Dementuo Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 [quote name='Thor the Just' timestamp='1345318300' post='6010233'] Suddenly the Wily parallels seem more applicable. [/quote] They were applicable from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Look what i just found: [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120820110409/yugioh/images/thumb/c/c4/Zexal68Preview-NewNumber.jpg/300px-Zexal68Preview-NewNumber.jpg[/img] A NEW Number! This one is Number 66 (you can just about make out the 66 in the middle at the top), and will be used by Faker. I'm wondering if this is one of the unseen Numbers that Kaito had. EDIT: Episode 74: [b]"Yuma awakens! The ZEXAL that Exceeds even the Ultimate!! [/b](Will air on the same day as Episode 73) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 So Faker is using 3 Numbers now? Instead of just the two? How intresting. Plus, now Faker is a cyborg... I don't even.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 I can't imagine why Dr. Faker needs to transform into a robot in order to play a card game. At least things like Photon Mode didnt drastically alter the person's body. And it seems that Yuma DID have Number 32, considering that Astral left Yuma both Number 39 and Number 32. And Dr. Faker did manage to capture Number 39 with the others, as you can see it floating in the Sphere Field with the other Numbers (some of which are conveniently facing away from us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Also, 15, 40, and 88 showed up in there, too. I facepalmed earlier this week cause the wiki had a somewhat blurry anime version of 88 and dubbed it "Unknown Number Card". (null) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1345790577' post='6011847'] Also, 15, 40, and 88 showed up in there, too. [/quote] Really? I hadn't noticed. And if Shark hadn't gotten them, only to lose them to Yuma, Tron at least would have reclaimed them from IV, so that still fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 [quote]I can't imagine why Dr. Faker needs to transform into a robot in order to play a card game. At least things like Photon Mode didnt drastically alter the person's body.[/quote] Perhaps Dr Faker wasn't qualified to use Photon Mode. He is afterall, a scientist and not a combatant or whatever you wanna call it. He never intended to play card games, and the robot thing might've just been something hastily put together with the only goal of using the Numbers. Who knows? Perhaps he had to sacrifice his own body as well during the portal to the Balian World along with Kazuma and Byron, and he's simply using a new body now with high offensive force. But I'm just wildly guessing. We might find out in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 [quote name='~British Soul~' timestamp='1345466163' post='6011430'] Look what i just found: [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120820110409/yugioh/images/thumb/c/c4/Zexal68Preview-NewNumber.jpg/300px-Zexal68Preview-NewNumber.jpg[/img] A NEW Number! This one is Number 66 [/quote] I admit i was wrong, this thing is actually Number 53. (I don't know why i assumed it was Number 66 lol) [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1345790577' post='6011847'] Also, 15, 40, and 88 showed up in there, too. I facepalmed earlier this week cause the wiki had a somewhat blurry anime version of 88 and dubbed it "Unknown Number Card". [/quote] I saw that blurry image too, I assumed it was Number 88 because i saw the 8 stars on the card, i facepalm'd when my earlier theory got pooped on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 I can't help but wonder. Was Astral not able to absorb Shark Drake Vice? I would think Shark would use Chaos Number 32 against Dr. Faker, so if Astral did absorb it, wouldn't he have gave it to Yuma as well? Same with Hope Ray? Its almost a given its going to be summoned, so are Chaos Numbers unaffected by the Sphere Field or something? I would have prefered that Astral should have given Yuma Revise instead of Shark Drake. On a side note, do you think Yuma and Kaito will split the Numbers 2 ways when they beat Faker? Yuma taking his own Numbers and Tron's, while Kaito takes his own Numbers and Faker's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 We dont really know how the Chaos Numbers work in terms of passing them on. Since Shark Drake had bonded with Shark's soul, maybe only Shark can use its Chaos form, and in the same vein, only Yuma/Astral can use Utopia Ray. Also, do Chaos Numbers even count as the Numbers to collect? It seems like Tron and Astral literally are creating entirely new cards that evolve from a Number, but aren't pieces of Astral's memory or needed for the Sphere Field Cannon. Also, Chaos Number 32 is formed from a vengeful heart and its corruption almost took over Yuma when he controlled it briefly, so I can't imagine that Astral would deliberately give Yuma Chaos Number 32, even if he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 The Chaos Numbers seem to materialize upon use and not before, so Weiss probably is Shark-only and not collectible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Well seeing as 67 still isn't subbed, I've watched it raw. Didn't really understand as much of what was going on card effect wise despite prior knowledge, but duel seemed nice. Lion Arms was just nuts though (although given summoning conditions has a license to be). Could just imagine Tron "What the? I'm the antagonist here, I'm supposed to be the one with the ridiculously broken and crazy card effects!?!" Speaking of Tron, his face turn was handled nicely in that he turned because Yuma saved him despite everything, rather than just because of the duel, then him dying to save Yuma in effect. And what happened with the trap with Sphere Field was also kind of clever (although Yuma managed to keep Hope for no good reason other than cuz Hope, god its worse than Yusei). Droite and Gauche are clearly finished in terms of involvement seeing as they couldn't be bothered to spend 2 seconds showing her soul coming back from Tron. Not going to attempt to watch 68 raw due to the amount of talking. As for robo Faker, what happened to hench Faker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I think its probably his, 'Suit for ruling the world.' And Yuma was always going to keep Hope, becuase its his card. If Astral would save anything, then he would save Hope. I think Tron had the best character show off for a while now. It was handled half decently compared to other efforts. So kudos there. Oh, and how they get heartland out of the way seems... lazy. No big dramatic thing, just that. Oh well can't have everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 [quote name='Majestic Star Bahamut' timestamp='1345922852' post='6012740'] Well seeing as 67 still isn't subbed, I've watched it raw. Didn't really understand as much of what was going on card effect wise despite prior knowledge, but duel seemed nice. Lion Arms was just nuts though (although given summoning conditions has a license to be). Could just imagine Tron "What the? I'm the antagonist here, I'm supposed to be the one with the ridiculously broken and crazy card effects!?!" Speaking of Tron, his face turn was handled nicely in that he turned because Yuma saved him despite everything, rather than just because of the duel, then him dying to save Yuma in effect. And what happened with the trap with Sphere Field was also kind of clever (although Yuma managed to keep Hope for no good reason other than cuz Hope, god its worse than Yusei). Droite and Gauche are clearly finished in terms of involvement seeing as they couldn't be bothered to spend 2 seconds showing her soul coming back from Tron. Not going to attempt to watch 68 raw due to the amount of talking. As for robo Faker, what happened to hench Faker? [/quote] Since nothing actually happens, you can probably understand it just fine. I do have a couple of points I wanted to talk about involving the end of the duel. First, Tron knew what the Sphere Field was when it was activated. Which would imply he knew what would happen at the end of the duel...but he didn't seem prepared for it at all. Was he unable to protect himself because he lost the duel/his Numbers were absorbed (they shouldn't have been, due to his Crest)/Coat of Arms was destroyed? Unrelatedly, why does Coat of Arms transform into a new shape [i]every single[/i] time it uses its destruction effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 [quote] First, Tron knew what the Sphere Field was when it was activated. Which would imply he knew what would happen at the end of the duel...but he didn't seem prepared for it at all. Was he unable to protect himself because he lost the duel/his Numbers were absorbed (they shouldn't have been, due to his Crest)/Coat of Arms was destroyed?[/quote] That's likely. They should've been safe due to his Crest, but Yuma shattered it, and that was something nobody had been expecting. [quote] Unrelatedly, why does Coat of Arms transform into a new shape [i]every single[/i] time it uses its destruction effect?[/quote] It might mean that Coat of Arms is an unstable Number. I mean, they adopt different shapes depending on their user, the most blatant example being Galaxy Queen. Maybe Coat of Arms is something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 [quote name='Merciful Idiot' timestamp='1345952433' post='6013023'] It might mean that Coat of Arms is an unstable Number. I mean, they adopt different shapes depending on their user, the most blatant example being Galaxy Queen. Maybe Coat of Arms is something like that. [/quote] The way I see it, we have 5 good Numbers, and at least 4 evil/crazy/unstable Numbers Good Hope- Obviously Galaxy Queen- Born from Fuya's desire to make his mom happy, and the fact he just wanted her love Tera-Byte- Kitanno just wanted people to enjoy his giant virtual reality Bugman Lucky Stripe- Doesn't possesse its owners, instead gives them crazy good luck Shamoji Soldier ( Manga )- Didn't seem to possesse its owner, it actually made him a better chef Compared to other Numbers, 83 and 34 were born from good intentions. Evil/Crazy/Unstable Black Mist- Duh Atlanthal- Enough said Coat of Arms- If what your saying is true, then yeah. It fits even more since its the ace Number of a Big Bad Shark Drake ( Maybe )- Really was just the corruption for Shark. Whether that counts as it being evil or not is your call Also, lolwikia lists Tron and Mr. Heartland as dead. [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_deaths"]http://yugioh.wikia..../List_of_deaths[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 It was kind of a cheap way of getting Heartland out of the way. Umm.... I suppose that it would be C32 more than normal 32. Since C32 was taking over Yuma as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Considering 'nothing happens' I'm getting a lot of freaking spoilers about this episode Feel even less inclined to watch if Heartland's exit is as underwhelming as people say. Let's face it, the writers don't even know themselves what the Numbers are in terms of having a good/bad nature or whether they influence their owners or their owners influence them or whether they're all just plain outright EEE-VIL (except Hope) , and they've swerved so many times, how are we supposed to know? Think I prefered the original theory, when they amplified people's own desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 It just occurred to me that Haruto seemed to have his powers back in this episode because Tron returned his soul. Also, did anyone else notice the 2 most evil Numbers...are Number 69 and 96? Mr. Heartland's exit was pathetically anticlimactic. I was personally voting for Kaito to Photon Hand him or something, considering how badly he seems to despise the guy whenever they're meeting. As a side note, Hope WAS taken by the Sphere Field. I don't think Tron knew the Sphere Field was a trap, or if he did, yes, he undoubtedly expected his crest to protect him, since he tried to use it when he realized it was stealing his Numbers (I'm pretty sure he said "I won't let you, Faker!" (or words to that effect) when using the crest, only for it to fail (probably due to losing the Duel after using Coat of Arms). I assume he suffers the same flaw in his crest's power that III, IV, and V did. I also liked how Tron's "reversion" was handled. He didnt actually seem to change his personality, (looking at you, IV), but was definitely moved by the fact Yuma chose to save him, despite how evil he had been acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Number 53 is a Rank 5 (needing 3 materials) with 100 ATK/DEF [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/f/f3/Number53FalseSkeletalGodHearteartH-JP-ZX-NC.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 ....Who'd summon that? Well, what is it's effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Merciful Idiot' timestamp='1346066907' post='6013852'] ....Who'd summon that? [/quote] Someone crazy like Dr. Faker? Also, it seems Faker uses Garbage cards. No, thats what they're called, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 100/100 for a 3 Material Rank 5. It better have a damn good effect. Rank 5s are already held to a high standard due to Volcasaurus and Tiras. Garbage cards? This better not become another archetype in RL. They've got so many half-archetypes in Zexal already that need support to be relevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Not long after i saw Number 53, i noticed that its rank and the amount of materials it needs makes sense for its Number: (Rank [b]5[/b] needing [b]3 [/b]materials) Dr. Faker uses Garbage cards? seriously? if they are released IRL (in Cosmo Blazar), they better not be garbage (no pun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Number_53:_False_Skeletal_God,_Heart-eartH O_O dat effect..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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