Premier Alexander Romanov Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Um...FinalFan, you know, you should finish reading people's posts before they're dead. What Evilfusion is trying to say is that if we have Seven Barian Emperors, then wouldn't be more logical for each of them to possess one of the 100+ Numbers, going up to 107? Otherwise, it'd be pointless. ZEXAL's failed to make much sense anyways, even by the standards of Yu-Gi-Oh!. Why start now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Zexal makes sense at times, it just executes some aspects very sloppily (like Yuma's Hope fetish). 5Ds did similar with the whole Z-One's identity thing. All the clues added up, and the reveal was predictable...but instead of the expected explanation, they took a sharp left and made the whole thing ridiculously dumb as a reveal. The thing I felt was Zexal's greatest potential was the main character might actually use more than 1 ace card, because the very PREMISE was collecting 100 different Extra Deck cards. By the way, does anyone else wonder what the hell Kaito does with his time these days? Because previously, we know he was gathering information and tracking down Numbers holders in order to heal Haruto, and in his free time, he'd visit Haruto. But now Haruto is healed, and as far as anyone can tell, he barely Duels at all, and only shows up in dire circumstances. He seems to have no interest in collecting Numbers, even to help Yuma and Astral. Sure, he shows up to help against Varian threats, but what the hell does he do with his time?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Zexal makes sense at times, it just executes some aspects very sloppily (like Yuma's Hope fetish). 5Ds did similar with the whole Z-One's identity thing. All the clues added up, and the reveal was predictable...but instead of the expected explanation, they took a sharp left and made the whole thing ridiculously dumb as a reveal. The thing I felt was Zexal's greatest potential was the main character might actually use more than 1 ace card, because the very PREMISE was collecting 100 different Extra Deck cards. By the way, does anyone else wonder what the hell Kaito does with his time these days? Because previously, we know he was gathering information and tracking down Numbers holders in order to heal Haruto, and in his free time, he'd visit Haruto. But now Haruto is healed, and as far as anyone can tell, he barely Duels at all, and only shows up in dire circumstances. He seems to have no interest in collecting Numbers, even to help Yuma and Astral. Sure, he shows up to help against Varian threats, but what the hell does he do with his time?! Yeah, and he had the cards that could get out his different Numbers (the Gagagas), and he has used other monsters...sparingly... As for Kaito, I guess making up for lost time with Haruto, as he was often hunting Numbers. Maybe he's pursuing that romance with Dextr- Oh, Horakty, I just threw up in my mouth a bit at thinking about the stupid Kaito-Dextra romantic subplot that was hinted at. Eww... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I figure that Droite's interest in Kaito is one-sided. He's never shown any interest towards her at all. Which reminds me, in this episode, Yuma apparently hadn't learned not to grab Kaito's collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zextra Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Which reminds me, in this episode, Yuma apparently hadn't learned not to grab Kaito's collar. Sorry if this has been pointed out countless times already, but when I saw that, my immediate thought was that situation between Kaiba and Joey :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 [spoiler='…']Good interactions. Just wondering where the heck Doctor Faker is now. And our supporting cast jump in for no good reason again… Real duel monsters. Huh. Vector gets more and more hysterical as time goes on.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I was actually pissed that the side characters invited themselves. All of them are useless, not even good comic relief. They don't Duel (much), have little plot relevence, are uninteresting as characters, and have absolutely NO reason to come on this journey, even if they want to support Yuma and co. It's reminding me now of the other Dimension arc of GX, where the side characters came along, did nothing useful, and got captured/killed to awaken the main character's dark side. At least Jim and Axel in GX got to Duel the Supreme King, and GX was deconstructing the idea of a high school kid having to constantly risk his life in Duels, which him being the sole one who could do it, and how that would mess him up badly. I sincerely doubt Zexal is going to do anything remotely as good. Kotori herself is currently one of my most hated Zexal characters. She's always been a cheerleader, and while her good moments are solid, she's useless 99% of the time, and the writers are constantly finding excuses to include her on the scene whenever Yuma Duels. At first, this was understandable because Duels tended to be unexpected results of whatever activity they were doing together or he specifically called for her to show up for some reason, but around the WDC finals, it got blatant just how badly they want Kotori on the scene for no reason. She was most valuable during the Finals because she wasn't standing 5 feet away from Yuma, and therefore her concerned "Yuma..." and talking to other spectators made sense for the situation. The fact she's a blatant shipping partner for Yuma is also a pain, because while she was cute early in the series, her existence is so grating that I'd prefer Cathy, Rio, or god forbid, Anna, to her. Because even though Cathy has like one shtick to her character, she's more amusing than Kotori. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Kotori- Useless fanservice cheerleader Takashi- He should have just been "Put on a Bus" so to say after his intro. Tonnsuke- See Takashi. Testuo- At the very least, he helped save Yuma from Black Mist, but that was a while ago so..... Cathy- At least her character is interesting, sadly thats it. Anna- See Cathy. Rei- The Bruno/Johan of Zexal. Need I say more? Rio- At least she's ACTUALLY part of the plot, since she's why Shark hated IV's guts. Fanservice character, but not subjected to it as bad as Kotori. Kaito- Like evilfusion said, what does he do these days? Maybe spending time with his dad, who he is on better terms with now, his brother, and Orbital? Haruto- Granted the kid went into a coma after being kidnapped by the Tron Family, but now that he's cured, I think his part has ended. Shark- Rival character like Kaito. Enough said. So yeah. Rio, Rei, Shark, and Kaito are the only REALLY important ones. Kotori wouldn't be that bad if she ACTUALLY did something important. The way she is, I would have rather had Cathy or Anna as the main female protaganist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zextra Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Kotori herself is currently one of my most hated Zexal characters. Kotori- Useless fanservice cheerleader :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxH7JLVdhc I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 The "What does Kaito do?" question might be or might not be answered depending on the answer to this: Back in the valentine's filler of Orbital 7. what was Orbital 7 looking for exactly (you know, before he fell from the sky)? =0 Err... IDK Ana and Kotori are about even to me. The few times Ana has appeared, she's really annoyed me. Her first encounter with Yuma has no excuse, the actual guy had no resemblance to Yuma in appearance, attitude, name, or anything, and even if it did, after such a long time you might as well present yourself again, and even if he WAS the guy, they were never close at all anyways. She is also too demanding and agressive, it gets on my nerves. I really want someone in that universe to arrest her for that cannon or something to get her out of the picture... Kotori, as said above, is just a cheerleader/fanservice character. Even when she has the spotlight, she's a cheerleader, and I never understood her even hanging out with Yuma, if they do nothing but Duel, and she doesn't even know how to after many years of watching, she needs to change her passtimes. What are the other options? Oh yeah, Cathy... she's above the other 2 to me. She's weird but that's about it. If the writers gave her better cards and a chance to shine, she would. She actually has been useful in the past because of how effective her cat info network is, and how fast and flexible she is. Rio is, probably too nice for Yuma, but no problem either. It actually annoys me how Yuma adresses her. The strongest female duelist of ZeXal, and it's just "Shark's sister" to him. but male characters that were one-shot fillers he has no problem with. =( Actually, the whole Number's club is useless if they don't do anything. They don't search for Numbers, they don't fight Numbers, they don't understand Numbers, they can't even see/touch the Numbers that Yuma has around most of the time because Astral is always using them for his research. Most of the characters that DO play with/against Numbers aren't even part of the club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 The "What does Kaito do?" question might be or might not be answered depending on the answer to this: Back in the valentine's filler of Orbital 7. what was Orbital 7 looking for exactly (you know, before he fell from the sky)? =0 Err... IDK Ana and Kotori are about even to me. The few times Ana has appeared, she's really annoyed me. Her first encounter with Yuma has no excuse, the actual guy had no resemblance to Yuma in appearance, attitude, name, or anything, and even if it did, after such a long time you might as well present yourself again, and even if he WAS the guy, they were never close at all anyways. She is also too demanding and agressive, it gets on my nerves. I really want someone in that universe to arrest her for that cannon or something to get her out of the picture... Kotori, as said above, is just a cheerleader/fanservice character. Even when she has the spotlight, she's a cheerleader, and I never understood her even hanging out with Yuma, if they do nothing but Duel, and she doesn't even know how to after many years of watching, she needs to change her passtimes. What are the other options? Oh yeah, Cathy... she's above the other 2 to me. She's weird but that's about it. If the writers gave her better cards and a chance to shine, she would. She actually has been useful in the past because of how effective her cat info network is, and how fast and flexible she is. Rio is, probably too nice for Yuma, but no problem either. It actually annoys me how Yuma adresses her. The strongest female duelist of ZeXal, and it's just "Shark's sister" to him. but male characters that were one-shot fillers he has no problem with. =( Actually, the whole Number's club is useless if they don't do anything. They don't search for Numbers, they don't fight Numbers, they don't understand Numbers, they can't even see/touch the Numbers that Yuma has around most of the time because Astral is always using them for his research. Most of the characters that DO play with/against Numbers aren't even part of the club... They're like the kids in Case Closed, except less competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Yeah. At least in the manga, I think Tetsuo TRIED to take down a Numbers Holder. He still lost, but he tried at least. Plus in his defense, Number 42 was insane in the manga. Also, I have a theory who Nasche might be. He could be Kazuma. Tron was turned into a child from the ritual. Maybe Kazuma was too, and he's using Nasche as an alias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I was also thinking that Nasch is Kazuma as well. It'd make sense as after Byron Arclight was turned into a child, he went under the alias of Tron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Kazuma has been seen in adult form, though, back when III and Yuma Dueled. Also, wasn't the idea that while Tron ended up in the Varian world, Kazuma was trapped in the Astral World? V said that Kazuma was still alive, but in the Astral world (no idea how HE would know that, though). But I have no real objection to the theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I actually had forgotten that the Astral World was a thing. They just never mention it much. It's all about Varians, and I can't recall exactly when did ZeXal start using that word. My first recollection of hearing it was when Tron Chained Astral at IV's and Shark's duel. Maybe they used it before but I just disregarded it as a misstranslation or something.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I actually had forgotten that the Astral World was a thing. They just never mention it much. It's all about Varians, and I can't recall exactly when did ZeXal start using that word. My first recollection of hearing it was when Tron Chained Astral at IV's and Shark's duel. Maybe they used it before but I just disregarded it as a misstranslation or something.... The Varian/Barian term was first used in episode 23, to my recollection (Kaito vs Astral part 1). Kaito used it to describe the light that powers Orbital. When Astral asked why Kaito was hunting Numbers, Kaito answered he wanted to know the connection between the Astral World, Numbers, and Varian World. Astral repeated the term in confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I actually had forgotten that the Astral World was a thing. They just never mention it much. It's all about Varians, and I can't recall exactly when did ZeXal start using that word. My first recollection of hearing it was when Tron Chained Astral at IV's and Shark's duel. Maybe they used it before but I just disregarded it as a misstranslation or something.... The first ones to mention it were Kite and Orbital 7, Episode 23-ish. They were trying to gain access to the Emperor's Key, but nothing from this world would react to it, so one of them suggested the Varian's Light, which is an energy source from another world. They tried it, and BAM, Kite's inside the Key and dueling Astral and stuff. Edit: Curses, ninja'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zextra Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 [quote name="Hootcake" post="6164239" timestamp="1363635641"]They're like the kids in Case Closed, except less competent.[/quote] You do not know just how much I agree with you here... Thank you for pointing that out :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 They're like the kids in Case Closed, except less competent. If you've read the manga, they're a lot more competent. They use Cathy's supercomputer thing (since she has heaps of money) to try and track down Numbers, helping Yuma while he's at it. Also, they have a much clearer goal (to stop Dr Faker from destroying the world). ... Well, the GX and 5D's mangas were also better than their anime counterparts, so I suppose it's only natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 If you've read the manga, they're a lot more competent. They use Cathy's supercomputer thing (since she has heaps of money) to try and track down Numbers, helping Yuma while he's at it. Also, they have a much clearer goal (to stop Dr Faker from destroying the world). Well, the GX and 5D's mangas were also better than their anime counterparts, so I suppose it's only natural. It's somewhat similar to what I think of the Pokemon Adventures Manga. Plot-wise it's better than the anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 So has the latest episode finally revealed how Rei and Vector are related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Maybe. I don't think we will know for sure until the episode is subbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 So has the latest episode finally revealed how Rei and Vector are related? We have… this. http://wendymoto.tumblr.com/post/46149372869/3-minutes-and-14-seconds-of-this-awesome-scene [spoiler='Spoilers.']Rei is Vector. I think.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 We have… this. http://wendymoto.tumblr.com/post/46149372869/3-minutes-and-14-seconds-of-this-awesome-scene [spoiler='Spoilers.']Rei is Vector. I think.[/spoiler] [spoiler=If really so...] J/S I told you so. I mean, it was painfully obvious, especially with Rei magically leaving the series as vector appeared. Not like it's the first bait and switch like this ever. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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