a good idea anyways, the focal point after Don Thousand is Nasch whom Yuma has to fight against and Mizael really has no point anymore but to give Number 100 and provide futile resistance. Don Thousand wouldn't let him live to server him anyways; I'd imagine him more as an energy source to make him one step closer to being godlike.

[~British Soul~]

At least we now know that donnie-...

 

I also agree that Mizael should've put more of a fight than the disappointing performance he showed against Don Thousand, but since he showed his best in his epic final battle against Kaito, there wasn't much that he could've done after giving Number 100 to Yuma.

[Jord200]

Am I the only one who thinks Number 100 could be a Rank 10, simply because we haven't had any Rank 10 Numbers yet? I know it probably will be Rank 4 or 8, but you never know. Also, according the manga, Kyoji will be using a new Number next month, and if my theory of the pattern involving his Numbers are correct, it will be Number 35. It will probably be a Rank 8, if you follow the existing pattern of his Numbers being one Rank higher than the last one he used.

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