Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXal Sub/Manga Official Discussion Thread

[Jord200]

Well Mrs. Kamishiro looked a little bit like Rio. We know Nasche and Merag are said to be dead. Mr. and Mrs. Kamishiro are dead. Vector is said to have killed Nasche and Merag. Maybe he was somehow involved in that car wreck? Unlikely, but it could happen. They could have left the Barian World for some reason, started a new life, and had two kids. Someone found out, and killed them. Though, that wouldnb't explain why Vector has no memory of killing them. 

 

 

Also since NOBODY has bothered to say it yet..... Yuma getting in a duel of Rank Ups? Chaos Numbers? New ones?

[~British Soul~]

Also since NOBODY has bothered to say it yet..... Yuma getting in a duel of Rank Ups? Chaos Numbers? New ones?

inb4there's new CXyz involved as well. Though it depends if the guy has a Number, but I have my money on him using CXyz more than CNumbers.

[Jord200]

inb4there's new CXyz involved as well. Though it depends if the guy has a Number, but I have my money on him using CXyz more than CNumbers.

 

 

Tragon

Muzumuzu

Mellowmellow

Temtemtempo

Exaclubur

Skill Gainer

Shooter

 

That's seven, so it could happen. Plus, I don't know why, but I have a feeling Rainbow Kuribow will be an Xyz.

[~British Soul~]

Tiragon

Muzumuzu

Mellowmelody

Temtempo

Excalibur

Skill Gainer

Shooter

 

That's seven, so it could happen. Plus, I don't know why, but I have a feeling Rainbow Kuribow will be an Xyz.

I was talking about the guy Yuma was dueling, not Yuma.

[Jord200]

I was talking about the guy Yuma was dueling, not Yuma.

 

 

Oh. I had meant if it does become a duel of Rank-Ups vs Rank-Ups, Yuma might Rank up some of his other Numbers, into Chaos Numbers. I would be willing to bet money that Revise would be one of them if it does come to that. I agree. The other guy will probably use Chaos Xyz or something.

[~British Soul~]

Oh. I had meant if it does become a duel of Rank-Ups vs Rank-Ups, Yuma might Rank up some of his other Numbers, into Chaos Numbers. I would be willing to bet money that Revice would be one of them if it does come to that. I agree. The other guy will probably use Chaos Xyz or something.

If Yuma does use Numeron Force, it'll most likely be Utopia into Victory, but the possibility of Yuma Ranking-Up some of his other Numbers is there though.

[Jord200]

If Yuma does use Numeron Force, it'll most likely be Utopia into Victory, but the possibility of Yuma Ranking-Up some of his other Numbers is there though.

 

That's what I mean. Hope Ray Victory is a given, but unless with guy is packing multiple copies of whatever Rank-Up card they'll use, I think it will be some kind of Field Spell like Black Mist used. Only without the stealing from the Opponent's Extra Deck thing. 

[~British Soul~]

That's what I mean. Hope Ray Victory is a given, but unless with guy is packing multiple copies of whatever Rank-Up card they'll use, I think it will be some kind of Field Spell like Black Mist used. Only without the stealing from the Opponent's Extra Deck thing. 

Thing is though, I think there will be a new Rank-Up card being used.

[Aerion Brightflame]

I don't think they'll be CXyz.

 

It doesn't make sense given I think it was said that CXyz were the weapon of the Barian World, because they would kill a Barian in a duel the same way Astral fades to a number. So, it doesn't fit to me.

 

I also doubt Rainbow Kuriboh is an Xyz, because we were told Kazuma had no Xyz in his deck. It might have only been at a certain point but still.

 

Also on Shark and Rio's parents... I'm iffy about the idea of them being Nasch and Merag, but that's because of all the set-up they've been giving to Shark and Rio. Also how dissimilar the dad is.

[Sleepy]

Tragon

Muzumuzu

Mellowmellow

Temtemtempo

Exaclubur

Skill Gainer

Shooter

 

That's seven, so it could happen. Plus, I don't know why, but I have a feeling Rainbow Kuribow will be an Xyz.

If you are listing all of Yuma's non-Numbers Xyzs, add Gagaga Gunman to that. I'm trying to remember if there might.

 

 

I have another doubt about the Rank-Up.

If any cards can be ran in 3s like IRL.

If Gilag demonstrated that he has enough to give, or at least, barians could borrow them from their teammates or something. Or recycling it with an effect in-game.

If the CXyz or CNumber magically comes to exist in the show as soon as you evolve it.

Then what would happen if you double Ranked-up any Xyz? Like, I use Barian's Force in Hope, then Numeron Force in Hope V.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Shark discovered he was a barian, and somehow got a bunch of new memories from it, he wouldn't switch sides out of the blue, but I'd boubt he'd turn a blind eye on the barians' side either. He would be forced to choose a side if he still wants to fight this war. Both sides have saving their own world as their interest.

 

Though Shark would most likely not turn against Yuma at the end, because that's the world he is living in now, because that side also involves protecting a third world (Astral), and because I more have the feeling that the barians will be allies eventually. 

 

All 3 worlds suffer when one does, so there shouldn't be a war between them at all. 

 

 

Oh btw, I always have a hard time taking the name "Don Thousand" seriously. In Spanish (my first language) "Don" is essentially "Mr" in English. 

[Jord200]

Then what would happen if you double Ranked-up any Xyz?

 

Probably the Xyz equivilant of an Accel Synchro Summon.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Probably the Xyz equivilant of an Accel Synchro Summon.

Does that mean if they ever made triple Rank-Up and Yuma did it on Utopia it would turn Utopia into Quasar for intents and purposes?

 

Because... that would be quite a cool season ender.

[evilfusion]

Don Thousand's name makes me think "Don" as in "mafia crime boss". Thousand...no idea if that has any real signficance. It's a weird name, but it does kind of sound cool in the show, so that's all that matters. Plus, he is a demon lord, essentially.

 

The other interesting thing to note about CXyz is that only Barian's Force can Summon them. This does seem to indicate they're a Barian weapon, being capable of destroying Numbers. Limited Barian's Force and Numeron Force only works to evolve Xyz into Chaos Numbers.

 

This makes me think there could be a new Rank-Up Magic that represents the Astral World. Or, if what Astral said is true about the Astral World and having a Ranked-Up soul, the monsters Summoned might not even need Rank-Up Magic, because Rank-Up Magic to me implies the Barians artificially created the ability to Rank-Up souls in order to be able to harm the Astral World and its signature monsters, the Numbers.

 

Zexal seems to be a power that Astral is able to use to overlay/fuse with another person. Flashbacks indicate he did so when fighting Don Thousand, and we know Number 96 is a fragment of Don Thousand's power that was left with Astral. Number 96 wanted to control Astral, and Don Thousand wants to be able to merge the human and Barian Worlds for the power to destroy the Astral World. Perhaps Zexal is a smaller version of merging the human and Astral World.

 

Don Thousand told Vector that he'll get more power by expanding hatred within the human world, which will power the machines he'll use to merge the worlds. Therefore, it seems the Barian World is an evil world, the Astral World is a pure world, only accessible by having a Rank-Up Soul, and the human world is neutral, but the battleground for the two worlds, as they can't access each other directly. Merging it with either world will enable the complete destruction of the other.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Don Thousand's name makes me think "Don" as in "mafia crime boss". Thousand...no idea if that has any real signficance. It's a weird name, but it does kind of sound cool in the show, so that's all that matters. Plus, he is a demon lord, essentially.

 

The other interesting thing to note about CXyz is that only Barian's Force can Summon them. This does seem to indicate they're a Barian weapon, being capable of destroying Numbers. Limited Barian's Force and Numeron Force only works to evolve Xyz into Chaos Numbers.

 

Actually in the Anime all 3 of the RUM's can summon any 'C' card. So that includes the CXyz.

 

I think it was said at some point in the first episode that they were weapons of the Barian World. Or at least Gilag elaborated on it in his tag duel.

[evilfusion]

Actually in the Anime all 3 of the RUM's can summon any 'C' card. So that includes the CXyz.

 

I think it was said at some point in the first episode that they were weapons of the Barian World. Or at least Gilag elaborated on it in his tag duel.

 

Then it's just the RL counterparts that can't. Even so, it would justify MAKING a new Rank-Up Magic card, since CXyz got expanded upon, but only Barian's Force can Summon it. And Barian's Force was an ultra in LTGY.

[evilfusion]

I finally managed to locate subs for several of the episodes. I'm not sure if they're on other anime sites, but these were found on dailymotion. Still in the middle of watching them.

 

For sure, there's episodes 107 (Gilag's Number) - 111 (the end of Number 96's Duel).

 

Finally got to see the subs for 108/109, which is the Shark and Rio Duel. Most of the things in there, we'd already found out without the subs. Abyss evidently had been ordered by Shark in the past to restore his memories in the present. This was the point of Abyss giving him the visions and the Duel itself as a trial. Rio had sacrificed herself to Abyss to purify the influence Vector had placed on it with a blood sacrifice. Oddly, in the vision, Number 73 actually HAD the number "73" on it. This seems odd, considering how all the other creatures that became Numbers did not become Numbers until after their death.

 

Don Thousand told Vector that while Numbers 73 and 94 were in Astral and co's possession, they would eventually return to their side. He confirmed that Vector killed Nasch and Merag after he was reincarnated as a Barian. Vector's reaction is ambiguous whether he knew this already and hoped no one else would find out, or if he himself had no idea.

[Astro Dude]

Is Rio... dead?

[heraldry_lord]

[spoiler=Plot twists ahoy]TWIST #1:  Kurage was responsible for the car crash.

TWIST #2:  Shark and Rio actually died in the crash, but "survived" somehow.

TWIST #3:  Shark and Rio's family are direct descendants of Shark's past life.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdhhQhqi_AE

[/spoiler]

 

Here's the RAW.

[~British Soul~]

*negs Heraldry Lord*

Here's the RAW.

 

After III had gained Number 3, it made sense that IV gained Number 4.

[evilfusion]

With one interesting difference. Yuma gave Number 3 to III. IV took Number 4 with his crest bracelet with no evident offer of giving it to Shark or Yuma.

 

The ending is just...wow.

 

Also, apparently Number 73;s effect is NOT once per turn. And it was totally unneeded to use it twice in one turn to win, but hey, overkill is fun.

[~British Soul~]

but hey, overkill is fun.

Definately, case in point: Atem using Berserker Soul on Weevil.

[evilfusion]

Definately, case in point: Atem using Berserker Soul on Weevil.

 

Well, in the case of Number 73, it's more problematic than simply overdoing it. This now establishes that Number 73's effect is NOT once per turn in the anime. So Shark essentially has a Rank 5 9600 monster at his beck and call. At least Number 94 not being once per turn and halving an opponent's monster twice isn't nearly as advantageous as buffing a monster to 9600.

[Northern Sage]

Well, in the case of Number 73, it's more problematic than simply overdoing it. This now establishes that Number 73's effect is NOT once per turn in the anime. So Shark essentially has a Rank 5 9600 monster at his beck and call. At least Number 94 not being once per turn and halving an opponent's monster twice isn't nearly as advantageous as buffing a monster to 9600.

Could be OPT or original ATK IRL.

Balancing has never really been an issue in the anime *cough* Stromberg*cough*

[~British Soul~]

Well, in the case of Number 73, it's more problematic than simply overdoing it. This now establishes that Number 73's effect is NOT once per turn in the anime.

Sure it was the first time it was used more than once in the same turn, but we kinda knew about it not being OPT since June (Checked the topic for Number 73 from June 23rd).

[evilfusion]

Could be OPT or original ATK IRL.

Balancing has never really been an issue in the anime *cough* Stromberg*cough*

 

Stromberg is a bad example. It was deliberately and illegally altered in the anime to be overwhelmingly powerful and unfair, to say nothing of the fact it was supposed to be an unplayable card, and was given an illegal override.