evilfusion Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Wait, where'd we find out about Number 73's Rank? I probably just overlooked it. And what do you mean by Number 9/whatever? Number 9 is Dyson Sphere, so maybe it's a 90s Number, but I missed that area, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Wait, where'd we find out about Number 73's Rank? I probably just overlooked it. And what do you mean by Number 9/whatever? Number 9 is Dyson Sphere, so maybe it's a 90s Number, but I missed that area, too. The wiki's profile page for 73 had a zoomed in shot of the card, and it was a Rank 5. Didn't you see British Soul's picture of the two numbers next to each other from the preview? One with a 9 on it. (I just guessed that it was Number 9, after forgetting that Dyson Sphere existed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I think I have it. Vector was a prince who invaded and most likely killed Shark and Rio in past life. This we know. Vector COULD have been someone Alit fought or was someone behind his death sentence. Vector and Gilag may have fought in Gilag's final battle. I thought Vector could have been a knight who served Durbe or the old man who lead to Misael's death, but then I remembered A: Vector is evil, he probably wouldn't give someone a proper burial, and B: How could Vector have lived to be an old man if he killed himself when he was probably somewhere in his teens, based off how his human form looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I think I have it. Vector was a prince who invaded and most likely killed Shark and Rio in past life. This we know. Vector COULD have been someone Alit fought or was someone behind his death sentence. Vector and Gilag may have fought in Gilag's final battle. I thought Vector could have been a knight who served Durbe or the old man who lead to Misael's death, but then I remembered A: Vector is evil, he probably wouldn't give someone a proper burial, and B: How could Vector have lived to be an old man if he killed himself when he was probably somewhere in his teens, based off how his human form looks. According to the wiki, Miseal was killed by an invading army in an ambush. Vector could have ordered that, or at least been in charge of. And Vector could have been the son of the King who Durbe gave his life to protect from the other Knights. It would fit with Vectors view that he doesn't have to obey the other Barians given he would have out ranked all the others, and lead to there deaths. Of course that would place Shark presumably on an equal standing with Vector. Unless... Shark was in fact he leader of all the other lords to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Oh, I see it now. The 9 was partially hidden by the yellow text. But awesome. Right now, it's unlikely all the Barians have interlinked stories, so far with the exception of Rio/Shark and Vector, and it's not 100% that they're the missing Barian lords. They could be, though, and the evidence is clearly pointing towards it. If they are, that puts some very interesting twists into the plot in terms of character relationships and story roles. Astral believes his mission is to destroy the Barian World. The Barians want/need to destroy the Astral World (according to Durbe, to save the Barian World). This is all logical. Shark wants to get back at the Barians for the indirect roles they played in what happened to Rio (injured by IV, using power from Tron, provided by the Barians, to get revenge on Dr. Faker, who sacrificed Tron to get access to the Barian World and power). A quick tangent: If Shark is a Barian, it's amusing that Tron had chosen him to be his assassin, going to such lengths as hurting Rio, setting him up to be disqualified against IV, and then giving him Shark Drake. Interestingly, Tron did make a comment to IV in the WDC Duel in regards to Shark's power and Shark Drake. But if Shark is a Barian, how might that affect his role in the plot? It would become immensely complicated, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 If the two are Barians, Astral will lose trust in them, but Yuma won't. Which will be a source of friction between the two. Which will probably be more of a catalyst for Astral becoming Evil, since I want to think that Dark ZeXal will return at some point. Or they'll dissapear off with the Legendary Numbers to rejoin the others. Turning the war around for them. I think it might be a nice set-up for the Tron Family to come back if it's true. Since well, you've got Rio VS. IV. And Shark VS. Tron as matches that are screaming to happen with that knowledge. Both as a form of payback. Shark being a Barian basically makes him plot relevant again. Like season one Kaito levels, which I would personally love to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I really hope Dark Zexal returns, too. Otherwise it was introducing a plot development and then resolving it way too quickly. There's already been signs that Astral and Yuma have some friction yet, and breaking out of Dark Zexal didnt remove the darkness in Astral's heart. Also, I want to see the concept of Dark Zexal Weapons expanded beyond just Chimera Cloth. Also, Yuma is probably getting some inner darkness, too. He did Duel Vector with sheer rage when he thought Shingetsu was dead, but back in the Kaito/Yuma vs III/ IV tag duel, he claimed he never Dueled with hate or anger (he reiterates this during the WDC finals). Oops, he did once now. Definitely something to go back to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Who are Yuma's most important friends? I need refs for the OOPArts duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Probably Kotori, III, Shark and Kaito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I'd include Tetsuo, but you'd might be able to consider that Stockholm Syndrome on Yuma's part. Really, they might be talking about the entire gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 In terms of most improtant to least.... Kotori, Shark, Kaito, III ( Tie. Though Kotori's really only there for moral suport and fanservice. ) Testuo Cathy Anna Takashi Tonnusuke Rio? ( Hard to say where to place her. Depends on if she does a full Heel Face Turn. ) Also, I have a feeling the mystery Number is 93. Not sure why though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 What really annoys me about this last episode is the usage of Gorgon Charm and Xyz Unit. Gorgon Charm does the same job that several other cards in the series do: flip a face-down monster face-up. However, it brings nothing new to the table. It isn't a Quick-Play. It isn't a Trap. There simply is no reason for this card to exist. Again, Konami makes up a card out of thin air that will never be seen again, when they could have simply consulted their extensive collection of pre-existing cards and use one from there, since, in the same episode, WITH THE SAME DUELIST, they do exactly that! They have Rio use Xyz Unit instead of a Gorgon-specific Equip Spell, proving that they are perfectly capable of having their duelists duel with already-existing real-life cards! Am I the only one bugged about this fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 In the case of Gorgon Charm, it's written as to be a logical addition to the Deck's goal, rather than a generic card that HAPPENS to do something useful for the goal. Anime archetypes always like to pretend they have support cards, however inferior they may be to pre-existing cards. A Gorgon Deck has no real reason to use Book of Taiyou, although it would be a better option than Gorgon Charm. Xyz Unit is also logical, as it works with any Xyz, and considering Rio would have Number 73 and possibly another one, in addition to the Gorgon Xyz, having a support card FOR Xyz monsters works just fine. Furthermore, it helps justify why Shark won't be at 0 LP: Xyz Unit's boost is dependant on the equipped monster's Rank. If it was a generic or Gorgon specific equip that only raised 600, it would look more contrived than a card that only raised 600 because it was a Rank 3 Xyz. Had it been Number 73 (evidently a Rank 5?), the boost would have been larger. Really, this episode was a very minor case of plot device/waste of a card's existence. There are way worse Duels or cards that are absurdly inferior to pre-existing cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 There are way worse Duels or cards that are absurdly inferior to pre-existing cards. If you're going to end with that, you have to provide an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazeel3 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 I think I have it. Vector was a prince who invaded and most likely killed Shark and Rio in past life. This we know. Vector COULD have been someone Alit fought or was someone behind his death sentence. Vector and Gilag may have fought in Gilag's final battle. I thought Vector could have been a knight who served Durbe or the old man who lead to Misael's death, but then I remembered A: Vector is evil, he probably wouldn't give someone a proper burial, and B: How could Vector have lived to be an old man if he killed himself when he was probably somewhere in his teens, based off how his human form looks. Oceanian didn't had the knowledge to built ship for very long travel by sea! Vector couldn't arrive by sea in Italy, Japan, China and Shark's and Rio's island! And, for me, after dicover that is two friends are Barians, Yuma start to stop to trust in the other human's, for fear that could be Barians. But i've thought too in Yuma and Astral both corrupted by darkness. Then we will see Dark zexal II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Oceanian didn't had the knowledge to built ship for very long travel by sea! Vector couldn't arrive by sea in Italy, Japan, China and Shark's and Rio's island! And, for me, after dicover that is two friends are Barians, Yuma start to stop to trust in the other human's, for fear that could be Barians. But i've thought too in Yuma and Astral both corrupted by darkness. Then we will see Dark zexal II. Erm, trade happened thousands of years ago. The ancient egyptians were known to travel the Nile river by boat (around 4000-2000 b.c.) We don't even know where Vector lived because there haven't really been good indications where they have been and where that ruin was, or which time period we're talking about. And if you are going to base your argument on the fact that this isn't real life, then this applies the other way around as well. They might as well have had boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazeel3 Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I've forgotten that we are in an anime. But if he fought in Gilag's final battle, they can said that after the dead of Gilag, a liutenant took the command and saved the army, and Vector swore eternal hate against him and his offspring. His name? Yoko Tsukumo. But remember that Alit should lived in roman's age, and Gilag in the shogunate age. There are about more than 1000 years in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Okay, so episodes 33 and 34 are subbed now. Episode 33 was quite interesting in a few ways. For one, Kaito evidently believes he has an incredibly strong bond with Galaxy-Eyes, and therefore refused to destroy it via Number 46's effect. He also claimed his drawing of Galaxy Knights with Destiny Break was not luck, but similar to the bond with Galaxy-Eyes. Misael's legend is that he and the dragon were protectors, as Misael had formed a strong bond with that dragon. Then there was a year with great disasters, a spy from another country, acting as a wandering shaman, claimed the dragon was the cause. Misael tried to reason with the people, failed, offered to die instead to confirm the truth of his words, but got peppered with arrows and both died. The neighboring country invaded and the place went to hell. Evidently, the dragon's soul was then touched by the Numbers and was revived as Number 46. It seems Astral regained the memory from Number 46, even though Kaito received the card. The memory is of fighting Don Thousand before doing some sort of Xyz explosion. Astral then remembers his mission is to destroy the Barian World. Granted, this was covered in discussions before, but the sub cleared things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 If you're going to end with that, you have to provide an example. *Coughcoughevilfusion'sleastfavoriteepisodecough* ANYWAYS~ After watching the newest episode just now, I'm left wondering something: Supposedly, all the Barian lords were originally human and were somehow reincarnated as Barians, with some sort of creature linked to them being turned into a Legendary Number. This episode actually raises a few interesting points, namely the existence of the Barian Crest in Shark's flashback. If the Barians didn't exist at this point in time, which we're led to assume, then why would the crest appear there? Of course, the other point would be why Vector was in Shark's flashback as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 *twitch twitch* I do not hate Stronghold Guardian. I LOATHE Stronghold Guardian. WORST episode conclusion EVER. The only remotely redeemable thing is Yusei used it against Team Ragnarok in a much more creative and not BS-y way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I apologize, I shouldn't have brought up such a terrible memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 This episode actually raises a few interesting points, namely the existence of the Barian Crest in Shark's flashback. If the Barians didn't exist at this point in time, which we're led to assume, then why would the crest appear there? Of course, the other point would be why Vector was in Shark's flashback as well. The crest is the symbol of the kingdom Shark and Rio belonged to, which will probably be explained later. Vector is there because he killed them when his army invaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 The crest is the symbol of the kingdom Shark and Rio belonged to, which will probably be explained later. Vector is there because he killed them when his army invaded. Did I miss a subbed episode or is that just speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I'd include Tetsuo, but you'd might be able to consider that Stockholm Syndrome on Yuma's part. Really, they might be talking about the entire gang. What about Yuma's family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazeel3 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Did I miss a subbed episode or is that just speculation? We have some prove, But for now is just speculation. But at the end, the most important thing for Yuma is Astral. And they will fall in darkness together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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