Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXal Sub/Manga Official Discussion Thread

[evilfusion]

But they aren't Numbers, right? So what, they're like called "New Orders 1" or similar?

[~British Soul~]

But they aren't Numbers, right? So what, they're like called "New Orders 1" or similar?

Yeah, two of his cards are known to us by name only: New Orders 4 and New Orders 6.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Apparently, the number of the New Orders corresponds to their Rank.

[~British Soul~]

That makes sense tbh, in fact I was thinking that they would.

[Northern Sage]

Also, his cards are egyptian-themed. (Etheric Anubis and Etheric Apophis)

I like them.

So there's more fuel to my theory about Astral…

[heraldry_lord]

Here's the RAW for today's episode.

[~British Soul~]

Le RAW: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13nzdu_yu-gi-oh-zexal-ii-episode-118-yuma-vs-proto-v1y_fun

(S***, ninja'd by heraldry_lord, f***.)

 

I always figured Master Key Beetle was a Number that was hunted by Vector.

I know it'll never be explained, but it'd be cool if they explained how Vector got the card tbh.

[~British Soul~]

Le RAW: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x141oj1_yy-zexal-ii-46-119-sd_fun

[Northern Sage]

Conceptually a very interesting duel. How Eliphas, like Astral, can manipulate the game like that and bring Yuma seemingly to the verge of defeat. Brings more fuel to my theory.

We're not in the clear what exactly is going on with Astral, though…

[Sleepy]

Personally, I think they should have dedicated an episode to talk about Shark's backstory, and another one to the duel in the Astral World.

Both sides are getting good, but the way they are jumping back and forth trying to simultaneously show both sides just feels really awkward.

It was: Fangasm when looking at the mass ranking up and such visually appealing plays.

Then, the Shark/Natch thing we've been hearing for a while, breaking me from the focus of the moment.

Later though, the war in the flashback is getting more interesting, and it seems we'll witness it with detail, answering the questions many currently have.

Then they decide to cut to the scene of the fight again, which as good of a fight as it might be, I was getting into the Shark backstory side.

 

Seriously.....

[evilfusion]

Personally, I think they should have dedicated an episode to talk about Shark's backstory, and another one to the duel in the Astral World.

Both sides are getting good, but the way they are jumping back and forth trying to simultaneously show both sides just feels really awkward.

It was: Fangasm when looking at the mass ranking up and such visually appealing plays.

Then, the Shark/Natch thing we've been hearing for a while, breaking me from the focus of the moment.

Later though, the war in the flashback is getting more interesting, and it seems we'll witness it with detail, answering the questions many currently have.

Then they decide to cut to the scene of the fight again, which as good of a fight as it might be, I was getting into the Shark backstory side.

 

Seriously.....

 

They should be splitting it up more, I agree, but I found some justification for why they're doing it like this.

 

Kotori is not with Yuma. They don't need to spend nearly as much episode time and animation on a character who does nothing but say "Yuma..." every time Yuma has a disadvantage (which is constantly). Thus, they have roughly 10 more minutes an episode to show something else, so they're following a side plotline that has been put on the side for a couple of episodes.

 

And when this Duel ends, they'll be able to synch those two plotlines and have Yuma and Nasch Duel right off the bat. It would be timed well for Nasch's revival affecting the Astral World right after Yuma beats the will of the Astral World. If they simply had Yuma Duel the whole time, and then focused on Nasch's side, it would have Yuma out of focus for two to three episodes, or they'd show him wandering around the Astral World doing nothing important.

 

Yuma is the main protagonist. If he's not the focus of the episode, he's either at the sidelines watching events, or doing something else vaguely plot-related/moping. I wouldn't be surprised if Yuma is contractually obliged to appear in all episodes. Therefore, they can't focus exclusively on something else, so they split the screentime. It builds tension for the reveals. Or something.

[Sleepy]

They should be splitting it up more, I agree, but I found some justification for why they're doing it like this.

 

Kotori is not with Yuma. They don't need to spend nearly as much episode time and animation on a character who does nothing but say "Yuma..." every time Yuma has a disadvantage (which is constantly). Thus, they have roughly 10 more minutes an episode to show something else, so they're following a side plotline that has been put on the side for a couple of episodes.

 

And when this Duel ends, they'll be able to synch those two plotlines and have Yuma and Nasch Duel right off the bat. It would be timed well for Nasch's revival affecting the Astral World right after Yuma beats the will of the Astral World. If they simply had Yuma Duel the whole time, and then focused on Nasch's side, it would have Yuma out of focus for two to three episodes, or they'd show him wandering around the Astral World doing nothing important.

 

Yuma is the main protagonist. If he's not the focus of the episode, he's either at the sidelines watching events, or doing something else vaguely plot-related/moping. I wouldn't be surprised if Yuma is contractually obliged to appear in all episodes. Therefore, they can't focus exclusively on something else, so they split the screentime. It builds tension for the reveals. Or something.

That makes sense.

Something oughts to be able to come out of it.

Yuma out of focus shouldn't be too bad though.

I haven't seen much of the main character in CFV for a while and it seems to be doing fine, and during 5Ds, the excess attention on Yusei was downright a flaw at times. Though to be fair, it can't be too easy to have separate scenes take their time individually while also making the audience understand that they are happening at the same time.

[evilfusion]

It wouldn't be bad having Yuma out of focus. But it also wouldn't be bad to have Yuma use non-Hope Numbers more frequently. It still won't happen.

 

Yusei focus in 5Ds wasn't actually that bad. What was annoying was that Yusei would end up Dueling with the deck stacked against him in increasingly more extreme ways to the point where that was his shtick. I always said that the appeal of Yusei's Duels isn't about who is going to win, but what insane combos and tricks Yusei will use to get out of the extreme disadvantage he was thrown into. (Team Unicorn: Objective- Beat all 3 in a row. Team Taiyou: Objective- Beat Sleeping Giant Thud. Team Ragnarok: Objective- Beat all 3 Polar Gods at once. Team New World: Objective- Beat the 15,500 ATK Machine Emperor Granel and Jose's 12,000 LP. Second Objective: Defeat Aporia and Machinecle. Z-ONE: Objective - Oh my god. Let's not get into this one.)

 

Anyway, I was more observing that Yuma gets an absurd amount of screentime, even when he's not the focus. He is the only character other than Kotori (ugh) that witnessed all of the WDC final matches. He arrived just before Tron took his first turn vs Droite. He arrived just as V and Kaito were starting. He arrived right after Shark played his first card vs IV. And he participated in the Duel with Gauche, and next round, Shark. He watched Kaito's Duel with Tron before plot intervened, and even then, he saw the results.

 

If you really think about it, Yuma is the nosiest protagonist ever. He has the oddest penchant for always being around for the exposition or plot events, yet never knows what's going on. Since the Shark/Nasch thing is supposed to be a twist for YUMA, but less for the audience, it fits that we're being shown it while Yuma can't possibly be present.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_121

WHAT.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_122

THE.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_123
FLYING.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_124
F**K.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_125

IS.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/New_Orders_13_Etheric_Amen

THIS?!?

[Northern Sage]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_121

WHAT.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_122

THE.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_123
FLYING.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_124
F**K.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_125

IS.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/New_Orders_13_Etheric_Amen

THIS?!?

It doesn't fit the known previews, 121 doesn't fit well along with what we know of 120, there is no way Yuma vs Eliphas would drag on for 4 parts while Shark vs Vector would only be one, the Over Hundred Numbers were practically a creation of the Barian World, so where would all those Numbers come from…

A million is just silly. Lord knows Konami has had trouble pulling out Numbers in the past (55 of 100? This far into the series?).

And that's just getting started. Seems very fake.

[Aerion Brightflame]

The way things seem to be working out now: Namely Heartland happening in a duel actually makes more sense than before, and it gives a better gap between Nasch and Yuma.

 

It seems like the ones from before were partially faked, or at least don't happen quite yet...

 

NO13 is unexpected, but I mean not impossible.

 

I'm just taking previews with a pinch of salt for now.

[~British Soul~]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_121

WHAT.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_122

THE.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_123
FLYING.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_124
F**K.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_125

IS.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/New_Orders_13_Etheric_Amen

THIS?!?

.....WHAT THE F***?

 

New Orders 13?

 

I'm just taking previews with a pinch of salt for now.

Same, though I believed the other previews more than these ones.

[Jord200]

I agree. These smell of garbage, and being fake. Although, there is one card that can get to Level 13 on its own.

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Greed_Quasar

 

Though, that doesn't change the fact these spoilers seem like something someone made on the spot. 

[Aerion Brightflame]

I actually prefer what's happenin in the spoilers this time, because it's nice.

 

It's not resolving the whole deal with Nasch so quickly, which the last lot did. It's resolving the bit with Heartland which is great, even having DOn Thousand's plan being put int force.

 

Also it's only an infered rank 13, not a confirmed one.

[~British Soul~]

If these previews are legit, imo it just seems so rushed and too soon to implement Don Thousand's plan.

[Aerion Brightflame]

As opposed to how rushed they resolved the Shark/Nasch storyline before?

 

It's not amazingly rushed IMO, not to the same degree that it was before, where it resolved one of the series longest running developments in a handful of episodes ina  row.

[Jord200]

It could be only partiallty true. Remember the duel with Gilag? It called for something called Dobuetstu or something, the Pressure Pointing Delinquient. That never happened. Either way, I doubt there will be a million Numbers. If there is, it would just probably be random cards used by various Astral and Barian Wolrd residents, that we prbably won't see. As why Astral would have 100, maybe because he's the God of the Astral World? It was implied at one point.

[evilfusion]

I'm skeptical, but at the same time, it's not the most unlikely thing ever. The machines Don Thousand mentioned contain strange, card-like lights in them, and he mentioned that by expanding the evil in the human world, his own power would grow. However, focusing on that now will make the Shark subplot meaningless again. And while Mr. Heartland Dueling with Number 1 would make sense, I don't think it's his time to appear yet. Similarly, I don't think Don Thousand's plan, which required enormous amounts of energy for those machines and required his focus, would be ready so soon.

 

It seems like the previous previews and these previews follow a similar theme, so the truth could be something in the middle. But remembering that Number C101 is confirmed for the next pack, and the new previews completely abandoned the Nasch plot and any mention of Number 101 and C101 makes me think that they're fake.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

I'm skeptical, but at the same time, it's not the most unlikely thing ever. The machines Don Thousand mentioned contain strange, card-like lights in them, and he mentioned that by expanding the evil in the human world, his own power would grow. However, focusing on that now will make the Shark subplot meaningless again. And while Mr. Heartland Dueling with Number 1 would make sense, I don't think it's his time to appear yet. Similarly, I don't think Don Thousand's plan, which required enormous amounts of energy for those machines and required his focus, would be ready so soon.

 

It seems like the previous previews and these previews follow a similar theme, so the truth could be something in the middle. But remembering that Number C101 is confirmed for the next pack, and the new previews completely abandoned the Nasch plot and any mention of Number 101 and C101 makes me think that they're fake.

Nope, these are real.

http://www.nasinc.co.jp/jp/index.php?action=USER.WORKS.TIME.DETAIL&master_id=129&number=122&mm_category=TV%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%EF%BC%88%E6%94%BE%E9%80%81%E4%B8%AD%EF%BC%89&work=1&classes=&age=&division=

Very, VERY real.

[Jord200]

Nope, these are real.

http://www.nasinc.co.jp/jp/index.php?action=USER.WORKS.TIME.DETAIL&master_id=129&number=122&mm_category=TV%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%EF%BC%88%E6%94%BE%E9%80%81%E4%B8%AD%EF%BC%89&work=1&classes=&age=&division=

Very, VERY real.

 

 

Still could be fake. Right? Right......?