Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXal Sub/Manga Official Discussion Thread

[Dementuo]

The new episode summaries actually seem a little strange to me, mainly because there's no word whatsoever as to what happens to Shark, and I'm a bit confused as to what exactly would cause Kaito to have any sort of hallucinations. I mean, I know that the summaries aren't supposed to give spoilers as to what happens, but they've always given a little bit of insight as to how the protagonists go about their "Miraculous Turnaround" and win the duel.

I do like the prospect of 69 coming back to be used again, especially considering how prominent it was before. I'm also wondering if Yuma might end up using a DZW along with 69, considering all of the similarities with Hatred and Anger being both the trigger and fuel with both of them.

[evilfusion]

The most major reason Coat of Arms would not return is...the anime effect is broken as hell. It can't die by card effects, and is constantly negating and absorbing monster effects, and it can detach an Overlay Unit when attacked to destroy a card on the Field. The only reason Yuma won is because Leo Arms was almost specifically designed to beat it, by having an effect that can't be negated, negating Coat of Arms' effect, halving its ATK, and giving a second Battle Phase.

[~British Soul~]

These new episodes certainly sound interesting even if the tag team combos were predictable. The 2nd part of the Shark/IV tag duel is the most intriguing imo.

[Aerion Brightflame]

The most major reason Coat of Arms would not return is...the anime effect is broken as hell. It can't die by card effects, and is constantly negating and absorbing monster effects, and it can detach an Overlay Unit when attacked to destroy a card on the Field. The only reason Yuma won is because Leo Arms was almost specifically designed to beat it, by having an effect that can't be negated, negating Coat of Arms' effect, halving its ATK, and giving a second Battle Phase.

 

We could say the same about Atlathal if we wanted to.

 

The major thing is going to be though, if it is a Chaos Form... How the hell is it going to top it's normal form? Since, short of non Destruction S/T protection it's not missing much.

 

I just realised...

 

They are going to the Astral world. Which means we may meet Yuma's dad. That's going to make things interesting. Not to mention confirmation about my hidden theory that he is the one who gave Astral the task to destroy the Barian World.

[evilfusion]

Thing is, Atlanthal's anime effect wasn't THAT bad, especially compared to Coat of Arms. Atlanthal was just weird, able to absorb a Number and its ATK when Summoned, and could halve the opponent's LP for an Overlay Unit. But if it had 0 Overlays, it halved both player's LP during the Standby Phase, and if your LP was 1000 or less, it couldn't die in battle or take Battle Damage.

 

Yes, that's messed up, but it was otherwise not ridiculous, as Yuma did manage to use it, and since it was destroyed early on, the absurd effects didn't matter.

 

But Coat of Arms is virtually invincible. It steals monsters effects constantly while negating them, can't die by card effects, and can't be attacked without killing something in the process for an Overlay.

 

I sincerely doubt Coat of Arms is returning next episode. I saw the preview and it really doesn't look like Coat of Arms, unless I'm not looking in the right place. Although it would be somewhat fitting for Yuma to eventually use it, especially if Tron is present.

 

A random thought came to mind recently. Dr. Faker and Tron both received Barian powers. Dr. Faker wanted the power to help Haruto, and in exchange, was required to destroy the Astral World for his end of the bargain. Tron wanted the power to get revenge on Dr. Faker, plus he stated that the Barians saved him when he was trapped in the other dimension. It was not really explained what Tron's bargain with the Barian World involved. Because if the Barians had already recruited Dr. Faker for their mission, why would they give another human power and allow him to oppose their other pawn?

 

Presumably, Tron's deal involved giving the Barians the Numbers or similar. I originally thought Tron wanted the Numbers for their power, plus to stop Faker's scheme. But I don't think Tron knew the reason why Dr. Faker was collecting the Numbers, but he DID know about the Sphere Field and its intentions.

[heraldry_lord]

I sincerely doubt Coat of Arms is returning next episode. I saw the preview and it really doesn't look like Coat of Arms, unless I'm not looking in the right place. Although it would be somewhat fitting for Yuma to eventually use it, especially if Tron is present.

 

Except its arms look like 69's, its chest looks similar to 69's chest, its head has similarities with 69's (the horns, the position of the number, the outline of the face), and it evidently drains monsters of something.

 

The only real argument against it being C69 is the number itself, which is blurred and looks like something that's not 69, but other than that, this thing could be 69's long-lost twin from hell.

[Jord200]

Except its arms look like 69's, its chest looks similar to 69's chest, its head has similarities with 69's (the horns, the position of the number, the outline of the face), and it evidently drains monsters of something.

 

The only real argument against it being C69 is the number itself, which is blurred and looks like something that's not 69, but other than that, this thing could be 69's long-lost twin from hell.

 

There is another thing. The 69 isn't it would be. It can't be Coat of Arms.

[heraldry_lord]

The 69 isn't it would be.

 

I don't understand what that sentence is saying at all.  Anyways, in the end, I just really hope it's C69 (and there are a lot of hints to it), but I wouldn't be too surprised if it isn't.

 

Also, I can't wait for the Arclights to return, even if it's just for a few episodes.

[Jord200]

I don't understand what that sentence is saying at all.  Anyways, in the end, I just really hope it's C69 (and there are a lot of hints to it), but I wouldn't be too surprised if it isn't.

 

Also, I can't wait for the Arclights to return, even if it's just for a few episodes.

 

Typo on my part. I meant it isn't where it would be.

[Merci]

Also, I can't wait for the Arclights to return, even if it's just for a few episodes.

 

I just want a proper excuse to ship IV with Rio :neutral:

[heraldry_lord]

I just want a proper excuse to ship IV with Rio :neutral:

 

That would be an awkward relationship (I'm sorry I nearly killed you and made your brother's life hell. Will you go out with me?) XD.

[~British Soul~]

I just want a proper excuse to ship IV with Rio :neutral:

I'd be fine with that shipping tbh. (FanserviceShipping)

[Dementuo]

I'd be fine with that shipping tbh. (FanserviceShipping)

Any shipping with Rio is fanservice.

[evilfusion]

Any shipping with Rio is fanservice.

 

True. But there's only a handful of characters right now who logically have any shot.

[~British Soul~]

Any shipping with Rio is fanservice.

True, but IV truely gives his people his "fanservice".

[Merci]

That would be an awkward relationship (I'm sorry I nearly killed you and made your brother's life hell. Will you go out with me?) XD.

 

It wasn't intentional! He didn't know the card he used would generate actual flames!...well, it was true that he planned on hurting Rio a bit on Tron's orders, but he didn't think it would actually hospitalize her! Surely!

[evilfusion]

I have no opinion on IV x Rio. Really, IV's sudden shift in personality after his Duel with Shark was so extreme it bugs me. Him having a breakdown during the Duel didn't really bother me as much, ignoring his absurdly contrived misplay.

[Dementuo]

He's right, it was shown that Thomas had no real intention of hurting Rio, and only planned on roughing her up a little to get Shark's attention.

ignoring his absurdly contrived misplay.

I still can't believe that anyone who's not named Yuma could be capable of something so obviously stupid.

[evilfusion]

He's right, it was shown that Thomas had no real intention of hurting Rio, and only planned on roughing her up a little to get Shark's attention.

I still can't believe that anyone who's not named Yuma could be capable of something so obviously stupid.

 

They TRIED to justify his reason for doing it, and I'd almost have bought it if it weren't for the fact he was attacking a DEF monster, and Destiny Strings prevents the other monster from dying in battle. Taking the risk to prove his luck/skill to Tron would be semi-believable if it weren't so incredibly dumb to attack a DEF monster with an effect that gives multiple attacks, but doesn't destroy by battle.

 

The fact he then drew Scissors Hand that turn made it so absurdly stupid. Because he could prove his luck/skill to Tron by having the luck to draw a card capable of destroying the gamble factor AND give him another attacker to finish Shark off.

 

Hell, I'd even have bought him playing Scissors and attacking the monster with Scissors, only to find its DEF was too high or something, and that his misplay was not attacking with Heaven's Strings first.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Hell, I'd even have bought him playing Scissors and attacking the monster with Scissors, only to find its DEF was too high or something, and that his misplay was not attacking with Heaven's Strings first.

 

That would've worked much better... I mean, the only reason the monster wasn't destroyed was because we need a plot device way to kill Sharks Plot device.

 

MST would've done the job just fine, and everything would've worked out for the good.

 

And as for your point about Tron and Faker: If both of there tasks were to gather the Numbers, it was the most cost effective way. Far more man power, especially given how easy it was to manipulate the two.

 

That, or Vector was getting giggles from the two of them going all out to kill each other,

[heraldry_lord]

He's right, it was shown that Thomas had no real intention of hurting Rio, and only planned on roughing her up a little to get Shark's attention.

I still can't believe that anyone who's not named Yuma could be capable of something so obviously stupid.

 

I know that he didn't intend for it to happen, but it would probably take more than that to get them to be totally cool with him.  Ryoga even said that he didn't actually forgive Tron and Faker; he just didn't see any point in fighting someone who gave up fighting.  He might have a similar train of thought where IV is concerned.

 

As for the stupid misplay, I guess they were trying to cook up a reason for IV to lose and to show off Destiny Leo.

[evilfusion]

 

As for the stupid misplay, I guess they were trying to cook up a reason for IV to lose and to show off Destiny Leo.

 

I know that's the reason, but that's why it bugs me so much. It was done so badly that it's nearly impossible to understand.

 

I'm cool with characters making mistakes, but the writers went out of their way to smear IV for no reason other than to have him make a mistake to lose.

 

-First, they have Tron explicitly tell IV that IV's Dueling is too reckless and that he's taking an enormous risk by using Destiny Strings. If it fails, he'll have lost the chance to win the Duel this turn. IV is understandably offended by the implication Tron, his father, has little faith in IV's chances. Tron counters that his concern is the laws of probability, not with IV directly, but concedes that he doesn't trust IV, but only has faith in the Barian World.

 

Fine, this sets up that IV is reckless and gives IV a mental breakdown that all his efforts have been the results of Tron treating him as an underling, and even the most heinous things IV have done are unappreciated.

 

- IV begins his turn, determined to prove that as the Asia champion (admittedly, a title he got due to setting Shark up to be disqualified), he has the skills AND luck to win. He draws Scissor Arms, and is pissed that fate seems to be confirming Tron's concerns, not his own belief in his skills, by giving him a card that will destroy Destiny Strings. Therefore, he pretty much thinks "Screw you, Deck" and proceeds with his attack.

 

I can understand this, too. He's upset and wants to prove himself on his own terms. So he attacks, and fails the Destiny Strings effect, losing his Battle Phase. The problem is that even if he HAD drawn a monster card with that effect, he'd have accomplished literally nothing. The only counterargument could be that he just wants Shark's monster face-up so he can use Heavens' Strings to use its effect on it, but this isn't even a good plan. At least when hitting Shark Drake, it was to cause Shark more pain, cause more LP damage, and THEN put a String Counter on it, to pretty much following Tron's plan to push Shark into a corner.

 

- Seeing this didn't work, IV then plays Scissor Arms to destroy Destiny Strings. Astral points out that IV's last move was absurdly stupid if he had Scissors in hand. THIS is where the writers majorly screwed up. They had IV do a slightly contrived misplay, worsened badly by the fact his move wouldn't have won even if he had succeeded in the gamble, and then have OTHER characters explicitly comment that IV's a complete idiot.

 

Tron adds more fuel by reiterating that IV should be more contemplative like III and V are when they Duel, and that he totally saw IV's misplay coming. So yeah, the whole scene plays out as a way to insult IV repeatedly by making him do something incredibly dumb.

 

This made him look inferior to Yuma, and we are talking about the same Yuma who, in one Duel, was tricked into doing smart moves on the basis that he'd do the literal opposite of everything Astral suggested, without a second thought as to whether Astral's advice was remotely logical. In that scene, Yuma's an established moron who can't Duel worth anything, so he can't distinguish good advice or bad advice and he's deliberately being contrary.

 

IV was good enough to get to the finals of a nationals tournament. Making him do something almost as stupid as Yuma did early in the series, and then have other characters comment on this, ruins any credibility as a Duelist he had. And even then, he nearly wins due to Destiny Leo, and it was only Tron explicitly intervening to screw him over and awaken Shark Drake Veiss that caused him to lose.

[tazeel3]

IV must lose in Tron's plan. That error was caused beause Tron made him angry saying that Shark is a better duellist, so he didn't reasoned and he lost. Then Shark can continue in the turnament and he can kill Faker. 

Vector.... he unleashed Tron and Faker one against another one for took all the numbers! I'ts a genius!

But... if Shark is a Barian, for him the power of the number should be only a tickle for him. And Tron's power shouldn't had effect against him. Why?

[~British Soul~]

The card in the preview IS CNumber 69 so we can stop arguing about whether it is or isn't now.

 

Also apparently , Number 92 is getting a Chaos Number form as well.

It'd make sense given that 69 and 92 were Tron's/Faker's aces and they had connections with the Barian World.

[Merci]

HOLY MOTHERFRIKIN CARPACUS-------------------

 

Are the writers OUT OF THEIR MINDS? Did they just take the most OP'd monster in THE ENTIRE ZEXAL ANIME and give it an UPGRADE?!?!?!?

...what's its effect? I have to know. I HAVE TO KNOW.