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Likewise, Vector's past self died in a different way, although it could be said that the legends, being legends, are inaccurate to some degree. Then again, Mach, being the spirit of Durbe's pegasus, confirmed the events the legends said.

 

I'm not even convinced that Durbe DIED in that battle. I know the army and Iris did, but I don't recall Durbe being killed on-screen, or even his body. I wouldn't be surprised if he survived that battle.

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Likewise, Vector's past self died in a different way, although it could be said that the legends, being legends, are inaccurate to some degree. Then again, Mach, being the spirit of Durbe's pegasus, confirmed the events the legends said.

 

I'm not even convinced that Durbe DIED in that battle. I know the army and Iris did, but I don't recall Durbe being killed on-screen, or even his body. I wouldn't be surprised if he survived that battle.

I'm pretty sure he survived and went back to his own kingdom, wherein his own legend occurs.

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 I...WHAT?!? Did Vector just die facing Nasch in the past? How did that happen?

What about Vector's legend, where he went on to murder his entire kingdom then commit suicide? Did Durbe change history by showing Nasch his past?

And while we're on the subject of plotholes, why does Abyss Splash still have the number seventy-three printed on it when the Numbers didn't exist until after Astral came to Earth?

Why was it then played as a Number in Nasch and Vector's duel?

Why do they duel using Battle City rules thousands of years before Battle City was even a thing?

Why do the Spell/Trap Cards used by Nasch and Vector still call themselves Magic and Trap Cards, when they aren't cards, but tablets?

Why do they both say 'draw' when beginning their turn when the word 'draw' only makes sense in the context of the card game?

>w< I think I feel another mental breakdown coming on...

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 I...WHAT?!? Did Vector just die facing Nasch in the past? How did that happen?

What about Vector's legend, where he went on to murder his entire kingdom then commit suicide? Did Durbe change history by showing Nasch his past?

And while we're on the subject of plotholes, why does Abyss Splash still have the number seventy-three printed on it when the Numbers didn't exist until after Astral came to Earth?

Why was it then played as a Number in Nasch and Vector's duel?

Why do they duel using Battle City rules thousands of years before Battle City was even a thing?

Why do the Spell/Trap Cards used by Nasch and Vector still call themselves Magic and Trap Cards, when they aren't cards, but tablets?

Why do they both say 'draw' when beginning their turn when the word 'draw' only makes sense in the context of the card game?

>w< I think I feel another mental breakdown coming on...

What if Astral was an influential deity in this past, lending his powers (the numbers) as he saw fit? Considering how different he is from the other Astrals and everything else regarding him…

 

 

Kind if reminds me of the other weird plotholes in Zexal, like how there re cards that support Numbers and cards that show Number monsters in the artwork when that doesn't make any real SENSE...

What if the support cards were created along with the numbers when someone got them? Considering the whole deal with the Numbers being created to fit the character, it isn't impossible to imagine it doing the same thing to the deck. Also, Astral was generally there with Yuma when he rebuilt his decks, so he might just have, I don't know, provided the support.

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@FinalFan: Even though you basically copied and pasted it from what Rebster6 said on Fanfic.net, I would rather post my response here. The reason is quite obvious why.

 

 

 I...WHAT?!? Did Vector just die facing Nasch in the past? How did that happen?

What about Vector's legend, where he went on to murder his entire kingdom then commit suicide? Did Durbe change history by showing Nasch his past?

 

 

We cannot jump to conclusions with so little knowledge of the Barian's past lives. Vector could have just vanished/teleported, or it might be another Vector clone. I know you're going to say that's ridiculous, but Don Thousand is likely to be the mastermind behind the Barian Emperor's becoming Barian's in the first place. He did just create a “Game of Darkness” (Nostalgia FTW), which in ZEXAL Canon would more or less only be created by someone like Don Thousand.

 

Again, we have only little knowledge to jump to conclusions. We don't know if Vector really died by losing the duel. But if he did, then maybes the legend at 65's ruins was wrong or Vector might have reincarnated like Rio seems to have.

 

Concerning Durbe changing history by showing Nasch his past. No. Just no. Normally in fictional programs the future ends up being changed by some random guy going backwards in time and doing stupid stuff in the past. Not vice versa, if you could count it as vice versa. That is the real life equivalent to finding out the answer to a question you were solving is wrong. Does your past suddenly change? Besides. Even though we have little knowledge of the Barian's past lives, I doubt that derp - I mean Durbe is secretly a time traveler from the future. Even though I strongly doubt Durbe changed Nasch's past, that doesn't really stop ZEXAL from saying that he did (But if they do, they will probably need ZEXAL III to clear up all the plot holes. ZEXAL II totally has enough room to fix its own plot holes, when quite a lot of its space is fixing ZEXAL I's plotholes.).

 

 

And while we're on the subject of plotholes, why does Abyss Splash still have the number seventy-three printed on it when the Numbers didn't exist until after Astral came to Earth?             

 

 

I have a mixed opinion on that statement. Sure it looks like a plothole. However, with the information that we have got from recent episodes, I disagree that it is a plothole. Lets see:

 

-The Astral World and the Barian World were once one. So when the Barian Emperor's died, they would have been part of the Astral World BEFORE Astral was created. I assume Astral sealing Don Thousand was when the Astral World and the Barian World split.

 

-Astral was created by Eliphas, the will of the Astral World. Eliphas is one with the Astral World, so Astral's features are that of the Astral World and its denizens. And that explains why the Legendary Numbers are part of the 99 or 100 proper Numbers.

 

-Number 96 is a shard of malice that Don Thousand embedded into Astral during their thousand years ago battle. Sure we know that Numbers are part of Astral, but maybes the Numbers existed before Astral came to Earth. After all, his mission is to destroy the Barian World to enable the Astral World to rank-up, not collect Numbers.

 

I hope you understand what I am saying. Because the Numbers are part of the Astral World, they would have came before the legends.

 

 

Actually, I have a second alternative and more likely theory/explanation. Shark's memories is well, memories. When you remember stuff, you don't remember EXACTLY what happened - unless you've got photographic memory. Have you ever looked back at something 10+ years ago and become slightly uncertain of what happened during *insert event*? Nevermind thousands of years ago. In episode 108/109, Shark wasn't called Nasch by his soldiers. He was only called Nasch now because he has learned that he could potentially be Nasch.

 

 

Why do they duel using Battle City rules thousands of years before Battle City was even a thing?

 

 

There's a plothole. The only thing I can think of is that the writers have hinted about ZEXAL being an alternative universe.

 

 

Why do the Spell/Trap Cards used by Nasch and Vector still call themselves Magic and Trap Cards, when they aren't cards, but tablets?

 

 

I admit, I know barely anything about Japanese. But looking at Ark's translation, they didn't say cards. For example, they normally ended their turns saying “I set x Stone Tablets face-down and end my turn,” or activated a card such as Molten to Escape the Present like “I activate the Spell, Molting to Escape the Present,”

 

 

Why do they both say 'draw' when beginning their turn when the word 'draw' only makes sense in the context of the card game?

 

 

Again, I don't know Japanese so you might as well ask a translator this question. But I do know that when translating, there are awkward moments that they will have to come up with a placeholder or something that basically gets the point out in our language. Well here's your placeholder. To expand on my point, I heard a difference between the draw chants in episode 120 to the usual draw chants.

 

 

>w< I think I feel another mental breakdown coming on...

 

 

It feels quite amusing that when looking back at the first Arc that it would develop into this. Hopefully the writers don't make Mirai's return next episode look confusing.

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I chose not to think about it too much. Shark's "memories" tend to be more like hallucinations and dreams than most memories. He doesn't seem to be remembering so much as experiencing. At the ruins with Number 73/94, part of Shark/Nasch's behavior and mood was influenced by the fact he, as Shark, had no idea where the hell he was or what he was expected to do. This could carry over fine to the 'character' of Nasch he was playing in that scenario, but that still implies that the memories Shark saw were NOT the original memories, but a replication of the events.

 

I think a similar event is occurring here, too. Shark consistently referred to Nasch's sister as "Rio", because that's how he identifies her image. However, he was never called Nasch OR Ryoga by her or anyone else until during Durbe's memory recall...thing. It's expected there would be deviations because Shark is not observing the events. He is actively experiencing them in the role of someone else (technically).

 

As for Vector's deviation, Past!Vector had shown a knowledge and penchant for wielding sacrifical magic and contracts. The fact he started a Game of Darkness/Shadow Game using stone tablet Duel Monsters as the medium seems INCREDIBLY weird and contradicts the entire concept of the game's origin. I think this could be a deviation in memory. Shark's consciousness is aware of Duel Monsters, and therefore could have "translated" the actual Game of Darkness' mechanics into something he would understand better as a participant.

 

In fact, it was explicitly called Duel Monsters. Which was the name Pegasus made for the card game far into the future. There is no logical way any past!character would be able to call it that name.

 

For all we know, Vector and Nasch's past Duel used different rules that past!Nasch would have been more familiar with, but would have utterly baffled Shark in his role (such as Dueling the way Atem's era would have). It's a stretch for a justification as to why the writers did it that way, but it sort of makes sense.

 

Also, Vector's legend says he committed suicide, but losing a Shadow Game resulting in death could have been SEEN as a suicide to others. Besides, if past!Vector executed his people to an absurd degree, who bore witness to his suicide? There's also the possibility he didn't die after losing. This actually seems consistent with his character, to have narrowly escaped with his life, then gone to lengths to give himself more power, even at the cost of his own life. Rather than suicide out of despair or remorse, maybe he killed himself specifically to become a Barian. After losing to Zexal II, he did offer Don Thousand his life for power. I could see him doing the same thing, only doing it to be absorbed into the Barian world.

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It doesn't look like Don Thousand's emblem to me. The first thing to came to mind when I saw it on the wiki was the Tron family emblem.

 

 

Now that you mention it, and I take a closer look, yeah. I guess "Chaos" and it being a Rank-Up, I don't know. I just thought of Don Thousand for some reason. I bet IV will use this against Shark/Nasche. You think Giant Killer will get a Chaos Number too? I'm pretty sure Destiny Leo won't.

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Interesting. A new Rank-Up Magic, representing Chaos. Next episode preview does seem to look something like Kaito's Numbers from the Extra Deck being corrupted/transformed into Chaos Overlay Units. Whether C40 or Urgent Chaos is involved with next episode, no idea.

 

And it's nice to see other Numbers getting Chaos forms, especially for Ranks other than 4.

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Now that you mention it, and I take a closer look, yeah. I guess "Chaos" and it being a Rank-Up, I don't know. I just thought of Don Thousand for some reason. I bet IV will use this against Shark/Nasch. You think Giant Killer will get a Chaos Number too? I'm pretty sure Destiny Leo won't.

1. Yuma still has Destiny Leo

2. I don't think Giant Killer will get a Chaos Number form

 

Interesting. A new Rank-Up Magic, representing Chaos. Next episode preview does seem to look something like Kaito's Numbers from the Extra Deck being corrupted/transformed into Chaos Overlay Units. Whether C40 or Urgent Chaos is involved with next episode, no idea.

Kaito is dueling Heartland in the next episode.

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