Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXal Sub/Manga Official Discussion Thread

[More than 3 characters]

The Op kinda shows that the last duel will probably be Yuma vs. Astral.

Because they want to allude to Yugi vs. Atem.

[~British Soul~]

Yuma vs Astral would be an interesting final duel tbh, besides a duel against a notBig Bad usually ends up being the final duel of the series.

[Merci]

Yuma vs Astral would be an interesting final duel tbh, besides a duel against a notBig Bad usually ends up being the final duel of the series.

 

Yep.

 

We had Yugi vs Atem, then Judai vs Yugi, then Yusei vs Jack, so I think it's inevitable that the last duel will be against either Astral or Kaito. Or maybe his own dad if they want to go in that direction. But not Don Thousand.

 

I'm saying if its only Yuma and Astral vs. Don Thousand will be just an obvious rip off of GX's ending. (Which worked better since there was really only 1 Main Character who was a top duelist. Zexal has 3)

 

Um, you do remember that the last duel in GX was Judai vs Yugi, right? The duel against Darkness was two episodes prior to that.

[~British Soul~]

Yep.

 

We had Yugi vs Atem, then Judai vs Yugi, then Yusei vs Jack, so I think it's inevitable that the last duel will be against either Astral or Kaito. Or maybe his own dad if they want to go in that direction. But not Don Thousand.

Yuma vs Kaito would also be a good final duel as well.

 

EDIT: Le RAW:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18fgnl_yy-zexal-ii-60-133-sd_fun

[Azuh]

I know that I've been out of the loop on ZeXal for a while now, but has the anime ever explained more about the Door in Yumas dreams? Saying that he'll lose someone most dear to him? I'm assuming this will most likely relate to Astral now confirming that Yuma must duel Astral at the end of the series?

[Jord200]

Lolwikia says Vector now has Numbers 64, 80, and 58. So now the Barians have the majority of the Legendary Numbers.

[~British Soul~]

Lolwikia says Vector now has Numbers 64, 80, and 58.

Well Vector did absorb Gilag and Alit inside his body.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

So, based on how the previous 3 serieses have worked...

[spoiler=Predictions]

Mizar will get owned by Kaito and absorbed into energy.

Nasch will duel Vector and narrowly lose.

Vector will either duel Yuma, then get absorbed by Don Thousand, who will duel Yuma, or Don Thousand will just straight up deny Yuma any catharsis by absorbing Vector, and duel him.

Kaito might reappear for this fight, and will most likely lose and get absorbed into energy in a sacrificial play.

Everyone will come back except Vector for reasons.

Yuma gets his parents back.

There will be a happy ending duel as an epilogue.

[/spoiler]

And all of this will happen in the next 10-20 episodes, with the epilogue duel being 2-3 episodes, and the boss duel being 4-5 episodes.

[Dementuo]

[spoiler=Translation of the short talk between Mizael and Kaito I found]

Kaito: The card that harbours power that of the gods, the Numeron Code, cannot function with just its existence. A special key is necessary for it to function. That’s where the two Galaxy-Eyes come in. I found the stone monument where it is indicated the legend of the birth of the Numeron Code.

Kaito: Jinlong…
Jinlong: Here it is depicted the secret of the Numeron Code’s birth from the Dragon. Dragons are an existence whose lifespan exceeds humans, and holds the wisdom of all creation. Therefore, humankind have lived in awe and revered dragons when they coexisted.
When the world began there was one Dragon. However, it found itself alone, and in its loneliness used all its power and created this world. The Dragon worried about its death. It wouldn’t be able to watch over the future of the world it created. Thus, it mustered all its final strength and shed a single tear. Holding the thoughts of the Dragon and truths, that tear roamed the endless universe, and arrived at a heavenly body.
That body is Earth.
From the collision, the Moon was created.
Kaito. I see. The Numeron Code is on our Earth. And part of the key is on the moon. Moreover, the device now anticipates the dragons that borrow power from the Numbers, Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon. And Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon. The victor can then unravel the key and obtain it.
Miza: The two dragons are cards made from the same Barian power.
Kaito: Yes. There was one more dragon indicated on the stone monument. That is…
Miza: In that case, right here, let’s determine who is the strongest Dragon user between us!

Kaito: Yeah, my sentiments exactly, Mizael!

 

So basically, the ZeXaL Universe's god is a dragon.[/spoiler]

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

So...a space dragon got emo...and when it cried, it made the Moon...?

[Dementuo]

So...a space dragon got emo...and when it cried, it made the Moon...?

Well, consider this.

In reality, the moon was (most likely) made when a giant meteor smacked into the earth billions of years ago, and the debris from that impact collected together and condensed into the moon. So this is basically just an explanation story as to what that meteor was.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Well, consider this.

In reality, the moon was (most likely) made when a giant meteor smacked into the earth billions of years ago, and the debris from that impact collected together and condensed into the moon. So this is basically just an explanation story as to what that meteor was.

The tear of a Forever Alone Space Dragon.

[evilfusion]

Wait, wait wait...

 

Mizael said that both dragons were created from the same Barian power? So Photon Dragon and Tachyon Dragon both were created with Barian power?

 

This is bringing back the credibility of my "Photon Dragon was cloned from Tachyon Dragon" theory. I'm still not sure where Number 46 comes in, though. It's Mizael's legendary Number, based upon the dragon his past life had tamed. It understandably resonates with him. But it also resonates with Photon Dragon, which has resonated with Tachyon Dragon. But No.46's connection to No.107 is on the same level as No.64 to No.106, and No.54 to 105.

 

Anyway, episode was pretty good. The episode where an alarming number of characters die. I did not see that coming, and Gilag's reactions were beautiful, considering he doesn't show much emotion normally.

 

I noticed Shaman Thousand wields a scythe. I noticed it in the Alito episodes, but thought it was symbolic since Alito was getting executed in those scenes.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Wait, wait wait...

 

Mizael said that both dragons were created from the same Barian power? So Photon Dragon and Tachyon Dragon both were created with Barian power?

 

This is bringing back the credibility of my "Photon Dragon was cloned from Tachyon Dragon" theory. I'm still not sure where Number 46 comes in, though. It's Mizael's legendary Number, based upon the dragon his past life had tamed. It understandably resonates with him. But it also resonates with Photon Dragon, which has resonated with Tachyon Dragon. But No.46's connection to No.107 is on the same level as No.64 to No.106, and No.54 to 105

 

Wasn't it established in series one that Kaito's deck was made by Faker with Barian World power? Or at least not earthly power? It's not that much of a leap I think.

 

46 could be the reminant of the God, or part of it, and 107 being the darker side of it. Like it split into a lighter half and a darker half, and Photon was essentially created from the remnants of the lighter half of it.

 

Since 107 was a very angry looking thing, and if it had truely been alone for millenian.. well it'd go mad.

[evilfusion]

It was stated that Dr. Faker and Mr. Heartland built Kaito's Deck with science from a different dimension. Both were of course revealed to be closely related to the Barians. Which is why I formed my theory of Photon being cloned from Tachyon (Photons being slower than Tachyon, plus not being an Xyz/Number).

 

But now we can feasibly say that Don Thousand created No.107 to alter Mizael's memories. No.46 is the reverse of No.107 in that regard. Where exactly does Photon fit into this, as both Tachyon and No.46 have resonated with Photon Dragon, yet both Tachyon and Photon were evidently born on the moon?

 

Apparently No.62 appears next episode.

[~British Soul~]

One thing I liked about the episode was that the ending was dedicated to Alit, Gilag, Merag and Durbe similar to episode 128 where the ending was dedicted to the Arclight siblings.

[evilfusion]

One thing I liked about the episode was that the ending was dedicated to Alit, Gilag, Merag and Durbe similar to episode 128 where the ending was dedicted to the Arclight siblings.

 

Yeah, I noticed that, too.

[~British Soul~]

Yeah, I noticed that, too.

I thought it was a nice touch tbh.

[evilfusion]

I seem to remember them doing similarly in 5Ds after the ZONE Duel.

[Βyakuya]

Poor Barian Emperors...having and deserving the same tribute as to the Arclight brothers...from the emotion I can see in the voice acting of them, I can see they really see themselves as irreplaceable allies who fight for a common cause despite it being antagonistic at first. I can really see the emotions played out there...

 

Jinlong's explanation about how the Numeron Code plays with Dragons being part of the world as we know was created seems silly to me...I mean some omnipotent dragon deity who had mysterious origins got emo and his tear made the Earth? .... *snickers*

 

Okay...so aside from that story, the dragons are indeed links to the Numeron Code. But there's a lot of things that are confusing me here. Apparently 107 represents Time and Photon Dragon represents space, and Dragluon outside of that is the Legendary Number that can counter against Tachyon, which is an Over-Hundred Number. The Legend says if Tachyon and Photon clashed, "the gate to the new world will be opened", or in other words, the path to the Numeron Code will be revealed. There's no doubt Photon's origins were primarily from the Barian World when it was created by Dr. Faker and Mr. Heartland , but Astral did point out its energy was similar to that of the Astral World according to the Wikia. And while Dragluon is needed to have Mizael's memories return and free influence of Don Thousand, Mizael in his past age must have looked like some chosen one that tamed Dragluon until he accepted Tachyon before his death. And finally, the 4th omnipotent dragon, Prime Photon...

 

It's hard trying to piece the puzzle here, but there's a lot of possibilities. But then I feel like if the world had its origins from an original dragon, then there seems to be an uncanny similarity with the Signer Dragons (maybe like emissaries?).

[evilfusion]

Poor Barian Emperors...having and deserving the same tribute as to the Arclight brothers...from the emotion I can see in the voice acting of them, I can see they really see themselves as irreplaceable allies who fight for a common cause despite it being antagonistic at first. I can really see the emotions played out there...

 

Jinlong's explanation about how the Numeron Code plays with Dragons being part of the world as we know was created seems silly to me...I mean some omnipotent dragon deity who had mysterious origins got emo and his tear made the Earth? .... *snickers*

 

Okay...so aside from that story, the dragons are indeed links to the Numeron Code. But there's a lot of things that are confusing me here. Apparently 107 represents Time and Photon Dragon represents space, and Dragluon outside of that is the Legendary Number that can counter against Tachyon, which is an Over-Hundred Number. The Legend says if Tachyon and Photon clashed, "the gate to the new world will be opened", or in other words, the path to the Numeron Code will be revealed. There's no doubt Photon's origins were primarily from the Barian World when it was created by Dr. Faker and Mr. Heartland , but Astral did point out its energy was similar to that of the Astral World according to the Wikia. And while Dragluon is needed to have Mizael's memories return and free influence of Don Thousand, Mizael in his past age must have looked like some chosen one that tamed Dragluon until he accepted Tachyon before his death. And finally, the 4th omnipotent dragon, Prime Photon...

 

It's hard trying to piece the puzzle here, but there's a lot of possibilities. But then I feel like if the world had its origins from an original dragon, then there seems to be an uncanny similarity with the Signer Dragons (maybe like emissaries?).

 

The Barian Emperors were actually really solid characters because they weren't evil. Their reason for fighting isn't about world domination or hurting people. Durbe represented this ideal nicely until Nasch's return. Each of the other lords he sent to Earth, he more or less wished them luck and said he was counting on them. At their root, the Barians' only desire was to save the Barian World from destruction. Admittedly, this required them to attack the Astral World, but I feel like there may have been something missing from the explanation. The Astral World was well aware that the Barians were attacking them. And to deal with that threat, they gave Astral the mission of destroying the Barian World. It feels like this is a looping cycle.

 

At this time, Don Thousand was sealed. Admittedly, the attacks did come from Dr. Faker, who was more or less in a contract with Vector, who is the most evil of the Barians other than Don Thousand.

 

Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon is the ruler of space AND time. Photon Dragon is the ruler of Light.

 

From what I gathered of the 4 dragons and their connection:

 

-Dragluon (No.46) was the Legendary Number connected to Mizael, based on a dragon he had tamed. He was reknowned as a dragon tamer.

-No.107 is the Over-Hundred Number Don Thousand used to modify Mizael's memories and destiny. It was pretty much explicitly stated that a shaman had manipulated people to go after Mizael's dragon, and killed them both. We know that shaman is Don Thousand.

-Photon Dragon resonates with Tachyon, but it also resonates with Dragluon. There is clearly a connection between the three. Mizael and Jinlong both Dueled Kaito with the explicit stakes of their respective dragons.

 

No.62's relevence is not known yet. However, it's a Number, just like the other 2, also making it an Xyz. However, its name is Galaxy-Eyes Prime Photon Dragon. Is Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon a derivative of Prime Photon? Is it a clone or derivative of No.107? Is Prime Photon an evolution of Photon Dragon? We're not sure, and we won't know until it appears.

[~British Soul~]

It's possible that Number 62 could have an effect if Galaxy-Eyes is used as an Xyz material, like NGEPD, but like evilfusion said, we won't know until it appears.

[TFMegamanlan]

Yep.

We had Yugi vs Atem, then Judai vs Yugi, then Yusei vs Jack, so I think it's inevitable that the last duel will be against either Astral or Kaito. Or maybe his own dad if they want to go in that direction. But not Don Thousand.


Um, you do remember that the last duel in GX was Judai vs Yugi, right? The duel against Darkness was two episodes prior to that.

I did note before that I don't count that as the true end of GX (as when the duel happened, the plot was already done. It ended with Darkness being destroyed and didn't really tie in the Yugi duel much at all.) the Yugi event was kinda just to tie up loose ends and even in the show didn't seem to fit that great into the entire role of the series. It just seemed to happen, and didnt really finish the plot like Yugi vs. Atem did.
So even though it is the Official end of GX I don't call it that because the series could have easily ended without the duel happening and nothing would have been different. And it had that feeling that the 1st Movie did, that it was thrown in at the last minute but was kindof inconsequential.

[TFMegamanlan]

I know that I've been out of the loop on ZeXal for a while now, but has the anime ever explained more about the Door in Yumas dreams? Saying that he'll lose someone most dear to him? I'm assuming this will most likely relate to Astral now confirming that Yuma must duel Astral at the end of the series?

Not that I can think off...

[Merci]

I did note before that I don't count that as the true end of GX (as when the duel happened, the plot was already done. It ended with Darkness being destroyed and didn't really tie in the Yugi duel much at all.) the Yugi event was kinda just to tie up loose ends and even in the show didn't seem to fit that great into the entire role of the series. It just seemed to happen, and didnt really finish the plot like Yugi vs. Atem did.
So even though it is the Official end of GX I don't call it that because the series could have easily ended without the duel happening and nothing would have been different. And it had that feeling that the 1st Movie did, that it was thrown in at the last minute but was kindof inconsequential.

 

I don't think you understand. It was very, very, very important for Judai to have dueled Yugi.

 

[spoiler=Why?]

 

Well, if you compare GX Seasons 1 and 4, you can see how much Judai's changed - to put it simply, he lost his love for dueling after having dueled seriously, with lives on the line, for so long. And this was a bad thing. Considering that he'd just dueled against Darkness itself, with the lives of everyone on the planet on the line, can you imagine how much it affected him mentally?

 

If you watch through Season 4, you can see how all the other characters are worried about the new Judai. He just can't have fun in a duel anymore. I mean, you wouldn't be able to have fun in a card game if people kept dying all the time due to your own mistakes, right?.If the last few episodes hadn't occurred, who knows how he might've turned out? He may have quit dueling altogether and become a sad politician instead.

 

That's why he needed Yugi, the King of Games, in order to respark that passion that he had at the start of the show. That bubbling self. That guy who liked to rap exclaim fun things and loved dueling. In case you've forgotten, it was Yugi who gave him Winged Kuriboh in the first episode upon seeing his potential. Hence, it gives off a certain finality that defeating Darkness would never have.

 

You say 'nothing would be different', and that is absolutely wrong. You disregarded Judai's negative development as a duelist, and i turn, insulted the very card game itself, because the game of Duel Monsters - ever since Pegasus invented it - has always supposed to be a children's card game to be enjoyed. Not a weapon that constantly brings about misery and despair.

 

For Yugi and Atem, it was symbolic to conduct the farewell ritual through dueling, and both of them had fun while doing so. They brought out their strongest tactics, with even the Egyptian Gods coming into play, and the last defense was - naturally - Dark Magician, which was conquered by Yugi, who'd grown through his experiences. It brought about a finality that led to Atem's final disappearance, and Yugi's growing up.

 

Why didn't the original series just end when Zorc was defeated? After all, Horakhty Himself said that there wouldn't be anymore threats to the world, and surely it wouldn't be difficult to just write in a simple solution for Atem to move on. This is because that even though Atem had solved his problems and saved the world, there still remained Yugi. There needed to be a proper conclusion with Yugi.

 

For Yusei and Jack, it was a contest to truly determine which was the better duelist, and both of them had fun while doing so. They brought out their strongest tactics, with both their Signer Dragons coming into play at their strongest, and in the end, it wasn't Stardust Dragon but Junk Warrior that conquered Red Nova Dragon, showing just how much Yusei had learned through his experiences. It brought about a finality that led to their moving on into the world, and the Crimson Dragon taking away their Marks couldn't have made it anymore obvious.

 

Why didn't the 5Ds series just end when Z-one was defeated? After all, they showed that Yusei solved the Ener-D problem within three months, meaning that there wouldn't be anymore threats to the world, and there truly wasn't anything left but to depict each of the characters' futures. This is because that even though Yusei solved most of his problems and saved the world, there still remained a rivalry with another character (Jack) that had been established at the start of the series but did not yet have a proper conclusion, a rivalry that stemmed from their two simple yet conflicting ideals.

 

...And why didn't the GX series just end when Darkness was defeated? It's obvious. Because he lost the heart for dueling. Judai he was a brooding, lifeless husk throughout Season 4 of GX. He did all that he could, but you can't honestly believe him to enjoy dueling after what he'd been through.

 

If Yugi hadn't dueled against Atem in that final duel, then he would never have grown up. He would've stayed a coward, a boy too afraid to stand up for himself.

 

It's different for Judai. If he hadn't dueled against Yugi in that final duel, then he would never have recovered. He would've stayed a mentally-scarred...soldier. Not duelist, not player, but soldier. To put it simply, he grew up too much in a short span of time, and he needed to remember what it was like to be young again.

 

...

 

The show's called Yu-Gi-Oh, you know?

 

It's not like your typical anime, where, okay, the good guy manages to destroy the Big Bad and now the world is saved! Yay! In that anime, the guy is using swords or fighting stuff, and no doubt he'll go on to become a powerful hero. It's not like that in Yu-Gi-Oh. Sure, that kind of thing happens, but it's important to remember that ultimately, it's not about the fate of the world, or even the universe. It's about a children's card game.

 

And people are supposed to have fun playing it.

 

By disregarding the final ending of GX, you're disregarding Judai's development, and hence you're saying that he's better off as a wartorn soldier than an amazing, true duelist.

 

Now that you've read this (or at least I hope you have), I'd like you to return back to the last two episodes and rewatch them. Pay attention to what they're actually talking about, and how Judai reacts to everything.

 

With that done, I hope I've changed your mind.

 

[/spoiler]