evilfusion Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Why do you think I'm so thrilled? I fully expected the other result, and it happened in an epic manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Actually, the whole fact that ZeXaL is starting to parallel GX (Both characters using a card, reminiscent of Jaden VS Zane) actually supports the theory that DP Yuma will be release TCG alongside DP Kaito, because DP Jaden was released alongside DP Chazz iirc. [spoiler=Spoiler] Also, I'm glad that they gave Kaito the win, since he [i]does[/i] deserve it. I mean, he already won once, though he cancelled it due to Haruto's condition worsening.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 It also helps solidify what the characters' current skill levels are. [spoiler=elaboration] Yuma started the series as a pathetically poor Duelist with dreams of becoming better. When he first Dueled Shark, he was horrendously outmatched, even before Shark brought out a Number. With Astral's help, and an instinctive (and impulsive) strategy, Yuma won that Duel. For the next several episodes, he was shown to still be a terrible player, but may have been gradually improving, and Astral's advice was helping him win. Several characters early on continued to criticize this, which is why Yuma went to face Shark. Again outmatched, he used Hope, but still lost, which taught him a few lessons, which he applied in the Tag Duel with Shark. Then Kaito is introduced, and positively destroys Yuma in a Duel, only sparing his soul due to Kaito's devotion to Haruto and a slightly contrived occurrence. The one thing I do like about this was almost identical to what I liked about the first Yusei vs Kiryu Duel: It was 100% clear that the protagonist had been defeated, and that the only reason it was cancelled was because defeat would have fatal consequences. Since then, Kaito was considered the greatest threat to Yuma, evidenced by Astral's absolute fear of Kaito (especially obvious when Jin got involved). Kaito's skill was further demonstrated by his Duel with Shark, who was already shown to be Yuma's unquestionable superior, despite their first Duel result. Kaito picked up on Shark's strategy and set it off in a way that doomed Shark instead. Then Kaito Duels Astral. We've been shown and told that Astral is a skilled strategist able to adapt to many tough situations with subpar cards (let's face it, he never seems to care that Yuma's Deck is awful, and wields the same build against Kaito with no problem). Astral explicitly acknowledges that Kaito's skill exceeds his own, and that Kaito is the strongest Duelist he knows. To add to this, Kaito easily reads all of Astral's plays and counters them, mocking Astral throughout. The only reason he didn't win was because Yuma and Astral unlocked Zexal, yet the Duel still ended in a draw. Yuma viewed Kaito as his ultimate adversary, and the biggest threat of the WDC. Kaito privately considered Astral to be his greatest adversary. Unfortunately, the Tag Duel with Yuma and Kaito vs III and IV did hurt Kaito's credibility a bit in favor of making III and IV themselves seem significantly powerful and while it could be argued that IV's provocation was the main reason for this, Yuma had to save Kaito from defeat like 2 times, although amusingly, Kaito inflicted ALL the damage of the Duel that III and IV received, although this was only possible due to Neo Galaxy-Eyes. Yay. Next time Kaito Duels is against V, who...the writers evidently didnt care too much about, because they gave him tons of burn cards for the Duel Coaster, then pretty much only had him use Dyson Sphere and minimal Spells and Traps. In fact, V had like 4 cards in hand when he lost, which is ridiculous by most Yugioh Duel standards, especially considering how many Burn cards he was evidently running. Kaito's credibility is dashed a little because of how quickly V was beating him, and the aforementioned question about what cards V actually USES. Keep in mind that until the Kaito vs Astral Duel, Kaito had a perfect record. He had never taken damage onscreen (both Shark and Yuma failed to inflict any damage at all). Suddenly, he's taking huge damage all over the place. Then the Kaito vs Tron Duel was...well, a bit weird. Tron is supposed to be a really powerful opponent, but his Deck seems ridiculously incapable of being a threat compared to most opponents, yet it deals (as always with the Tron family vs Kaito) major damage early on. Number 69 is just broken beyond belief in the anime, which is why Tron wins. This is Kaito's first defeat. Against Dr. Faker, Shark and Yuma do most of the major plays, and Kaito just seems to follow their lead. I have a hard time thinking that Kaito would have had any chance against Number 53 or 92 without Yuma and Shark's convenient counters and/or combos. So by this time, it's really worth debating whether Kaito is at the same level of power he was originally shown to be, ie: reading all his opponent's moves and being able to counter them, the way he did against Yuma, Shark, and Astral. Every Duel against the Tron family showed HIM being read or getting emotionally unhinged and falling into a trap. Yuma has seemed to have improved significantly, but he's also the protagonist with the ability to pull Zexal Weapons out of nowhere with increasingly broken/situational effects (Hi Ultimate Shield), which is why he won the WDC. So yeah, last episode made Yuma's cards perfectly synch and demolish Kaito's strategy, and THIS episode showed that Kaito's skill is still superb. The Duel was absolutely epic, both players bringing out powerful combos and strategies and pushing the other one closer to defeat. It was anybody's game, although most bets would have been on Yuma, since he's the protagonist and the Kaito/Yuma rivalry has been set up for AGES with the implication that Yuma may finally have exceeded Kaito. Kaito defeating Yuma was unexpected, and epic as hell the way he did it, having both Galaxy-Eyes and Neo Galaxy-Eyes blast apart Number 39 and C39. The sort of stunned reaction of all the spectators was icing. And yes, my inner Galaxy-Eyes fanboy was thrilled, as you can tell by my first spoiler. In my eyes, this one episode made up for about half of the more anti-climactic matches, because it was just so good. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1348677007' post='6032515'] It also helps solidify what the characters' current skill levels are. Words about Kaito's percieved drop in ability and control of matches throughout the series. [/quote] Kinda happens to you when you go from being a 'heel/bad guy' to a 'face/good guy'. Especially someone as powerful as Kaito when they are then being used to put major villians like Tron over (sorry for continual use of wrestling phrases, hopefully they translate okay) as big players. Besides, would be pretty duell if he beat V and Faker without taking damage/being in full control still. Good guys dominating bad guys from the start or throughout just rarely happens (it should occasionally, but writers always take the same format of beat down beat down beat down beat down huge reversal from nowhere when down to 100 LP with a broken card). Also happened to Ryu/Zane, who I think is probably the closest predessor to Kaito in that regard, and several others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Season 2 doesn't look promising at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='God Machismo!!!!!' timestamp='1348855262' post='6033911'] Season 2 doesn't look promising at all. [/quote] I'm not a fan of any of the new character designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1348855437' post='6033914'] I'm not a fan of any of the new character designs. [/quote] The barian villain looks a bit like Aporia, which I honestly like and I want to see this story to its end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Hmm.... I'm unsure about it. Gilag looks stupid and I can't take seriously. Fuma, eh (noticed he's been removed from the Zexal II page). Rei, generic and adding nothing to an already clusterstuffed group of allies. Rio, could go either way. Just looked at the page. Apparently Tori, Tetsuo, Cathy and Takashi are all being retained for series II, not sure about Tokunosuke or Anna yet (sure Anna will probably reappear?) Half of those characters add nothing anyway, it's just getting too full of characters I have no reason to be interested in. Reception to first ep could be crucial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Rei- I'm calling it. This guy is going to be a HUGE antagonist later on. Gilag- I agree with Bahamut, he looks stupid and boring. Fuma- I think he's just goingt to be a one time villian. Rio- We'll see soon enough. I have a hunch she'll duel Yuma. Tokunsuke- I honestly could care less if he returns. Aside from giving Yuma Baby Tiragon, and help introduce Gauche and Droite, he's done absolutely nothing. Anna- I hope she returns. Lets not put Season 2 under the bus yet. Everyone thought the first season would suck, and look how it turned out. Also, I would like to put my theory of Yuma's friends being possessed by Numbers back on the table. You can't deny the fact it would be interesting to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Archbaron Thor the Just' timestamp='1348855577' post='6033915'] The barian villain looks a bit like Aporia, which I honestly like and I want to see this story to its end. [/quote] Oh I plan to keep watching. Its just nobody really stands out, meaning I'm probably going into this season with a bad attitude. Although I'm hoping Rio will at least be interesting for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1348858806' post='6033948'] Rei- I'm calling it. This guy is going to be a HUGE antagonist later on. Lets not put Season 2 under the bus yet. Everyone thought the first season would suck, and look how it turned out. Also, I would like to put my theory of Yuma's friends being possessed by Numbers back on the table. You can't deny the fact it would be interesting to see. [/quote] Barian to possess similar to Marcel/Yubel? The name 'zero' does suggest it. I'd have happily seen Takashi and Cathy dropped as well as Tokunosuke, although Tetsuo can stay (and Kotori has to, I suppose). Why'd there have to be so many T's there? Seriously? It's like Rei and Rio, although obviously she had been named a while ago and Rei actually means something significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 I know that we know nothing of this guy, but I'll show you guys anyway: [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Durbe"]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Durbe[/url] RUM - Barian Force looks like an interesting card, can't wait to see it in action. On the topic on who should be dropped in Zexal II, I don't think anyone will be dropped, but I also think Tonunosuke should be dropped because he hasn't done alot since he was introduced. The new characters: Rei: At the moment, he looks like he'll do anything new for the group. Rio: I hope she'll be an interesting character, I'm sure she'll be important at some point. Gilag: He looks stupid. Fuma: At the moment, he looks like a one-tiem villain, but that depends on his role when we see it. [quote name='Majestic Star Bahamut' timestamp='1348856672' post='6033924'] Just looked at the page. Apparently Tori, Tetsuo, Cathy and Takashi are all being retained for series II, not sure about Tokunosuke or Anna yet (sure Anna will probably reappear?) Half of those characters add nothing anyway, it's just getting too full of characters I have no reason to be interested in. [/quote] Tonunosuke will be there because he was in the preview for the first episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='~British Soul~' timestamp='1348953361' post='6034754'] I know that we know nothing of this guy, but I'll show you guys anyway: [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Durbe"]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Durbe[/url] On the topic on who should return for Zexal II, Other than Yuma, Kaito, Shark and Kotori obvs, I think Tetsuo will return, I think that Cathy and Takashi might return, but I don't think Tonunosuke will return. [/quote] The shots we've got of him made him look a heck of a lot like Astral, so he might be the Astral World messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='Archbaron Thor the Just' timestamp='1348953903' post='6034762'] The shots we've got of him made him look a heck of a lot like Astral, so he might be the Astral World messenger. [/quote] I think he looks more like a messenger from Barian world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='~British Soul~' timestamp='1348954430' post='6034770'] I think he looks more like a messenger from Barian world. [/quote] Could be either, considering we know that the Astral world will be involved more this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='Archbaron Thor the Just' timestamp='1348954649' post='6034771'] Could be either, considering we know that the Astral world will be involved more this time. [/quote] I'm leaning more towards him being from the Barian world tbch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Durbe on looks alone could go either way, like Vizor when he first appeared. On wikia too more newb classmates of Yuma's are listed; Katagiri and School Council President. Right... So seriously every other time Yuma duels we're going to have to have a crowd of Kotori, Tetsuo, Takashi, Cathy, Tokonosuke, Rei and Rio + any others all standing there looking helpless and rotating between lines. Ugh? Can see where people are coming from on Fuma. He doesn't look anything special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 [quote name='Majestic Star Bahamut' timestamp='1348979889' post='6034969'] Durbe on looks alone could go either way, like Vizor when he first appeared. On wikia too more newb classmates of Yuma's are listed; Katagiri and School Council President. Right... So seriously every other time Yuma duels we're going to have to have a crowd of Kotori, Tetsuo, Takashi, Cathy, Tokonosuke, Rei and Rio + any others all standing there looking helpless and rotating between lines. Ugh? Can see where people are coming from on Fuma. He doesn't look anything special. [/quote] True. I will agree. Also, I heard a rumor that Fuma may have a Number. Which would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1349010707' post='6035079'] True. I will agree. Also, I heard a rumor that Fuma may have a Number. Which would be great. [/quote] Of course he will, season opener to promote. It'll probably be an absolutely bonkers one. Just looking at some of the images of new characters, you don't suppose they're going to a stupid Anti-Numbers Hunters mirrored group are you. Rei vs Yuma Gilag vs Tetsuo School Council Pres vs Takashi Katagiri vs Cathy ???? vs Tokunosuke ???? vs Kotori. To face each other on the sidelines at shouting "Rei!" "Yuma!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Just watched ep 72 subbed. Highs and lows. Droite and Gauche just appeared for no reason or explanation whatsoever. Hi guys, we're just gonna stand here and watch, don't mind us. It's good they're there just would have been nice if Gauche said 'heard there was a duel on can't miss this' or something. I dunno, maybe he did unsubbed. The revelation that Kotori can see Astral now after the experience with Faker was just whut? So you're just going to mention that in passing like it's nothing? WTF? Duelling was pretty nice. Enjoyed Kaito and Astral's heart to heart. Tron and family appearing the end was also a bit whut? I mean it was nice and all, the whole feel of the episode is nice, but that's twice Tron's popped up after being sucked into a different dimension now. Kinda makes previous events a bit meaningless doing that. Oh, and something else that I really enjoyed: Kaito bringing his whistling gimmick back. Loved his entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 the thing I found most annoying was the fact that all Droite did was stand around and say but one word; 'Kaito', four times during the whole duel and nothing more. I mean it's like they're just reusing old voices and the voice actor herself is inactive.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Episode 73: Yuma loses?! But he's the hero. The hero's not supposed to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 [quote name='Astro Dude' timestamp='1349109809' post='6035672'] Episode 73: Yuma loses?! But he's the hero. The hero's not supposed to lose. [/quote] You really haven't been paying attention all season, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 [quote name='Astro Dude' timestamp='1349109809' post='6035672'] Episode 73: Yuma loses?! But he's the hero. The hero's not supposed to lose. [/quote] I know it's brilliant isn't it? That's the only reason I'm watching these episodes. Now we just need him to lose an actual meaningful duel against a major antagonist. I had hoped he would lose the season two opener somehow, but severely doubt he'll lose two on the spin, and Fuma's build up doesn't seem to be huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1349111909' post='6035680'] You really haven't been paying attention all season, have you? [/quote] Unless it's the dub, I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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