evilfusion Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 It is possible that the Barians claimed the remaining Numbers, but that would be extreme, even with the million fake Numbers absorbing people for the Barian World. That means that suddenly, a little under 50% of all the Numbers immediately went to the Barians. I think what was meant by how Yuma, Kaito, III, and V were mentioned is that they're the ones who oppose them that have Numbers. Yuma has the majority, but shared a few with the others. The Barians need to claim all the Numbers eventually, and taking out their immediate (organized) threat who have Numbers is the next course of action. 49 Numbers doesn't seem right. Yuma had 50 post-WDC, according to Astral. I assume 1 of them is Number 32, which Shark was holding onto. Yuma then gained Numbers 66, 44, 54, and 64, and lost 96. Kaito got 46, Shark got 73 and 94 Yuma: 52 Shark: 3 No. 96: 2 Kaito: 1 Then he distributed Numbers to the Arclight siblings. Vector got Number 96's Numbers. For the sake of argument, Vector also has 1-4. Yuma: 46 Shark: 3 Vector: 6 Kaito: 1 III: 2 IV: 3 V: 1 Nasch got IV's Numbers, so now the score is: Yuma: 46 Nasch: 6 Vector: 6 Kaito: 1 III: 2 V: 1 --- 62 total in possessions Unknown: 38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 This is why my policy is if they don't explicitly state that the Number is fake, I'm assuming it's real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 On the subject of fake Numbers...episode 122 (Kaito vs Heartland) is subbed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMegamanlan Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I'm of the view that if they'd print something as useless as Goldrat, then they'll print them all. Also some of the Numbers have taken ages after being shown to get printed, like Thunder Spark tooks ages iirc. Combine with the fact that due to them being collectors cards, they can make another Number Hunters to try and earn a profit that way, because people will buy them as a collectors thing. Gold Rat is made because its junk. Konami will print junk cards just because they can and need extra junk in the sets. The ones that are extremely overpowered or support ideas that Konami may not like as much such as Cain's Doom and Abel's Doom or a Number that they may not be able to nerf well. (Although, with C69 I'm not sure they care about nerfing as much now) They'll obviously print all the useless ones, I'm concerned that the strong ones or some of the manga only Numbers may not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Le RAW: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16hi1m_yy-zexal-ii-54-127-sd_fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Gold Rat is made because its junk. Konami will print junk cards just because they can and need extra junk in the sets. The ones that are extremely overpowered or support ideas that Konami may not like as much such as Cain's Doom and Abel's Doom or a Number that they may not be able to nerf well. (Although, with C69 I'm not sure they care about nerfing as much now) They'll obviously print all the useless ones, I'm concerned that the strong ones or some of the manga only Numbers may not. Exactly: It was Junk and they printed it. That's not going to sell anywhere near as fething well as something great like 101 will. If they print the Junk Numbers they'll print the ones that are amazing just because the amazing ones sell better. Combine that with the 4 most broken numbers in the anime all got nerfed and printed (92, 88, 69 and 6). They can nerf them anyway. Cain and Abel will still get printed, even if they have to be nerfed to oblivion. Hell even the Manga nes like Tomahawk and Fran Ken got printed. It simply takes longer tp print Manga stuff because of the staggered release dates in comparason. They'll still get printed in all likelyhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More than 3 characters Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Exactly: It was Junk and they printed it. That's not going to sell anywhere near as fething well as something great like 101 will. If they print the Junk Numbers they'll print the ones that are amazing just because the amazing ones sell better. Combine that with the 4 most broken numbers in the anime all got nerfed and printed (92, 88, 69 and 6). They can nerf them anyway. Cain and Abel will still get printed, even if they have to be nerfed to oblivion. Hell even the Manga nes like Tomahawk and Fran Ken got printed. It simply takes longer tp print Manga stuff because of the staggered release dates in comparason. They'll still get printed in all likelyhood.In the case of Cain and Abel I wouldn't call what they need a nerf, since the way they work in the manga is actually detrimental to the user. Unless they make them into Acid Golem-esque monsters that you summon and then give your opponent control over them to screw them over. Or for maximum trollage, make them monsters that you can Xyz Summon to the opponent's side of the field. Hilarity would ensue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 The only Numbers we've seen that haven't been printed yet ae, 21, 52, 14, 13, 31, 82, 80, and 70. We don't even know what the last two do. The fact 31 and 13 will get different effects is a given. They probably will suck, but whatever. I'm sure 82 will get a different effect as well. We don't know the summoning conditions for 21 and 14. 80 was just announced the other day. That really only leaves 52. Something tells me they will nerf it, just because they can. I'm sure they will do another Numbers Hunter, and when they do, it will have more new Numbers from nowhere. I hope they'll be as good as the five we got in the first Numbers Hunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Apparently I heard that Yuma will use Number 54 against Alit, but I've seen no confirmation of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Apparently I heard that Yuma will use Number 54 against Alit, but I've seen no confirmation of that. I heard that too. It would explain why its in the opening. The fact he'll use Number 44 at some point is a given. If he uses 54, he'll most likely use 64 against Gilag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I heard that too. It would explain why its in the opening. The fact he'll use Number 44 at some point is a given. If he uses 54, he'll most likely use 64 against Gilag. 44 is definitely a possibility, but I'm kinda not sure on 64 though for soem reason. I guess all we can say is we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Yuma using 54 against Alit is kind of obvious. Not only is it the Legendary Number associated with him, but after their rematch, he was looking at 54 while lost in thought. If they DONT have him use it against Alit, it'd be a stupid buildup. Episode was pretty good. It's fun to see Mizael backed into a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faytl Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Yeah. I think at the end, he was flipping out because his Rank-Up card won't work on Tachyon while it's equipped (which means he seriously misplayed by Barian Chaos Drawing when he did). I like how III and V are taking active steps to stop him from using The Seventh One, first by V stopping him from using Spell cards to summon monsters, then just outright taking away Tachyon Dragon. I'm doubtful Yuma will use 64 against Gilag, given how it seems to require specific materials (not sure if the anime version needs Beasts). I'm not even sure if Yuma himself will duel Gilag, it might actually be Nasch, Durbe, or Merag once they figure out he's brainwashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I liked how III and V were able to create a sphere field with their crest bracelets, as well as the fact that they had an anti-RUM 7th One strategy in an attempt to screw Misael over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 III seems to do a lot of strategy supporting among the siblings. Like in the III/IV tag Duel against Yuma/Kaito, III and IV had a strategy against Galaxy-Eyes, but III used all the cards in it (Number Wall, Stonehedge Shield, Machu Mach). They created a Sphere Field, but I don't get its purpose. Is it so they can get the Over-Hundred Number(s) when they win? Is it to trap Durbe and Merag there? Some combination of both? To prevent other Barians from intervening? I missed why they created the Field when Durbe and Merag appeared. Unless the dialogue involved it somehow, I was disappointed by the interaction with Alit, Gilag, and Vector. This is the first time that all 3 of them were together in their humans forms not counting when all 7 of them appeared to Yuma's group. Yet as far as I can tell, none of them acknowledged the fact that Vector is Shingetsu, something that Alit and Gilag DID NOT KNOW the last time they were humans in the same place, and something Gilag REALLY needed to be aware of. Don Thousand seems to have gained enough power to be corporeal. Ever since getting Number 96, Vector acknowledged (with slight alarm) that Don Thousand had left his body. However, he only appeared as semi-shadow, and outright said he and Vector still shared a body and soul. Don Thousand has continued being merged with Vector. But in that scene, he appeared fully solid, and Alit and Gilag could see him. I'm really curious what the whole dialogue with Alit/Gilag/Vector was, too. Alit for some reason focused on Vector being a dick while being choked by Don Thousand, which I found hilarious without translations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 III seems to do a lot of strategy supporting among the siblings. Like in the III/IV tag Duel against Yuma/Kaito, III and IV had a strategy against Galaxy-Eyes, but III used all the cards in it (Number Wall, Stonehedge Shield, Machu Mach). I had actually forgotten that Number Wall was used in that tag duel tbqh, then again it was like 80 episodes ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Yeah, Number Wall was used to keep Machu Mach safe from Giant Killer (and later, Heaven's Strings) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faytl Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Well, I heard Mizael use the word "Yuma" when talking to Merag and Durbe, as in telling them to go after him, right before the field went up, so I think it was meant to trap them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Why do the Arclights have to di-er, get "sent to the stars"? Couldn't they have fought, like, Gilag or something and won? I really enjoy watching them interact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 They created a Sphere Field, but I don't get its purpose. Is it so they can get the Over-Hundred Number(s) when they win? Is it to trap Durbe and Merag there? V wanted all the Barian Emperors there, so that he and III could trap them there. Also here's Ark's translation for VecThousand and Alit/Gilag: [quote] Girag: なんだと！？ (Whaddja say!?) Girag: ナッシュを連れてバリアンに戻れだと？ ("Go ta Nasch and trick him to go back to the Barian World?") Vector: そうだ。 今 ナッシュと遊馬を 戦わせるわけにはいかないんでな。 (Yup. But we can't afford to fight both Nasch and Yuma.) Girag: どういうことだ？ (Whaddya mean?) Vector: それから アリト お前は引き続き 遊馬を捜せ。 (As for you, Alito, continue to search for Yuma.) Alito: 何？ (Huh?) Girag: ふざけんな ベクター！ (Gimme a break, Vector!) Alito: なぜ 俺たちが 貴様の命令に 従わなきゃならねえんだ！ (Why the hell should we keep listenin' to you!?) Vector: おいおい 誰が てめえらを眠りから 覚まさせてやったと思ってんだ？ (Oi oi, you two losers, who do you think woke you up for that long nap 'o yours?) Alito: はあ？ なに言ってんだ てめえ。 (Huh? What the heck are you sayin, ya freakin' stronzo!?) Vector: やれやれ こいつはもう一度 力を与えてやらなきゃダメってか？ (Good grief, do I need to give you two another juice-up before you stop being pieces of crap...?) Vector: ドン・サウザンドのな！ (Don Thousand!) Girag: ドン・サウザンドだと！？ (Don Thousand!?) Don Thousand: フハハハハ！ (Fwhahahaha!) Alito: こ こいつは！ (He... He's really...!) Girag: まさか！？ (No way!!) Don Thousand: 我の更なる力を お前たちに与えてやろう。 フハハハ！ (Let me give you a further taste of my power. Fwhahaha!) Alito: てめえ ベクター！ (Vector, you...!) Alito: ドン・サウザンドの力をお前が！ (Don Thousand's Power, you idiot...!) Alito: ぐっ…。 (Gwah!) Vector: これで お前らは俺の操り人形。 (Now, you two are my puppets.) Vector: しっかり働いてくれよ ハハハハ！ (Now let's get to work, HAHAHAHA!) [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Why do the Arclights have to di-er, get "sent to the stars"? Couldn't they have fought, like, Gilag or something and won? I really enjoy watching them interact. They just go to the Barian World. That's not nearly on the level of death-censoring as GX's dub. Especially since the GX original said they died, only to reveal they didn't really die. Zexal isn't even explicitly claiming they die, but they definitely do a death equivalent that's reversible. The whole point of the Arclight siblings returning was to help them fend off the Barians. They started with III helping Yuma fend off the first Barian assassin, and give information and some element of comfort post-Astral's death. V's purpose was to actually give Yuma the ability to get Astral back. And now, they're serving the next purpose of directly fighting the Barians. I think last episode, V said to III that Yuma/Astral aren't ready yet to fight the Barians head-on, so they're buying Yuma time. That was one reason why IV challenged Nasch. In the same sense that Anna, Fuya, Gauche, Droite, Tetsuo, Yamikawa, and Rokujuro fought the Barians and lost, the Arclight siblings are also going to be sacrifices to the Barians. But unlike the previous ones, these characters actually can wield Numbers, including their own Rank-Up Magic. Not only will it showcase their strength, but it'll show that the Barians may actually be stronger. IV's defeat informed III and V about the new Rank-Up Magic (somehow, since they didn't see the Duel), and that got them to prepare a strategy to fight against Mizael. But Mizael is Kaito's foe, so it's clear the siblings won't win. Hopefully that'll give Tron a chance to appear again. Gilag is a joke among the Barians, seriously. His character design as a human is ridiculous-looking, his plans tend to fall apart to the point where he even pissed off Alit by having about 20 brainwashed Duelists attack Yuma simultaneously (an absurdly low trick). He gained credibility as a foe in the tag Duel, but Shingetsu's strategy was almost suicidal and pathetic and Yuma used half his resources trying to protect him. Then when he returned...we learn his Legendary Number is a Tanuki, and he gets body-swapped with a statue. So yeah, if Gilag fought the siblings, he'd probably get crushed. But that wouldn't be nearly as satisfying as watching Mizael squirm. As for who will actually end up being Gilag's opponent...I have no idea. He has a grudge against Yuma specifically, and Yuma's the protagonist as always. Thanks for translation! Interesting...Vector actually had Don Thousand give them more power (in exchange for their free will, apparently). Hmm...I'm curious why Vector seems to think they have to fight against Nasch. Or if he just wants the Barians to think they're against Nasch. Or if Don Thousand has an issue with Nasch's return. The last provided translation mentioned that Don Thousand himself was shocked by RUM - The Seventh One. And I noticed that in the last subbed episode (Kaito vs Heartland), Vector lamented they still didn't have the Numeron Code, and Don Thousand replied that he didn't care, and that as long as the Astral World vanishes, he'll still acheive his goal. Vector had an odd expression at that point, and I'm thinking that Vector in some way is concerned about Don Thousand. After all, Vector revived Don Thousand for his own life, in exchange for power to defeat Yuma and Astral. While definitely pleased with his increase of power, Vector is being screwed over, as expected by a demon contract. Don Thousand has the ability to cause him pain on a whim, threatens him to some degree, and rarely explains anything while being cryptic. When Don Thousand started with the Fake Numbers, explaining he planned to fuse the human and Barian worlds, Vector was first surprised by the idea, then Don Thousand went semi-psychotic, demanding more power so he can destroy the Astral World. Vector was noticeably alarmed. VECTOR was alarmed by Don Thousand going briefly psychotic. In any case, I wonder whether Vector realizes how disposable he is once Don Thousand doesn't need to rely on his body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Well to sum things up, no matter what the Arclight brothers, no matter how skilled they are at developing counters-strategies and a kept up offense, they will always lose because of the damn main protagonists deserving the heads of the Barian Nanako. After viewing the full effect of C6, we can tell that Mizael after all can overcome the deadly strategy....somehow. It's like the good guys are narrowing down on the villain and the show ends off like, "What can I do in this impossible situation and turn it around?" Yuma and Don Thousand's duel or whatever has got to be promising, I know it. Also, I've noticed how the Barian Nanako can change to human form and Barian form whenever they want but yet they needlessly change out of their true forms...isn't the human world a giant Barian Sphere field? Is the world still a bit unstable? Or is it matters to disguise themselves or something? Or save their powers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Well, we saw them all arrive on Earth in human form. Then they dramatically revealed themselves simultaneously. From that point on, until the end of Nasch's Duel, they were all in Barian form (Nasch briefly slipped out of it when taking damage). Even in Barian Sphere Fields, the Barians actively choose to switch to their Barian forms. I suspect it does use energy in some form, and it's easier to be in Barian form when they actively require their Barian powers. Very early on in Zexal II, it was mentioned that Barians in the human world couldn't use their Barian powers, and that the Barian's Sphere Field would allow them to do so. The worlds are merging, but it isn't complete. So they probably have limitations on using their Barian forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 The outline of C9 I presume: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 The outline of C9 I presume: Heraldry Lord, might I ask? How do you get all this information and translation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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