Northern Sage Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 So, according to the wiki preview, Kite will apparently summon Number 9 in his duel against Tron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Been out for a few weeks, only watched episode 61. Should I watch 60 as well, or is there nothing of plot-importance in that one? And is 62 out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 [quote name='∂materasu' timestamp='1341237654' post='5965412'] So, according to the wiki preview, Kite will apparently summon Number 9 in his duel against Tron. [/quote] What? No way. I can see him losing Galaxy Eyes early as Tron knows about it, then summoning a Number, then getting Galaxy Eyes back for Neo Galaxy, but I'd have thought it would be a new Number. Especially since what I said about Tron a sentence ago, and Dyson Sphere. [quote name='Dementuo Black Sun' timestamp='1341250663' post='5965509'] Been out for a few weeks, only watched episode 61. Should I watch 60 as well, or is there nothing of plot-importance in that one? And is 62 out yet? [/quote] Ep 60 is probably of major importance, but we won't really know til its subbed? Presumably they won't sub 61 until 60 is done, and they'll all come out in one lump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 http://www.anime44.com/yu-gi-oh-zexal-episode-62 That's a strange amount of anti-Shark Drake cards you've got there, Yuma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Episode 60 is subbed. 61 isnt yet. Watched 62...WOW, way to make it an anti-climax ending, Shark. [spoiler=comments] I'm pleased that Yuma didnt use Chaos Number 39 against Shark Drake Vice, since that'd be too obvious. However, I'm disappointed that while we saw that controlling Shark Drake Vice actually put a "Number aura" around Yuma, the Number wasn't actually attempting to possess him the way other Numbers and Shark Drake itself have, nor was it affecting him mentally that we can tell. It just seemed to be hurting him. With the buildup a few episodes ago with Tron taunting Yuma about creating a darkness in his heart, I was hoping we'd actually get something out of Yuma controlling Shark Drake Vice, even flashes of something confirming that Yuma does have a darkness he's struggling against. But no, it just seemed to cause him pain. He was having no trouble listening to Astral. The only way Shark could have made the ending more anti-climactic is if he outright surrendered at that point, instead of using an effect that took out his LP. I'm sure there's a nice reasoning behind it, but it just feels off. Couldn't Shark Drake Vice just attack directly for game, but no one seemed to be aware of that. I didnt catch exactly what Tron's Trap would do (such as whether it would force its own activation or something), just that if it was used, Hope would be destroyed and Yuma would take 2500 damage or something. [/spoiler] HOW and WHY would Kaito bring out Number 9? There's no reason to use Number 9 instead of A) Neo Galaxy-Eyes/Galaxy-Eyes normal B ) A Number we haven't actually seen yet that you have. I dont even see Kaito wanting to use Dyson Sphere's effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 He might have wanted to finish the duel as fast as possible after finding out Number 32 had possessed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Just attempted to watch ep 60 of Zexal subbed, until the subs just stopped about 6 minutes in. Le bolleaux. Really depends on how that episode goes as to how much interest I rediscover in the series. I'm watching it solely for purposes of fanfic motivation now (and its not working). Btw; I watched an ep of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl the other morning (was killing time before going on this first aid course and morning tv sucks) and think its worth bringing up. Was the final episode where Ash and co battle Team Galactic. Cyrus gets Dialga and Palkia and they start creating this new world that in turn is destroying the current one and of course Ash and co stop them. The portal to this other world is starting to close in on itself and Team Galactic know they've failed... but what does the head honcho Cyrus do? Give up and try to seek forgiveness? Hell no, he rambles on about ruling his new world and walks into the portal to this other world, before it collapses and he's gone. YGO, please take note and have Tron/Faker/both do one thing: stay as a baddie til the very end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 The subs do stop partway in, but they resume about 30 seconds later. They glitched or whatever during the trashcan scene, but the next scene, they're good again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1341300623' post='5966142'] [spoiler=comments] The only way Shark could have made the ending more anti-climactic is if he outright surrendered at that point, instead of using an effect that took out his LP. I'm sure there's a nice reasoning behind it, but it just feels off. [i]Couldn't Shark Drake Vice just attack directly for game, but no one seemed to be aware of that. [/i] [b]No, it couldn't have, actually. Yuma's trap prevented Shark Drake Vice from attacking. The card was meant purely to take the Number's hold off of Shark (And most likely Tron's possession along with it, since it seemed to be linked to Shark Drake Vice somehow).[/b] I didnt catch exactly what Tron's Trap would do (such as whether it would force its own activation or something), just that if it was used, Hope would be destroyed and Yuma would take 2500 damage or something. [/spoiler] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Gone back and watched ep 60, so apologies for being slow and possibly repeating what others have said... but... ... that was absolute garbage. I enjoyed the conflict Yuma suffered after his scene with Haruto, and the feeling of 'I can only save Haruto or Astral, which one?' That was nice. But then Doctor Faker turned up with his oversized hologram... and absolutely trainwrecked it. [spoiler=The big bad evil plan is...]Astral only has to ask, and Faker is all to happy to tell that he has struck a deal with the Valian World. If he destroys the Astral World, then they will give to him the ultimate power to rule over the Human World. .... Yeah. That's it. .... That is literally it. No moral dilemma anymore of 'I must make sacrifices to save us from the Astral World'. It's all just 'I'm happily making sacrifices for my own lust for world domination'. Again. Come on. Faker was introduced 47 episodes ago. That's almost a year this has been built up for, that they've had to plan this storyline. Konami, after a year of build up, [i]this[/i] is the best you can come with? Just a crazy dude wants world domination? That's it? I know; Zexal is aimed at the age 10-14 market so they can't have the story be too complex, but still that being your only major driving force behind a baddie whose had a year's worth of build up is not good enough. IMHO a massive, massive letdown. Not even the prospect of the potential entry of a third villian, an envoy of the Valian World who promised Faker this power (and will backstab him if by some miracle he actually gets on the verge of destroying Astral World) sent over when Faker fails to destroy Astral World himself can excite me, because we've already got two villians and one has just lost all my interest (plus the whole Z-One fiasco). Was also let down by Tron in this episode. He looks on the hunt for Numbers again, but the way he trapped Shark so easily... and the way everything has to be Tron's direct doing and not Shark's own darkness. Ugh.[/spoiler] Like I said I enjoyed the scene mentioned above the spoiler, and I sort of enjoyed the Dance Dance YGO Revolution thing in a way which has probably lost me all credibility (I like seeing new things alright, hence my dislike of the way this plots going now). But that episode was just... ugh... I still have Hope. Maybe the subber messed up his translations and Faker's plan might actually be somewhat interesting afterall... right? Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 ...The series had such great buildup, but WHY IS EVERYTHING SUDDENLY GETTING SO ANTICLIMATIC?!?!? Jeez... you had potential, ZeXal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I agree that Dr. Faker's plan absolutely sucks in terms of story. It's possibly the most cliche and bland villain goal ever, and made worse by how everyone's lives are supposed to have been severely damaged by Dr. Faker's motives. HOWEVER, this is merely the surface of the issue at hand. Assuming the writers don't screw up and make it another anti-climax, there's a lot more meat to the plan than this. Let's glance at it again. - Astral's memories have been broken into the Number cards. WHY is the memory fragmented like this? How did his memory get lost? A consequence of coming to the world, or is him coming to the world a necessary step to regain his memory that was lost by other means? - Dr. Faker is aware of Astral and the Numbers. This is likely because of what he was told by the Valian World. - Number 96 holds the memory of the world being destroyed. Number 96 also told Astral his reason for existing is to destroy the human world. Suddenly, Dr. Faker's belief that destroying the Astral World is the only way to save the human world seems logical, although there's no denying that he does have a lust for personal power. - The Tron family wants revenge for Dr. Faker sacrificing their father for his own goals. However, if Dr. Faker struck a deal with the Valian World...Tron said explicitly that the Valian World saved him and gave him powers. But Tron doesn't really care about Astral aside from him being an adversary. Tron's goal seems to be to take down Dr. Faker. That means that the Valian World seems to be playing two sides, and putting them in direct conflict with themselves. If the Valian World wants to destroy the Astral World, they have Dr. Faker trying to collect the Numbers for that purpose. Yet they also have Tron, who was directly betrayed by Dr. Faker, and wants to stop him. So maybe the Valian World has multiple agendas, or they just want multiple people with the same goal on their side. Tron or Faker would have to face Astral one way or the other, so 2 people on their side, willing to fulfill that goal, is better than 1, even if one of the two desperately wants to sabotage the other. No comment on Shark and Tron because I thought that was stupid. It cheapened Shark so badly. Not because Tron took control of him and/or screwed him up. It made the Duel ridiculously weak for the first couple moves. Shark wasn't playing by his normal strategies or with his normal skill at all, and Yuma was owning him at first before Shark pulled off a combo to gain control. So I dont even consider that Duel a legit part of the Shark vs Yuma rivalry, because the first half was Shark playing as an emotionless, tactic-less player and Yuma being reasonably competent. Every other Duel they've had, Shark swiftly gained control, even if (in episode 2, anyway) he lost. Hell, in almost every other Duel, PERIOD, Shark played well. This was a deliberate change of style and it was acknowledged in-universe as Shark not playing nearly his best. And then Shark made the Duel end in an anti-climactic way. It was good in terms of a character development thing, but because the first half of the Duel was so sloppy, it just looks dumb. Hopefully, Kaito vs Tron will at least be cool, but it's almost certain Kaito loses, which STILL leaves me wondering how the hell the Kaito vs Yuma/Astral rivalry is going to be settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 [quote] Hopefully, Kaito vs Tron will at least be cool- [/quote] Or it'll end up like the duel with V. Lots of plot, but suckish card game moves. Either way, I guess you're right. The Valian World seems interesting. Also, I'm fully certain that Astral came to destroy the world, and that his memories split into 99ish pieces was meant to delay him.... And now I'm going to rant. It's like the whole world is covered in evil with antagonists on all sides. On one hand we have the split memories of Astral, all of which are evil and amplify as well as corrupting their user's emotions, and all but Utopia are blatantly evil, [i][b]ninety-nine[/b][/i] in total. On another, we have powerful Photon-based people (Kaito, Gauche, etc...) backed up by a powerful organization, which also happens to run all of Heartland. And on another we have (or had) a bunch of Crest-aided brothers led by a powerful distortion from the Valian World... And what's the only thing standing in their way? An organization created to rebel against them, perhaps? Or perhaps even just a small band of heroes? No. One boy. Who has sucked at the game ever since he started off, and only began winning after the dueling specter Astral appeared into his life. And even if so, even if they're backed up by ZeXal Power...seriously? Okay, I'm done. Unlike the others, I actually find Kaito summoning Dyson Sphere to be interesting, though I wonder how he'll summon it. It's also a shame we still aren't getting to see any of his other Numbers...he has like more than thirteen! And we've only seen four-ish! Would it hurt to showcase at least, I dunno...the [i]rest[/i]? He's been through three plot-relevant duels since the one with Shark, where he introduced Number 30...and since then he hasn't introduced a single Number. I dunno, just me. I hope the writers won't screw up whatever hope I have remaining of this series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Lets not give up on Zexal yet. Like evilfusion said, there's a lot we don't know. I'm not thrilled by Dr. Faker wanting world domination, but I'm far from surprised. Lets not forgot we know very little about the Vallian and Astral Worlds. I have a few theories. Tron has something like Photon Hand and he will use it on Kaito. Utopia, Galaxy Queen, Tera-Byte, and Lucky Stripe are the currently the only Numbers born from good intentions. Those 4 and other Numbers will battle Black Mist and the Numbers born from evil intentions. Mr. Heartland has a Number, but keeps it hidden somewhere so Kaito doesn't find out, since Kaito wouldn't think twice about using Photon Hand on him. When III, IV, and V wake up, they will duel against Tron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Nothing in the above posts has made me feel any better about where Zexal is going. Gonna skip Yuma vs Shark because of the comments made by evilfusion makes me less keen on it than I already was, and tbh I think I'll skip Kaito vs Tron as well. I'm going to watch Tron vs Yuma only (and I do mean only) for when Tron finally removes his mask... My continued interest in the series will go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 I'm mad. Gogogo Ghost blows chunks. It misses the timing when SS'd with Giant, it's a DARK Zombie, so it not only clashes with Block Golem's effect since it's a DARK, it's not a Block Golem target since it's a Zombie. Golden Form Gogogo Golem looks friggin awesome. Wish it was an Xyz, and not just a Golem beefed up by a Spell. This Yuma vs. Shark duel reminds me of Jaden vs. Chazz in season 2 where Chazz is under evil influence and Jaden used Chazz's new boss during the last phase of the game. Except, Chazz went out with awesomeness by nuking his boss with the Ojamas. Did anyone notice the lack of sound effects when the AR stuff shut down at the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garthfunkle Vii Backwards Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 katio only going to summon a number when he needs its and a certain one that would help in the duel hes currently in .... like why would he summon number 30 when he was 2-3 monster with high atk and he only has 2100lp or less ? OR hes really cocky kind of guy maybe even a tad sadist willing to go though the effort to just dish out more pain and or making the current status of the duel worse for his opponent just to seem em break down in tears knowing their soul is about to be taken from them lolz on that its not yugioh unless souls are on the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Herman The German' timestamp='1341819766' post='5971563'] katio only going to summon a number when he needs its and a certain one that would help in the duel hes currently in .... like why would he summon number 30 when he was 2-3 monster with high atk and he only has 2100lp or less ? OR hes really cocky kind of guy maybe even a tad sadist willing to go though the effort to just dish out more pain and or making the current status of the duel worse for his opponent just to seem em break down in tears knowing their soul is about to be taken from them lolz on that its not yugioh unless souls are on the line [/quote] evilfusion, I think you should ban this guy. All his posts are spam, and besides, he definitely hasn't watched a single episode featuring Kaito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Herman The German' timestamp='1341819766' post='5971563'] katio only going to summon a number when he needs its and a certain one that would help in the duel hes currently in .... like why would he summon number 30 when he was 2-3 monster with high atk and he only has 2100lp or less ? OR hes really cocky kind of guy maybe even a tad sadist willing to go though the effort to just dish out more pain and or making the current status of the duel worse for his opponent just to seem em break down in tears knowing their soul is about to be taken from them lolz on that its not yugioh unless souls are on the line [/quote] What the hell are you talking about? Certainly not Kaito, unless you're disturbingly misinformed about his character and Dueling style. Kaito has only used Numbers 10, 20, and 30 in his on-screen Duels. 10 and 20 were Summoned in his first turn in episode 13 against Yuma. There was no reason for doing so other than potentially to show off or pose an overwhelming threat to another Number user. He Tributed them both in the following turn for Galaxy-Eyes. He used Acid Golem because he predicted Shark would try to steal it from him. He not only had a Spell to make Acid Golem worthless, but he also put down an unknown and never revealed Trap. And he's confident as hell most of the time, but not quite cocky. Until his Duel with Astral in episode 23/24, he never took damage onscreen. He's also far from sadistic most of the time, and actually AVOIDS telling his opponents their souls are being wagered. The only reason Yuma found out was because Orbital blurted it out. The only other opponents who seemed aware of this fate was III and IV, and they obviously would know Kaito's methods, considering their connection to Dr. Faker. No comment on how III, IV, and V inflicted a lot of damage easily to him, and he consistently has been losing his cool in those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote] He used Acid Golem because he predicted Shark would try to steal it from him [/quote] He did not predict. That would be too coincidental. He simply emphasized on Shark's silly mistake of taking a 3000-ATK beater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [spoiler=spoilers] When Tron removes his mask, Haruto's face is revealed and when he pinches his face, Haruto feels the pain [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120709142414/yugioh/images/f/f5/Hartron.png[/img] didn't see that one coming, although looking at Tron with the mask and Haruto's face, it does kinda make sense (they're even the same height) i still believe that isn't Tron's actual face [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Merciful Idiot' timestamp='1341847940' post='5971811'] He did not predict. That would be too coincidental. He simply emphasized on Shark's silly mistake of taking a 3000-ATK beater. [/quote] He kinda did. In the ep we saw Shark thinking "go on, Xyz summon", then switched to Kaito looking suspious. He knew what was coming and even admitted he'd trapped him with his own trap. [quote name='~Dark Soul~' timestamp='1341854109' post='5971933'] [spoiler=spoilers] When Tron removes his mask, Haruto's face is revealed and when he pinches his face, Haruto feels the pain [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120709142414/yugioh/images/f/f5/Hartron.png[/img] didn't see that one coming, although looking at Tron with the mask and Haruto's face, it does kinda make sense (they're even the same height) i still believe that isn't Tron's actual face [/spoiler] [/quote] Well must admit when it said in the preview Tron was cheating I was like "ugh, really?" but that's a pretty good way of doing it. Also really happy that Kaito used V's Number against him, hope they used that point. Duel seems good from what I've read, moves look good although Photon Wing is just 'situational much?' Well duh. Hopefully two new Numbers next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Majestic Star Bahamut' timestamp='1341856636' post='5971967'] Well duh. [b]plus that kind of scenario has been done before[/b] Hopefully two new Numbers next week. [/quote] i probably wouldn't count on it. perhaps 1 new Number is possible, but i wouldn't be surprised if we see no new Numbers until Yuma vs Tron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='~Dark Soul~' timestamp='1341857395' post='5971984'] i probably wouldn't count on it. perhaps 1 new Number is possible, but i wouldn't be surprised if we see no new Numbers until Yuma vs Tron [/quote] Well Genome Heriter is already out, so its almost certain Tron will ping another one to win it (possibly spring Coat of Arms ahead of original billing to surprise everyone). That or take control of Neo Galaxy or something underhand. Duelist Pack Kaito needs 5 new cards remember. Yeah they have Neo Galaxy as the money card, but still there's GAOV for that. I think Kaito might ping on, dunno depends how the Haruto thing effects him and his duelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Majestic Star Bahamut' timestamp='1341857801' post='5971993'] Well Genome Heriter is already out, so its almost certain Tron will ping another one to win it (possibly spring Coat of Arms ahead of original billing to surprise everyone). That or take control of Neo Galaxy or something underhand. Duelist Pack Kaito needs 5 new cards remember. Yeah they have Neo Galaxy as the money card, but still there's GAOV for that. I think Kaito might ping on, dunno depends how the Haruto thing effects him and his duelling. [/quote] [s]how'd i guess you were gonna quote me[/s] i don't think Tron will spring out Coat of Arms ahead of billing, i just don't see that happening. (someone on the wikia does though as they edited the ep 64 page to include Number 69). although seeing as Number 8 as no Xyz Material remaining and Kaito is gonna summon NGEPD next episode anyway, Tron has to have something else up his sleeve to get rid of NGEPD and win as for the NGEPD thing, atm i see copies on ebay going for about £10, so it's not that much of a money card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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