Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXal Sub/Manga Official Discussion Thread

[~British Soul~]

Also, the Number pattern mentioned before is continuing. All the Numbers revealed in Zexal II so far have a 4 or a 6 in the name. (66, 44, 65, 54, and 46)

...and will continue until Shark's duel against Abyss/Rio. (Since we know that Gilag will obtain Number 64)

[Aerion Brightflame]

So does that mean that Barians were originally Humans who became Barians through some means?

 

And it lends more weight to the idea that Rio and Shark are Barians. Or at least someone related to them.

[evilfusion]

So does that mean that Barians were originally Humans who became Barians through some means?

 

And it lends more weight to the idea that Rio and Shark are Barians. Or at least someone related to them.

 

Probably. It's not perfectly clear yet, but it seems that the Barians were humans in a previous life and are in that form associated with the 7 Numbers that Astral used to seal the Barian god.

 

I remember now that there's more to the story that hasn't been explained yet. Dr. Faker, while searching for the Barian World entrance, apparently knew of 21 points (Kazuma knew of the crucial 2 that Dr. Faker was missing) that related to different dimensions. Each of the 7 Numbers is kept in one of those ruins, and one of them, Dr. Faker used to access the Barian World, while Tron ended up lost in the Barian World and Kazuma evidently ended up in the Astral World. Therefore, it makes sense that 7 of those points are deeply involved with the Barians and the Numbers.

 

Barians evidently must take human form when going to the human world. Astral is the only known member of his race to go to the human world and he did not have to take a human form (although no one can see him normally). I still have my theory about Number 96 becoming Don Thousand, but at least evidence is pointing to the idea that the Barian World is somehow spawned off the Astral World in some way. But we know so little about the Astral and Barian Worlds other than what the characters have shown.

 

For example, we hear screams when Haruto's power was used to attack the Astral World, but we never see people or anything resembling living conditions. The Barian World has the Barian lords as the only seen inhabitants, and the only real structures is their...throne room? Durbe is intent on protecting the Barian World, but what is there to save? Later episode previews strongly implies the Barian and Astral World are linked somehow, since they cannot interact directly, and I think the manga stated that if the Astral World was destroyed, the human world would be destroyed too.

 

Still so much unknown...although it could also mean that the Galaxy-Eyes relationship is that Number 46 (being a Number) is of Astral World origin. Number 107 being an Over-hundred Number is of Barian origin. Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon...not human origin, but perhaps human-forged. Dr. Faker probably created Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon. If Kaito's Deck was built with Dr. Faker's science and Barian World power/help, then maybe Photon Dragon was spawned from Tachyon Dragon, and that's why Misael wants it: It's technically part of his monster.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Probably. It's not perfectly clear yet, but it seems that the Barians were humans in a previous life and are in that form associated with the 7 Numbers that Astral used to seal the Barian god.

 

I remember now that there's more to the story that hasn't been explained yet. Dr. Faker, while searching for the Barian World entrance, apparently knew of 21 points (Kazuma knew of the crucial 2 that Dr. Faker was missing) that related to different dimensions. Each of the 7 Numbers is kept in one of those ruins, and one of them, Dr. Faker used to access the Barian World, while Tron ended up lost in the Barian World and Kazuma evidently ended up in the Astral World. Therefore, it makes sense that 7 of those points are deeply involved with the Barians and the Numbers.

Still so much unknown...although it could also mean that the Galaxy-Eyes relationship is that Number 46 (being a Number) is of Astral World origin. Number 107 being an Over-hundred Number is of Barian origin. Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon...not human origin, but perhaps human-forged. Dr. Faker probably created Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon. If Kaito's Deck was built with Dr. Faker's science and Barian World power/help, then maybe Photon Dragon was spawned from Tachyon Dragon, and that's why Misael wants it: It's technically part of his monster.

 

That would make sense. Given that if Number 46 was at one of the ruins, and that 107 was in it's own kinda dimension, Faker could have been at one of them, and therefore stolen some of it's power to create Galaxy-Eyes.

 

But yeah, there is a lot missing from the equation, which hopefully will be revealed. It's amazing, ZeXal has a kinda complex plot...

[evilfusion]

That would make sense. Given that if Number 46 was at one of the ruins, and that 107 was in it's own kinda dimension, Faker could have been at one of them, and therefore stolen some of it's power to create Galaxy-Eyes.

 

But yeah, there is a lot missing from the equation, which hopefully will be revealed. It's amazing, ZeXal has a kinda complex plot...

 

I added more to my theory in the Number 46 topic.

 

Since Dr. Faker encountered Vector, I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest (considering that Vector's a prick like that) if Vector provided Dr. Faker with some sort of access to Tachyon Dragon's power. But it was shown at Tachyon's debut that it was an actual dragon that Misael sealed in a card. None of the other Over-hundred Numbers have this kind of scene. Misael also commented about how Tachyon still exhausts him, even now.

 

Misael is also definitely related to the ruins and Number 46. Number 46 definitely becomes Tachyon Dragon, at the very least. Whether there's a split involved, or a transformation related to how the Barians exist as Barians, or whatever, it's not clear yet. But Tachyon and Number 46 are definitely related and Galaxy-Eyes is probably spawned from Tachyon.

 

As a further amusement value, here's something to notice. Galaxy-Eyes and Tachyon are almost perfect counters for each other, depending on which one attacks first. If Galaxy-Eyes uses its effect first, Tachyon won't be able to use its effect and Galaxy-Eyes will gain ATK for the absorbed Overlay Units. Anime Tachyon has to wait until all battles that Battle Phase has concluded, so it will "lose" to Photon Dragon. But give Tachyon an Overlay Unit, and Tachyon crushes Photon Dragon by negating its effect, removing the ATK boosts, and it has the Number immunity while Photon Dragon does not. Tachyon wins in that case.

 

Number 46 negates BOTH of them. Tachyon can still defeat Number 46 in battle at the cost of also being destroyed, because they're both Numbers. Galaxy-Eyes can't touch Number 46 at all. Therefore...Number 46 >= Tachyon > Galaxy-Eyes. This provides more evidence that Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon is spawned off of Tachyon, rather than off of Number 46.

[Northern Sage]

I loved the continuous reference to Dragon Cards (Soul-eating? Water and Wood Dragons?). Kaito should get Mytical Fire, Earth and/or Metal Dragons for coolness.

[Aerion Brightflame]

There's one small thing that suggests a different theory, namely the name of this: Which includes Gluon, another fundamental particle which serves a similar role to Photons.

 

Which whilst a minor idea for a link, still suggests something when you consider: Tachyon's are theoretical particles that move faster than the speed of light, and therefore faster than a Photon. Which is loose evidence of Tachyon being what Photon Dragon originates from.

 

But the naming of it kinda suggests to me that 46 and Galaxy-Eyes both originate from 107. This also factors in the fact that Tachyon still exists completely separately from it's card, and had to be forced into one by Miseal. Not to mention: 107 proved itself stronger than a normal number (Utopia), and could only be put down by a Evolution of Galaxy-Eyes, where as then it's evolution was strong enough to destabilize the Sphere Field, which neither of the other RUM Chaos Numbers did. Which to me suggests that Tachyon is the full thing to an extent.

 

That's just a theory of mine.

[Jord200]

I just thought of something. All the evidence of Rio and Shark possibly being Barian, or being related to them. The two monsters in the opening with Rio. One of them is most likely Number 73. The other isn't a Chaos Xyz. Its another Number. Number 103. Rio/Merag's Over 100 Number. Think about it. It resembles Slephine even. Why 103? 101 would belong to the leader ( Nasche ) of the Barian Lords.

[evilfusion]

There's one small thing that suggests a different theory, namely the name of this: Which includes Gluon, another fundamental particle which serves a similar role to Photons.

 

Which whilst a minor idea for a link, still suggests something when you consider: Tachyon's are theoretical particles that move faster than the speed of light, and therefore faster than a Photon. Which is loose evidence of Tachyon being what Photon Dragon originates from.

 

But the naming of it kinda suggests to me that 46 and Galaxy-Eyes both originate from 107. This also factors in the fact that Tachyon still exists completely separately from it's card, and had to be forced into one by Miseal. Not to mention: 107 proved itself stronger than a normal number (Utopia), and could only be put down by a Evolution of Galaxy-Eyes, where as then it's evolution was strong enough to destabilize the Sphere Field, which neither of the other RUM Chaos Numbers did. Which to me suggests that Tachyon is the full thing to an extent.

 

That's just a theory of mine.

 

A possible theory. I only made the Photon vs Tachyon science due to them both being "Galaxy-Eyes" monsters, which Number 46 is not.

 

Number 107 is very unlikely to be the original, though. The Over-Hundred Numbers seem to be exclusive to the 7 Barian lords, and were probably created/designed to be able to fight Astral's Numbers, as they are also "Number" monsters. In the same vein, the Barians use Rank-Up Magic to create Chaos Xyz from regular Xyz monsters, which also possess the ability to defeat Numbers.

 

My most recent thought on CXyz vs Numbers is that Astral said those with a Ranked-Up Soul can access the Astral World. The Numbers are explicitly not of the human world and cannot be defeated by cards of the human world. Only Numbers (Astral World origin), Over-Hundred Numbers (Barian origin), and CXyz (Barian origin) can defeat Numbers, although Shark proved that the effect is a monster effect and can be negated with Black Ray Lancer.

 

Only Rank-Up Magic - Barian's Force is able to Summon CXyz. Limited Barian's Force and Numeron Force only work on Number C monsters. Since Barian's Force, according to my extended theory, is a simulation of Ranking Up a person's soul, the result logically can defeat Numbers because Numbers are already "Ranked-Up" by default of being from the Astral World and CXyz are evolved versions of human world Xyz.

 

To me, it just seems extremely unlikely that 107 would be the origin of 46 rather than vice versa. I assume that Number 46, being an Astral Number would come before 107, a Barian Number that is not part of the Astral Number set. Of course, we can still consider that Tachyon Dragon seems to have a shtick of "going back in time" when it uses its Tachyon Transmigration. If anything, I'd expect Tachyon is Number 46 after it receives a power to travel through time/space.

 

The fact you noticed C107 broke the Barian Sphere Field actually helps the Number 46 theory because maybe Tachyon is the only Over-Hundred Number that is derived from an Astral Number, whereas the others so far are not. Of course, both Gilag and Alit noted that using their Rank-Up Magics in the Sphere Field was exhausting (Gilag was very blatant about the cost of using it).

 

But, we might be giving the writers too much credit. This could easily become one of those shows where the fandom theories are better than what actually happens.

I just thought of something. All the evidence of Rio and Shark possibly being Barian, or being related to them. The two monsters in the opening with Rio. One of them is most likely Number 73. The other isn't a Chaos Xyz. Its another Number. Number 103. Rio/Merag's Over 100 Number. Think about it. It resembles Slephine even. Why 103? 101 would belong to the leader ( Nasche ) of the Barian Lords.

 

Is that a theory, or is there actual proof/confirmation that the other monster is 103?

 

Of course, if it is, I fully agree.

[Jord200]

A possible theory. I only made the Photon vs Tachyon science due to them both being "Galaxy-Eyes" monsters, which Number 46 is not.

 

Number 107 is very unlikely to be the original, though. The Over-Hundred Numbers seem to be exclusive to the 7 Barian lords, and were probably created/designed to be able to fight Astral's Numbers, as they are also "Number" monsters. In the same vein, the Barians use Rank-Up Magic to create Chaos Xyz from regular Xyz monsters, which also possess the ability to defeat Numbers.

 

My most recent thought on CXyz vs Numbers is that Astral said those with a Ranked-Up Soul can access the Astral World. The Numbers are explicitly not of the human world and cannot be defeated by cards of the human world. Only Numbers (Astral World origin), Over-Hundred Numbers (Barian origin), and CXyz (Barian origin) can defeat Numbers, although Shark proved that the effect is a monster effect and can be negated with Black Ray Lancer.

 

Only Rank-Up Magic - Barian's Force is able to Summon CXyz. Limited Barian's Force and Numeron Force only work on Number C monsters. Since Barian's Force, according to my extended theory, is a simulation of Ranking Up a person's soul, the result logically can defeat Numbers because Numbers are already "Ranked-Up" by default of being from the Astral World and CXyz are evolved versions of human world Xyz.

 

To me, it just seems extremely unlikely that 107 would be the origin of 46 rather than vice versa. I assume that Number 46, being an Astral Number would come before 107, a Barian Number that is not part of the Astral Number set. Of course, we can still consider that Tachyon Dragon seems to have a shtick of "going back in time" when it uses its Tachyon Transmigration. If anything, I'd expect Tachyon is Number 46 after it receives a power to travel through time/space.

 

The fact you noticed C107 broke the Barian Sphere Field actually helps the Number 46 theory because maybe Tachyon is the only Over-Hundred Number that is derived from an Astral Number, whereas the others so far are not. Of course, both Gilag and Alit noted that using their Rank-Up Magics in the Sphere Field was exhausting (Gilag was very blatant about the cost of using it).

 

But, we might be giving the writers too much credit. This could easily become one of those shows where the fandom theories are better than what actually happens.

 

Is that a theory, or is there actual proof/confirmation that the other monster is 103?

 

Of course, if it is, I fully agree.

 

 

My stuff is all theory. I just thought it would make sense for the leader to have Number 101.

[Northern Sage]

My stuff is all theory. I just thought it would make sense for the leader to have Number 101.

Considering 107 I would like to say that the hierarchy probably isn't based directly on the number order.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Number 107 is very unlikely to be the original, though. The Over-Hundred Numbers seem to be exclusive to the 7 Barian lords, and were probably created/designed to be able to fight Astral's Numbers, as they are also "Number" monsters. In the same vein, the Barians use Rank-Up Magic to create Chaos Xyz from regular Xyz monsters, which also possess the ability to defeat Numbers.

 

My only issue with that, is that for Tachyon is that it's been proved to be an entirely separate entity from it's card, and is feared by the Barians for it's power. Miseal is potentially the only being capable of controlling that. If it were designed, I doubt it would be like that, and would instead be like the other Chaos Numbers. It might reference it being the result of one of Astral's Numbers, but that raises the issue for me about how it became like it, and how Astral wouldn't recognize that outright, or at least get some kind of recognition from it. Since if it was the result of Number 46, it's power would still be fundamentally recognizable by Astral.

 

My most recent thought on CXyz vs Numbers is that Astral said those with a Ranked-Up Soul can access the Astral World. The Numbers are explicitly not of the human world and cannot be defeated by cards of the human world. Only Numbers (Astral World origin), Over-Hundred Numbers (Barian origin), and CXyz (Barian origin) can defeat Numbers, although Shark proved that the effect is a monster effect and can be negated with Black Ray Lancer.

 

Only Rank-Up Magic - Barian's Force is able to Summon CXyz. Limited Barian's Force and Numeron Force only work on Number C monsters. Since Barian's Force, according to my extended theory, is a simulation of Ranking Up a person's soul, the result logically can defeat Numbers because Numbers are already "Ranked-Up" by default of being from the Astral World and CXyz are evolved versions of human world Xyz.

 

In the anime all of the Rank-Ups can supposedly work on anything for anything, not just for Numbers in the case of the latter two. It's just Limited has the Rank 4 restriction. Though that does make sense with how they posses the ability to destroy Numbers.

 

To me, it just seems extremely unlikely that 107 would be the origin of 46 rather than vice versa. I assume that Number 46, being an Astral Number would come before 107, a Barian Number that is not part of the Astral Number set. Of course, we can still consider that Tachyon Dragon seems to have a shtick of "going back in time" when it uses its Tachyon Transmigration. If anything, I'd expect Tachyon is Number 46 after it receives a power to travel through time/space.

 

I guess we'll find out the truth of it.

 

The fact you noticed C107 broke the Barian Sphere Field actually helps the Number 46 theory because maybe Tachyon is the only Over-Hundred Number that is derived from an Astral Number, whereas the others so far are not. Of course, both Gilag and Alit noted that using their Rank-Up Magics in the Sphere Field was exhausting (Gilag was very blatant about the cost of using it)

 

But, we might be giving the writers too much credit. This could easily become one of those shows where the fandom theories are better than what actually happens.

 

We probably are, but we can still speculate dang it. But anyhow, we can hopefully find out about it next week. Or at least shed some light on it.

[evilfusion]

My hunch is that the Barian Numbers aren't specifically on a hierarchy. 107 is Misael and he's essentially below Durbe, on-par with Vector, and above Gilag and Alit. Durbe seemed to be the leader, but two of their members are missing, and I seem to recall that Durbe, when thinking about Nasche, showed the silhouette sitting on the throne at the top of the stairs. Only Vector has sat anywhere near there, and Vector is disrespectful and egotistical so no shock there.

 

Durbe is definitely highest on the hierarchy of the known 5 lords, and he has Number 102. I do think the leader of the lords will have Number 101, though. It just seems appropriate, and if Durbe isn't the leader, then either Nasch or Merag is and with 101 and 103 unknown, it just seems logical. Also, Durbe explicitly has respect for Nasch, and that makes it more likely Nasch outranks him or is a mentor in some form.

[~British Soul~]

Durbe is definitely highest on the hierarchy of the known 5 lords, and he has Number 102. I do think the leader of the lords will have Number 101, though. It just seems appropriate, and if Durbe isn't the leader, then either Nasch or Merag is and with 101 and 103 unknown, it just seems logical. Also, Durbe explicitly has respect for Nasch, and that makes it more likely Nasch outranks him or is a mentor in some form.

I would also think that Nasch would have Number 101 as well.

 

I just thought of something. All the evidence of Rio and Shark possibly being Barian, or being related to them. The two monsters in the opening with Rio. One of them is most likely Number 73. The other isn't a Chaos Xyz. Its another Number. Number 103. Rio/Merag's Over 100 Number. Think about it. It resembles Sylphine even. Why 103? 101 would belong to the leader (Nasch) of the Barian Lords.

Well we won't know for another 3/4 weeks, though I'm inclined to think that Number 103 might not be seen in that duel imo.

[Dementuo]

Did anyone else notice that 46's roar sounds a lot like the good old Crimson Dragon?

[Sleepy]

Did anyone else notice that 46's roar sounds a lot like the good old Crimson Dragon?

I was just talking about that outside the computer xD
What if the Crimson Dragon actually never appeared in 5Ds because he was a Number?[/inb4trollingthefans]

 

Number 5 Crimson Dragon

Rank 1

5 Level 1 Dragon-Type Synchro Monsters

*shot*

[Northern Sage]

I was just talking about that outside the computer xD
What if the Crimson Dragon actually never appeared in 5Ds because he was a Number?[/inb4trollingthefans]

 

Number 5 Crimson Dragon

Rank 1

5 Level 1 Dragon-Type Synchro Monsters

*shot*

How the heck would you summon that?

[Dementuo]

How the heck would you summon that?

Do what Yusei does and pull cards from thin air.

aka cheat

[Sleepy]

How the heck would you summon that?

Yup, in the same way Yusei brought out Quasar, except with something extra to make Life-Stream Level 1 as well xD

Those conditions I made up mainly as a rage motive for fans.

 

It'd actually be ver upsetting to make the god of 5Ds into a simple Number. Just like it was for me when Jaden "saved" a crying Ra from some filler character back in GX.

[Bringerofcake]

[spoiler=spoiler]]If Kaito's set card is Lumenize, and Jinlong attacks GEPD with it, I'm gonna laugh.[/spoiler]

[tazeel3]

Lumenize can be actived only when the opponenet's attack directly. If jinlong didn't attack directly, kaito culdn't active that. To return to zexal thery, There's sominght that didn't go. Durbe must be in the heaven like Mach said. WHAT HE MAKE WITH VECTOR? He killed all is people and himself. No one could allow he to enter in the Heaven. And Rio and Shark couldn't be Barian because they couldn't see Astral from the start. All the Barian demostrate to see Astral. Gorgonic guardian must be a monster that Rio use when she was controlled by Abbys. The magazine shows only very near monster.And for conclude, for me no one can put is hand over the numeron code. All know that Vector is mad and destructive, but Astral has the power to seal god's. What he can make with a similar card in his hand? For me Astral is a super-living- war machine created by the astral world to win the war. And Nasch couldn't be the leader of the Barian's. Yuma's nemesy is Vector. The end battle were by with him.

[evilfusion]

Lumenize is not restricted to direct attacks. It negates one attack, direct or otherwise, and increases a Light monster's ATK by the ATK of the opposing monster.

 

It's unlikely Shark and Rio are pure Barians. I'm leaning towards, if anything, they're descended from Barians. Being half-Barian might justify their inability to see Astral. Although considering Rio has premonitions about Barian events, it's curious that she couldn't see Astral from the start.

 

Being a protagonist's nemesis doesn't grant leader status among similarly aligned characters. Otherwise, Vector would be leader of the Barians, and he definitely is not. Durbe clearly outranks Vector. Besides, Vector considered Shark, Kaito, and Yuma to be his enemies prior to Yuma defeating him with C39 - Victory.

 

The only plus Vector has over Durbe is that Vector sacrificed his life to revive Don Thousand for the sole purpose of getting power to beat Yuma and Astral (he's extremely specific about beating Yuma as well as Astral). But he kept that secret from the other Barians, it seems, so he's still subordinate to Durbe.

[tazeel3]

Barian's couldn't have son. They were dead human's. Durbe now should be in the Heaven. BUT WHY HE IS WITH VECTOR, WHO WAS AN ASSASSIN AND A SUICIDAL? Otherwise, dead man couldn't have son. And how his father can have son? They're all man!

[Merci]

Barian's couldn't have son. They were dead human's. Durbe now should be in the Heaven. BUT WHY HE IS WITH VECTOR, WHO WAS AN ASSASSIN AND A SUICIDAL? Otherwise, dead man couldn't have son. And how his father can have son? They're all man!

 

Alright, your previous post at least had some sort of sense, but this...this makes absolutely none.

 

Barians are aliens, from the Barian World, which is a world composed almost entirely out of energy. They are not dead humans, nor has that ever been said. If it has, please point out to me the episode, and I will apologize.

 

Why would Durbe be in heaven? That makes no sense. Oh, and [b]Vector's keeping his activities secret from the others[/b], so they don't know about that. And who said Vector was suicidal? That part also made no sense

 

And how do you know all Barians are men anyway? Has it ever been stated We've seen a female Astral appear, so surely Barians must be the same. It's not a stretch to say that female Barians just haven't appeared yet.

 

I can accept Barians and Astrals being born asexually, but your logic is a little odd. Can you please point out the episodes to back up your statements? Thank you.

[evilfusion]

I assume part of the logic is based off the fact the Legendary Numbers and the ruins seem to somehow be associated with the Barians in a past life. The ruins with Number 65 stated the king there was an executioner who eventually killed everyone and himself. This was associated with Vector's memories and Don Thousand even had knowledge of the Number's location based on Vector's memories (although Vector himself doesn't remember). Durbe was associated with Number 44, and last episode all but confirmed that Durbe was the Pegasus rider in a previous life.

 

Right now, people are just theorizing about Shark and Rio being Barian in some way. We could be thinking too hard about nothing, but there's enough evidence pointing to the possibility that it's a fun theory. It's similar to the 5Ds theory that ZONE is future Yusei. The actual reveal...anticlimactic as hell. I hope it's not like that here.

 

Just because all the Barians known so far have been male doesn't mean they all are. There are two unseen Barians so far known as Nasch and Merag. Nasch is almost certainly male, but Merag COULD be a female name. And the theory that Shark and Rio are descended from Barians could mean a Barian is a father with a human mother, since Barians take on human form when they come to the human world.