Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXal Sub/Manga Official Discussion Thread

[tazeel3]

CHAOS GOD'S THAT RULE THE DEAMON'S WORLD, DESTROY THAT MORTAL THAT DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE TALK ABOUT!!

 

In 105 episode, Astral looking inside number 44 and 54 discover that once upon a time Durbe was the legendary hero that ride the pegasus (who now is the man called mach, who said that the legendary hero was taken to heaven) and Alit was the gladiator. Then continuing whit that Vector was the suicide prince. What he make with Durbe, that was taken by heaven? and continuing so all the barian's are dead men. Now all have sense. And Astral didn't are valid, i've seen his born and the fact that he could defeat a god is the prove that he was a super-living-war machine created by the people of the astral world. I were talking with kirei, remember.

[evilfusion]

We don't know enough yet to be able to point to something and say "This definitely happened and therefore this idea is impossible" unless there's an alternative speculation we can make. Sure, ideas could be improbable or unlikely, but your logic for dismissing the theories is no more concrete than the ideas that support the theories. You could be right and our theories could easily be wrong, but you're taking the logic in the form of extremes. Some people point to a lack of concrete evidence and say "There's nothing to prove it can happen", and other people point to the lack of evidence and say "There's nothing proving it can't happen".

 

We gathered now from canon that the Legendary Numbers and their ruins have some connection to memories of the Barians that they don't currently remember, and that all the Barians in their past life were killed violently. Until the newest episode is subbed or next episode has more visuals implying otherwise, Misael's past life is unknown.

 

If Durbe went to heaven as a pegasus rider who was killed by his friends, why is he a Barian lord? If Vector was an executioner who ultimately killed himself and everyone else, why is he a Barian lord? If Alit was a gladiator who was executed, why is he a Barian lord?

 

We're learning more about the Barians, but we don't know how they became Barians, or how the Barian world exists, or why they have past lives and memories. We don't know Don Thousand's true origin (I still think he's a further evolved Number 96). We could theorize that the Barian World is a purgatory state and the Astral World is a heaven state. Maybe the Barians when they died, felt they were incomplete and exist in that world now, resenting the heaven world they can't reach.

 

But that'd be annoying to theorize about.

[Aerion Brightflame]

That also sounds like it would be something written by C.S Lewis.

 

But essentially all this is speculation until presumabely Number 73's big reveal. Since that episode will hopefully address the Shark and Rio are Barian ideas, go over where on earth the missing Lords are (Since the preview mentions Durbe goes there searching for them), and if the former is true, how they are currently humans with no knowledge of it.

 

It could always be they were damaged like Durbe, and lost the ability to Barianphose, and hence the ability to return to there origional selves, and over time they just forgot, and became who they are now.

[Merci]

It could always be they were damaged like Durbe, and lost the ability to Barianphose, and hence the ability to return to there origional selves, and over time they just forgot, and became who they are now.

 

That's possible.

 

Getting around Tazeel's theory, perhaps Shark and Rio aren't descended from Barians, but actually are Barians themselves - simply with amnesia and locked in their human forms. Of course, this presents new problems, such as how their human parents would fit into this.

 

Besides, Barians can take human form. Apart from super-strength, there's not much separating them from a normal human being, so they might be able to reproduce with a human in this form. Even if they already died. There's no explicit rule that a revived person can't reproduce with a normal person, just like a zombie could theoretically make a child with a human depending upon its biology (although I doubt ZEXAL would ever touch upon that xD).

 

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CHAOS GOD'S THAT RULE THE DEAMON'S WORLD, DESTROY THAT MORTAL THAT DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE TALK ABOUT!!

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That's a little harsh. I haven't exactly been paying much attention to the recent episodes, probably because I'm too lazy to watch the episode again after the subs come out (I tend to watch the raws and then figure it out for myself).

[evilfusion]

The "actually are Barians" is the original theory, but I felt a descendant theory is more plausible, especially when you take the whole "Fathers of protagonists are plot-significant and are associated with Barian/Astral Worlds". Kaito's father is Dr. Faker, who got power from the Barian World. Yuma's father and Tron (III, IV, V's father) were sacrificed by Dr. Faker, with Tron ending up in the Barian World and returning as a villain wanting revenge against Dr. Faker. Kazuma evidently ended up in the Astral World.

 

Nothing is known about Shark and Rio's father/parents. Literally nothing.

[Blake]

Just saying that Mach claimed Durbe and him died, and apparently the wiki says the Barians are REINCARNATIONS of the past selves.

[tazeel3]

Rio and Shark mistery is too complicated. In a episode i see they were baby, so they arent barian empereor bloched in theire human form. Barian's are dead people, So we must wait to know the truth. so they couldn't have son. But what make Vector whit Durbe, who should be in the heaven? And no one notes that Charlie mc coy was copied by Twisted Fate, the League of Legends champion?

[Bringerofcake]

Here's a thought: What if the Barian Lords were originally human, and came into their Barian powers? This would explain:

1) Why humans from across history are reincarnated as alter-dimensional aliens - They were reincarnated as human first, then became aliens later.

2) Why the Barians already know how to function well enough in human society/a Duel (seriously, Alit uses HUMAN MONSTERS, Gilag is based on HUMAN HANDS)

3) Why the Barian World is a bunch of empty crystals without a society. It's hard to have a real society if there are only seven of you with one extra jerk along for the ride.

4) Why the Barians have human forms in the first place.

 

Based on this theory, and the discussions that have taken place in this thread, I believe that Shark and Rio are going to discover their past lives and their Barian Lord forms as time goes on.

[Blake]

Rio and Shark mistery is too complicated. In a episode i see they were baby, so they arent barian empereor bloched in theire human form. Barian's are dead people, So we must wait to know the truth. so they couldn't have son. But what make Vector whit Durbe, who should be in the heaven? And no one notes that Charlie mc coy was copied by Twisted Fate, the League of Legends champion?

Reincarnation =/= Dead People, so that's kinda wrong.

 

And please, post intelligently and in a literate manner, not obnoxiously.

[tazeel3]

Barian are creaturs whit eternal life, and they have an infinite reserve of new members from the human's world. Why they could want son? And the theory of lost barian empereors couldn't be real because, a time, they were children. If barian's are creature with eternal life and immutable body why a time rio and shark were children? 

[Blake]

[quote name="tazeel3" post="6209878" timestamp="1369714667"]Barian are creaturs whit eternal life, and they have an infinite reserve of new members from the human's world. Why they could want son? And the theory of lost barian empereors couldn't be real because, a time, they were children. If barian's are creature with eternal life and immutable body why a time rio and shark were children? [/quote] Hercules. Your entire argument has now lost all meaning.

[evilfusion]

Barian are creaturs whit eternal life, and they have an infinite reserve of new members from the human's world. Why they could want son? And the theory of lost barian empereors couldn't be real because, a time, they were children. If barian's are creature with eternal life and immutable body why a time rio and shark were children? 

 

Where was it ever stated that Barians have eternal life? The "new members" from the human world have always been brainwashed or were given power in exchange for their help (Dr. Faker, Tron). I don't see any reason to assume Barians having children is absolutely impossible or unthinkable. When Astral absorbed Number 83, the associated memory was essentially his own birth. This implies members of the Astral World and/or Barian World are born somehow.

 

Canon outright has said that 2 of the Barian lords disappeared. We have their names: Nasch and Merag. Durbe says that Shark reminds him of someone, and a following episode strongly implied that it's Nasch. And if your argument is that Shark can't be Nasch because he was a child at one point, that's a huge assumption, but doesn't take anything away from the idea that Shark (and Rio by extension) might be descended from a Barian, rather than a Barian lord themselves. Children frequently remind people of their parents. Several characters have compared Yuma to Kazuma, for example.

[tazeel3]

I've thought over that and i arrive at a conclusion: Rio and Shark are or a barian-human hibrid or they are pure barian but they didn't know that. I explain: To lost memory, they have to pass on the earth a lot of time, years, century. If they were children, they couldn't be here for too much. So or they were son of Nash or Meran whit a human (hibrid theory) or they were son of Nasch and Merag (pure barian theory) but if their parent's didn't say that to they, they didn't know that. And, for return to Charlie McCoy, watch "A Twist of fate" the first man that appear is Twisted Fate, and for me is the one that ispired Charlie. Watch it, is very beutiful. No blood. And don't expect fight like Yu-Gi-oh! anime monster's. They're champion that train all theire life for battle at the last blood. If someone after want to ask me something over the video, ask here.

[~British Soul~]

Getting off-topic from the whole Barian thing:

I'm interested to see how Kaito will get around the effect of Jinlong's Number, especially since Galaxy-Eyes is on the line. (If he loses, he has to give up Galaxy-Eyes)

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Getting off-topic from the whole Barian thing:

I'm interested to see how Kaito will get around the effect of Jinlong's Number, especially since Galaxy-Eyes is on the line. (If he loses, he has to give up Galaxy-Eyes)

His new toys, Overlay Sniper and Overlay Booster.

[~British Soul~]

His new toys, Overlay Sniper and Overlay Booster.

I knew that, though he has to get rid of Jinlong's other dragons since they'll be a nuisance.

[tazeel3]

No one think at Jinlon's fate? Kite will take the Number whit the Photon Hand and Jinlong will lose all his vital energy or his soul, do as you want. You know how is Kite:he not allow that Astral take the Number which he fought for. First Yuma must defeat him. 

And, talking about Astral.... no one suspect of him? During his duel whit Number 96, he had manipulated his opponents without him noticing. I thought.... and if he was making the same thing with Yuma and co.? In episode 104 , he want to convinced Yuma that he can only fight and destroy the Barian's and no one of them can be his friend. For all the anime he leaves to Yuma the freedom to think what he wanted. Maybe he want more control over him?

[evilfusion]

No one think at Jinlon's fate? Kite will take the Number whit the Photon Hand and Jinlong will lose all his vital energy or his soul, do as you want. You know how is Kite:he not allow that Astral take the Number which he fought for. First Yuma must defeat him. 

And, talking about Astral.... no one suspect of him? During his duel whit Number 96, he had manipulated his opponents without him noticing. I thought.... and if he was making the same thing with Yuma and co.? In episode 104 , he want to convinced Yuma that he can only fight and destroy the Barian's and no one of them can be his friend. For all the anime he leaves to Yuma the freedom to think what he wanted. Maybe he want more control over him?

 

I think it'd actually be extremely unlikely Kaito would use Photon Hand. It's significantly more likely that he'll be given the Number. III and IV demonstrated that while their crests gave them immunity to Photon Hand and Astral, III and V both were able to give up their Numbers by leaving them behind. Considering Jinlon is probably one of the Number guardians, he probably will give up the Number similar to how Mach did.

 

When Number Hunting, Kaito used Photon Hand because he essentially was told this was literally the only way to retrieve Numbers. The only Number he received without using Photon Hand was V's Dyson Sphere.

 

Suspect Astral of what? He's an incredibly skilled strategist. He didn't actually manipulate Number 96 at all. And with the Barians, well yes, this is the completely CORRECT way to think when facing a group of enemies who essentially want to KILL him and destroy his world. If Yuma, the person he relies on for most of the Dueling, takes it easy on a Barian because that Barian befriended him, that same courtesy will not necessarily be extended to Yuma and Astral, and Astral will disappear if Yuma loses.

 

Not to mention, if Astral is extending more control over Yuma (he really isn't so far), it might have something to do with the fact Yuma had trusted Shingetsu so completely that he agreed not to tell Astral that Shingetsu was a Barian, and hid the fact he had received Barian cards from him, which led to them falling into a gigantic trap laid by Vector.

[tazeel3]

So the problem for Yuma and Astral aren't to take the number from the Number guardian. The real problem are to take the number from the other character! Kaito will take 46, Shark 73, Dark mist 65.... they have to duel with a lot of people before to have all the seven number's. And Yuma have never win agains Kite. For Astral, i've only fear that he makes the poor alien that lost is memory but in the dark working to turn Yuma and the others in his.... what have said Tron.... "little, personal dolls" 

[Aerion Brightflame]

So the problem for Yuma and Astral aren't to take the number from the Number guardian. The real problem are to take the number from the other character! Kaito will take 46, Shark 73, Dark mist 65.... they have to duel with a lot of people before to have all the seven number's. And Yuma have never win agains Kite. For Astral, i've only fear that he makes the poor alien that lost is memory but in the dark working to turn Yuma and the others in his.... what have said Tron.... "little, personal dolls" 

 

Once all the Barian stuff is over Kaito will just give Yuma the number. He doesn't exactly need it anymore, given the only reason he was hunting them in the first place was because he thought he was saving Hart.

 

Shark probably would as well, depending on plot. If Yuma doesn't beat 96, and get both of those Numbers things will be odd. There's also the other like 50 odd they need to find to get all his memories back. So yeah, he has a lot of work to do. Astral odds are doesn't know enough about himself to be working such a huge regime. Unless he is secretly manipulating everyone on a gut feeling, I doubt he is at the moment.

[tazeel3]

I stopped to trust in Astral from episode 100. Not for a particulary thing that he did, only for a suspect. I suspect of Rei from the first moment, and i didn't take a crab. You can said that i'm paranoid, but i dont trust in Astral until he prove that he prove that he aren't manipulating all. A prove should be his reaction at Yuma's dead. If he have a reaction similar to Yuma's one, i can return to trust in him. But if his reaction is indifference, then will be the prove that i was no wrong. But anyone saw A Twist of  Fate? and the "Great work" was only for the seven, not for all the 99 number.

 

And if think that Kite, who fight for the number, a number that he could use against Misael efficently, give the number to Yuma that dosen't make anithing? At that point, he prove that he an Astral's slave.

[Blake]

[quote name="tazeel3" post="6212202" timestamp="1370060944"]I stopped to trust in Astral from episode 100. Not for a particulary thing that he did, only for a suspect. I suspect of Rei from the first moment, and i didn't take a crab. You can said that i'm paranoid, but i dont trust in Astral until he prove that he prove that he aren't manipulating all. A prove should be his reaction at Yuma's dead. If he have a reaction similar to Yuma's one, i can return to trust in him. But if his reaction is indifference, then will be the prove that i was no wrong. But anyone saw A Twist of  Fate? and the "Great work" was only for the seven, not for all the 99 number.   And if think that Kite, who fight for the number, a number that he could use against Misael efficently, give the number to Yuma that dosen't make anithing? At that point, he prove that he an Astral's slave.[/quote] ITT: Being a decent human being means you're a slave to someone I mean, you're just spouting off a constant stream of what is equivalent to incoherent conspiracy theories. The saying put up or shut up comes to mind...

[tazeel3]

ITT means "i translate that"? 

No, i'm only sayng that Kite will not give Draggluong to Yuma. Is the perfect number to shut up Misael deck! Misael plays an mono-dragon deck, so a number that negates dragon monster effects are the best. Misael is his rival, so why a "decent human" give to others the perfect weapon to destroy is nemesy?

 

And you can say all you want, but the day when Astral use is mind power to dominate Yuma&Co. minds i won't go herte to say "i told you...." 

[Dementuo]

ITT means "i translate that"? 

No, i'm only sayng that Kite will not give Draggluong to Yuma. Is the perfect number to shut up Misael deck! Misael plays an mono-dragon deck, so a number that negates dragon monster effects are the best. Misael is his rival, so why a "decent human" give to others the perfect weapon to destroy is nemesy?

 

And you can say all you want, but the day when Astral use is mind power to dominate Yuma&Co. minds i won't go herte to say "i told you...." 

ITT means "In This Topic".

Kaito takes Number 46. He duels Misael and beats him. He no longer has any reason to have Number 46.

[tazeel3]

Attention: I'm Barian, no ops i'm ITALIAN, so i come from the country of comedy and i must make a comic replise:

 

If they can end a duel! You don't know that they are affected by the "curse of the collapsed field"? Every times they fight, the field collapsse!

 

Episode 83: collapsed cause C107 power

Episode 98: collapsed cause Zexal II power

 

Result: they never end a duel! If Yuma have to wait that Kite defeat Misael, he have to wait for a very long time. I can imaginate the scene with all the Zexal character at a park, all very very old, and Yuma ask Kite if he can give to him Number 46, but replies no because he haven't defeated Misael, so shark ask if was collapsed the field, but Misael said no and said that the last time was collapsed his heart, so he must go to the hospital!