Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXal Sub/Manga Official Discussion Thread

[Aerion Brightflame]

I noticed it. It just didn't seem right to me that they'd introduce these 4 numbers to all be fakes.

 

Of course it's all much more plausable now given the million numbers.

[~British Soul~]

I also noticed it, but I agree with Barty, it does seem like a cop out to introduce 4 new Numbers only for the writers to potentially turn around and say "The Numbers that were given to Heartland are fakes."

 

Of course if they are fakes, one has to think what happened to the real versions, maybe Don Thousand/Vector thought that Heartland was gonna mess up, thus as an insurance policy, gave him 4 fake Numbers, telling him that they are real. (And that they still have the real ones)

[Jord200]

I also noticed it, but I agree with Barty, it does seem like a cop out to introduce 4 new Numbers only for the writers to potentially turn around and say "The Numbers that were given to Heartland are fakes."

 

Of course if they are fakes, one has to think what happened to the real versions, maybe Don Thousand/Vector thought that Heartland was gonna mess up, thus as an insurance policy gave him 4 fake Numbers, telling him that they are real. (And that they still have the real ones)

 

 

That would make sense. A last resort, just incase worst comes to worst.  It would be a pity though. I kind of liked 1 and 3. However, if the fake Number 10 is anything to go by, they may have the exact same effects.

[~British Soul~]

That would make sense. A last resort, just incase worst comes to worst.  It would be a pity though. I kind of liked 1 and 3. However, if the fake Number 10 is anything to go by, they may have the exact same effects.

Yeah, it is the most logical thing to do. I kinda liked Number 4 for some obscure reason.

[Faytl]

Hooo boy, the Nasch/Vector faceoff begins. This is gonna be epic.

Kinda doubt they'll pull that with 1-4. Makes no sense.

[heraldry_lord]

Hooo boy, the Nasch/Vector faceoff begins. This is gonna be epic.

Kinda doubt they'll pull that with 1-4. Makes no sense.

 

This isn't speculation.  Vector came right out and said it:

 

[quote]

Vector: （笑い声） (*Laugh*)
Vector: ナンバーズ１の召喚か。 (Number 1 was Summoned?)
Vector: これで　お膳立ては揃ったな… (With this, my preparations are complete.)
Vector: ククク。 (Kukuku.)
Mr. Heartland: １こそ　すべての始まり。 (One is the beginning of everything.)
Mr. Heartland: ナンバーズの頂点。 (The Apex of the Numbers!)
Mr. Heartland: ひれ伏すがいい！ (You should get on your knees and grovel!)
Mr. Heartland: 出席番号１　ナンバーズ　１！ (Number 1 in Attendance! Number 1!)
Kaito: くだらん。 (Idiot.)
Mr. Heartland: 貴様！ (Why you...!)
Mr. Heartland: 恐怖の制裁を下してやる！ (I'm gonna beat fear into you!)
Mr. Heartland: インフェクション・バアル・ゼブルは 召喚したとき (When Infection Baal Zeboul is Summoned...)
Mr. Heartland: 相手のエクストラデッキのモンスター１体を 墓地に送る。 (A monster is sent from my opponent's Extra Deck to the Graveyard.)
Mr. Heartland: 貴様のエクストラデッキには シャドー・モスキートがあるはず。 (Shadow Mosquito should be in your Extra Deck.)
Kaito: シャドー・モスキート？ (Shadow Mosquito)
Mr. Heartland: 蚊忍者から奪ったナンバーズさ。 (The Number you took from Mosquito Ninja.)
Kaito: いったい何を？ (What the heck?)
Mr. Heartland: 私は　そのナンバーズ２ シャドー・モスキートを墓地へ送る。 (I send that Number 2 to the Graveyard.)
Kaito: うわぁ～っ！！ (UWaaaah!!)
Vector: ヒヒヒヒヒ！　そうだ！ (Hihihihihi! That's it!)
Vector: 貴様らが今まで バリアンの刺客から奪ったナンバーズは すべて　ニセモノよ。 (The Numbers you idiots took from my Barian assassins are all a buncha fakes!)
Vector: そいつは　一度入れられ 根を張ると　ひっこ抜かれるとき バリアンズフィールドの負荷エネルギーが 数倍発生する。 (By letting them take root in your Decks, the energy load of the Barian's Field is buncha times greater when they come out!)
Vector: 人間の貴様には とてつもない　ダメージよ。 (You friggin' humans won't be able to take that much damage!)

[/quote]

[Dementuo]

Well, that explains the "Damage is x100 worse" bit.

[Faytl]

Huh. Well that's annoying.

Bet you anything Konami will make them as is if/when they get released. 

 

Man, I cannot WAIT to see Vector get his comeupance for the whole Nasch thing. Bet Shark is going to do something diabolically awesome.

[evilfusion]

I'll be fine with those Numbers being fake so long as the actual versions are identical. It'd be a stupid fake-out for the real Numbers 2-4 to be completely different cards. And it'd be a decent twist because with Astral gone at the time, they didn't have a way to confirm the Numbers' validity. And considering that Don Thousand's Numbers have the exact same effects as the Astral counterparts, hopefully, Numbers 2-4 will be the same effects/stats.

 

If Vector outright said the Numbers the Barian assassins had were fakes, I'm curious whether Number 1 is also a fake, or if only 2-4 were. Furthermore, who possesses the real versions?

 

Amusingly, if they're all fakes, it brings to mind that I had wondered where Don Thousand had gotten those 4 Numbers, and how long he had them.

 

Next episode shows Nasch with like...7 Numbers around him. Perhaps those are Numbers 1-4, 32, 73, and 94?

[Jord200]

It could be. That or the Legendary Numbers, though this is unlikely since they only have two of them. Or the Over-100 Numbers. Also....

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmCnRkTW4rw

 

At :26.... Is that Mr. Heartland....?

[~British Soul~]

Number 101 guys:

[evilfusion]

Huh...clever. So Number 101 is Silent Honor Ark Knight, the name spelled with SH to make it Sh-Ark Knight. And C101 is SH-Dark Knight.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Huh...clever. So Number 101 is Silent Honor Ark Knight, the name spelled with SH to make it Sh-Ark Knight. And C101 is SH-Dark Knight.

Bravo, ZEXAL card makers.
Speaking of Shark/Nasch, anyone find his reasoning for defecting to the Barians to be stupid?
So, all of the people who died in the Vector-Nasch War got reincarnated as Barians, and Nasch somehow became their leader, until something happened to make him leave.
Therefore, in order to protect his subjects, Nasch must...destroy the world he used to live in as a human...by working together with the monstrous prince who got them turned into Barians in the first place...
Anyone seeing a problem here?

[~British Soul~]

ZEXAL morph v3.0

 

EDIT:

Le RAW: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15bo7o_yy-zexal-ii-50-123-sd_fun

[evilfusion]

Odd episode. I totally knew Yuma would use that epic, epic card. You know the one.

[More than 3 characters]

Yuma winning with GEPD instead of Utopia? Who are you and what have you done to our protagonist?

[heraldry_lord]

Speaking of Shark/Nasch, anyone find his reasoning for defecting to the Barians to be stupid?
So, all of the people who died in the Vector-Nasch War got reincarnated as Barians, and Nasch somehow became their leader, until something happened to make him leave.
Therefore, in order to protect his subjects, Nasch must...destroy the world he used to live in as a human...by working together with the monstrous prince who got them turned into Barians in the first place...
Anyone seeing a problem here?

 

Well to be fair, he never really left the Barians of his free will, because Vector "killed" him, and he had no memories of being in their ranks.

[~British Soul~]

Odd episode. I totally knew Yuma would use that epic, epic card. You know the one.

Yeah... it's just like in the original series when Yugi took over from Kaiba in his duel with Noah and beat him with BEWD.

[Jord200]

Yay for Anna and Fuya being back next week.

[evilfusion]

Yeah... it's just like in the original series when Yugi took over from Kaiba in his duel with Noah and beat him with BEWD.

 

Well, in that Duel, Yugi combined his Deck with Kaiba's current Deck, plus continued the Duel with the same standings, including hands. In Zexal, whenever characters take over Duels from other players (Kaito and Yuma have done it for one another), they draw 5 cards and continue the Duel with only the same LP. Granted, those games are usually barely starting.

 

So in this episode, Nasch had those 7 cards floating around him, and one of them was revealed to be Number 101. Pretty sure that Number 32, 73, and 94 make up others among them, but what else might he have?

 

Next episode should be interesting at least. I hadn't even remembered that the Barian lords take a human form when on Earth, and therefore, Nasch would appear as Shark in his human form.

 

To answer TFF about Shark "defecting", it would be the same problem in reverse. If Shark continued to fight against the Barians, then it's a case of Nasch defecting for no reason. His whole reason for fighting the Barians was because they, with Tron/IV as the actual instigator, hurt Rio. Well, Rio's also a Barian, and both of them had lost their memories. Even if they know Vector betrayed Nasch and Merag in some form, that doesn't change what allegiance they're supposed to have. Fighting the Barians and enabling Astral to destroy the Barian World would probably result in THEM being destroyed.

 

Shark acknowledged that this fate, of becoming an enemy to his friends, is cruelly ironic.

 

Meanwhile, what the HELL were the odds that Tron would choose Shark as his designated assassin to take down Faker? He literally chose one of the 7 Barian lords, with neither of them having any idea that would happen. Based on the backstory, Tron's plan took place FAR in advance. Similarly, what are the odds that the first Number coming to Earth would come to Shark?

 

Shark also seems to have been the only character (early Zexal 1) to be possessed by a Number, but still remember it.

[~British Soul~]

Well, in that Duel, Yugi combined his Deck with Kaiba's current Deck, plus continued the Duel with the same standings, including hands. In Zexal, whenever characters take over Duels from other players (Kaito and Yuma have done it for one another), they draw 5 cards and continue the Duel with only the same LP. Granted, those games are usually barely starting.

Well that aside, the Yugi/Kaiba vs Noah duel was what came to mind when Yuma beat Heartland.

[heraldry_lord]

Meanwhile, what the HELL were the odds that Tron would choose Shark as his designated assassin to take down Faker? He literally chose one of the 7 Barian lords, with neither of them having any idea that would happen. Based on the backstory, Tron's plan took place FAR in advance. Similarly, what are the odds that the first Number coming to Earth would come to Shark?

 

Shark also seems to have been the only character (early Zexal 1) to be possessed by a Number, but still remember it.

 

inb4 the Numeron Code or Don Thousand had something to do with it

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Well to be fair, he never really left the Barians of his free will, because Vector "killed" him, and he had no memories of being in their ranks.

To answer TFF about Shark "defecting", it would be the same problem in reverse. If Shark continued to fight against the Barians, then it's a case of Nasch defecting for no reason. His whole reason for fighting the Barians was because they, with Tron/IV as the actual instigator, hurt Rio. Well, Rio's also a Barian, and both of them had lost their memories. Even if they know Vector betrayed Nasch and Merag in some form, that doesn't change what allegiance they're supposed to have. Fighting the Barians and enabling Astral to destroy the Barian World would probably result in THEM being destroyed.

 

Shark acknowledged that this fate, of becoming an enemy to his friends, is cruelly ironic.

Then why not work with Yuma to kick Vector's ass (Nasch is the LEADER of the Barian Emperors, not Vector. He could probably get Dumon and the others to turn against the little prick) and make peace between the three worlds so they DON'T have to fight and destroy each other?

Also, from what you said, Nasch and his sister got killed by Vector TWICE. Doesn't he have any grudge against his new "comrade" that might want him to stop this?

[Dementuo]

So aside from the gushing about [spoiler=Literal spoiler]OH MY GOD YUMA USED GALAXY-EYES FOR THE WIN QUITE LITERALLY FOR THE WIN JFC THAT IS THE BEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN THIS SERIES[/spoiler]

 

I also noticed that Yuma's ZeXaL form resembles Hope more and more with each change.

[evilfusion]

Yeah, I did notice how similar to Utopia the new Zexal was. I chose not to care.

 

Everyone hates Vector. But he's still extremely good at making plans and is definitely not someone you want opposing you. Also, there may be something more to Nasch's memories being awakened that affects how Shark handles this type of conflict.